I honestly couldn't tell you I found it on anandtech in a Parker speculation article. They specifically mentioned it was out of date but still a useful metric.
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SemiAccurate: Nintendo NX handheld to use Nvidia Tegra-based Soc
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I honestly couldn't tell you I found it on anandtech in a Parker speculation article. They specifically mentioned it was out of date but still a useful metric.
The NX will be the Shield Portable 2, Active cooling and huge battery included! Believe!
Cow Mengde
Banned
I'm more concerned about battery life than graphics. It's really stupid to see people tout the PSP and Vita as good handhelds with the kind of shitty battery life they have. One of the reasons I wasn't excited for the 3DS is because of the weak battery. I hope they don't fuck it up for the NX.
How well do you think it would work for a DX model? Like drop the small variants for the larger revisions.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I think decent battery life in handhelds is over.
The shield Portable had like 5-6 hours of Half-life 2. :/
How long was the 3DS' battery life?
Cow Mengde
Banned
Then I'm skipping the NX handheld if the battery life continues to degrade.
2 and a half to 4 hours. Not very good, but what was (still is) really bad was the standby battery life.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
If Nvidia is desperate for a console deal and they're willing to throw a lot of their support for a console "win," then that console is probably gonna kick some serious ass.
Sony and MS should watch themselves with their pleb AMD technology
Sony and MS should watch themselves with their pleb AMD technology
wonderful103
Member
Battery tech hasn't seen advancement. What *has* seen advancement has been standby battery life, and it's a fairly safe prediction to make that you'll see those improvements on the NX handheld.
What you probably won't see is what phones do - drastically choke performance to save on battery. You kinda can't do that where you're expected to deliver constant performance metrics.
Holy shit..didn't think it was that bad.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Vita's was pretty good for what it was and shat all over the 3ds battery for whatever reason. You could play P4G for longer than you could play a damn DS game on 3ds for whatever stupid reason.
Not Denver. They don't need a cpu that has to do binary translation to run any type of ARM code.
Mr. Pointy
Member
Tegra X1 runs 4x A57 + 4x A53 in big.LITTLE. But the handheld would probably only need A53s.
No idea what the console could be running.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Never forget that Nintendo primarily makes its decisions based on the Japanese market. In Japan, Nintendo must deliver on the handheld first and foremost. Consoles are not as popular there in recent times, so it makes sense for them to prioritize the handheld experience over the console one. The opposite is true in the west, but this is Nintendo so Japan will dictate what direction they take.
Cow Mengde
Banned
This is what concerns me. I know battery tech really hasn't evolved much. I travel and commute a lot, so I loved the DS. The games were amazing, and I never have to worry about it dying mid trip cause I forgot to charge it one night.
Pokemaniac
Member
Dual screen support on the 3DS (which is the more important data point here, since the console needs a second screen to have touch at all) is still widely used. I really don't think that's going away.
The Hermit
Member
you could say.... they are semiacurrate.
killatopak
Member
The price though?
GhostTrick
Banned
Yeah the 3DS was a case of stuffing a ton of technology in as tight a space as they could which left little room for Battery. If they are willing to adjust device size and layout they can address the battery issue somewhat.
Battery life should be a non issue. There are 2 very easy ways to fix it. 1. Make the battery removable so anyone who wants long portable gaming sessions can easily carry a spare battery or 2 sell an accessory that allows you to charge it portably ( case, spare battery ect)
Provided they can get 3 hours out of a full charge 90% of people won't care
MadOdorMachine
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If this is true, it's right in line with what I've been thinking ever since CES in January of 2013. When Nvidia announced "Project Shield" a little over a month after Wii U was released, I was shocked at how Nintendo mishandled the Wii U and 3DS. At the time, 3DS was in serious trouble IIRC. I think Nintendo dropped the ball by not understanding or being aware of emerging technology. Basically, I think the ideas between Wii U and Shield should have been merged. In other words, the Gamepad should have been it's own stand alone device that could also be used as a controller for a console. In addition to a console, Nintendo could also make a smaller handheld as well. In other words, they could have had a traditional sized handheld (ex. PS Vita) a tablet (ex. stand alone Gamepad) and console (ex. Shield TV) that were all a variation of the same architecture. This would alleviate a lot of their problems.
For the console, I hope Nintendo doesn't under-clock it. I hope they try to aim a little higher see if they can squeeze some more juice out if, but who knows.
What I hope is that Nintendo is thinking long term with the new architecture. It's possible they could not only solve the problem of dividing their resources, but also backwards compatibility. In theory, they could design a game with the lowest margin being the handheld but if played on a more powerful system, more graphical features could be unlocked. Maybe the console could play it at a higher framerate, resolution as well as additional shaders, etc. that are detected by the game depending on what system it's in. Probably just wishful thinking on my part, but this is why I don't expect it to be much more powerful than Wii U - especially for the handheld.
For the console, I hope Nintendo doesn't under-clock it. I hope they try to aim a little higher see if they can squeeze some more juice out if, but who knows.
What I hope is that Nintendo is thinking long term with the new architecture. It's possible they could not only solve the problem of dividing their resources, but also backwards compatibility. In theory, they could design a game with the lowest margin being the handheld but if played on a more powerful system, more graphical features could be unlocked. Maybe the console could play it at a higher framerate, resolution as well as additional shaders, etc. that are detected by the game depending on what system it's in. Probably just wishful thinking on my part, but this is why I don't expect it to be much more powerful than Wii U - especially for the handheld.
Zing! haha
I bought a Nyko extended battery that gave me 3x the battery life and improved grip. Playing time battery was never an issue after that. Standby battery still was an issue, though.
If they use Tegra X1 for the console, I don't see any reason why they would downclock the device.
James Scott
Banned
The specs are likely not final, but I can imagine it'll be <200 (probably $199.99)
Emily's: Console, no info beyond "is not x86 based, not more powerful than current gen".
Semiaccurate: Next Nintendo handheld is Tegra based.
Well...doesn't one news explain the other?
Also, I still find it hard to believe nVidia is still open to this deal. Was Shield just really not doing so well?
New news, new topic. Emily said nothing about Tegra. Semi Accurate said nothing about x86 or home console... hence two threads. It's (part of) the reason why other threads get locked.
Graphics Horse
Member
touch inputs don't necessarily require a screen. Making another pair of devices that resemble the 3DS and Wii U is the last thing they'll want to do imho.
civilstrife
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A K1 variant seems more likely for a handheld. I mean that is still PS3/360/Wii U level performance. I feel K1 is more likely due to its Quad Core nature. X1 is an Octo-Core and I really don't see a Handheld needing 8 Cores.
Of course if Nvidia do have an issue with an abundance of 20nm ordered then Nintendo might work with an X1 and tweak as needed.
Of course if Nvidia do have an issue with an abundance of 20nm ordered then Nintendo might work with an X1 and tweak as needed.
GhostTrick
Banned
A K1 with the GPU at 400mhz would be faster than PS3/360/U, especially at 540p.
Althought I think X1 is more likely considering how old K1 CPU is.
It's not just about the scenario Thraktor formulated. But the X1 is also a lot more efficient per watt, making it the better option for the handheld, unless i'm mistaken.
Vanillalite
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Nvidia's main problem with Tegra in phones is the modem. That's a non issue for the NX.
Pokemaniac
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They don't require a screen, but they work much better with one. A simple touch panel is nowhere near as intuitive.
X1 is 1.5 years old and will be more than 2 years old by the time NX releases
Pascal is ready and ships within days and 14/16 nm for small chips have been ready since September, going 28nm (20nm?) with a gpu architecture from 2014 today would be so bad but it would also be such a Nintendo thing to do.
Pascal is ready and ships within days and 14/16 nm for small chips have been ready since September, going 28nm (20nm?) with a gpu architecture from 2014 today would be so bad but it would also be such a Nintendo thing to do.
Going back to resolution for second, 540p is perfectly fine. Less to render, focus on other graphical things. Native 540P is sharp for a handheld and scales pretty smoothly. We'd also have a better CPU with better libraries and instructions. Though I hope, and should go with a better CPU this time around.
It's similar with the 3DS. The screen being smaller benefited the graphical look to many games (you just can't it in many unfortunately unless you have an emulator), with a few bottle necks here and there. n3DS got rid of the biggest bottleneck with the CPU though.
If Tegra winds up as a normal generation upgrade or significant jump, I can easily see many nice looking games regardless.
It's similar with the 3DS. The screen being smaller benefited the graphical look to many games (you just can't it in many unfortunately unless you have an emulator), with a few bottle necks here and there. n3DS got rid of the biggest bottleneck with the CPU though.
If Tegra winds up as a normal generation upgrade or significant jump, I can easily see many nice looking games regardless.