This is a pretty disingenuous argument. You can still follow the same formula and have towns, more dungeons, and have more enemies. I'm personally not rushing to conclusions because it is just the first area, but hopefully other areas having more to do and generally more variety. Not sure how many times I can kill a pack of 3 pig enemies.
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This is a pretty disingenuous argument. You can still follow the same formula and have towns, more dungeons, and have more enemies. I'm personally not rushing to conclusions because it is just the first area, but hopefully other areas having more to do and generally more variety. Not sure how many times I can kill a pack of 3 pig enemies.
kinda (half life 2 though)....But different....have they picked a metal object up and then shot it or propelled it forward as a projectile like the gravity gun?
And_Gignac
Member
No towns is perfect for me. The more "isolated nature with scattered ancient technology" vibe we can get, the better. It's like XCX but done right.
That sense is all the stronger when Link is using the Shiekah stone to survey enemies.
Diprosalic
Banned
So much yes to this in depth of solitude, atmosphere, and environmental storytelling. YES.
Japanmanx3
Member
Yeah...the more I see of this game the more I'm bothered by some things despite liking its direction in terms of the world and exploration.
They built a great new template for an open world Zelda game with what seems to be a cool loot system (that solves the problem of older games not providing rewards in chests beyond rupees mostly - which I haven't seen yet in this new game by the way), BUT all of this might be severly hampered by them still keeping to the 3D Zelda tradition of (A) making the combat piss easy because of non-menacing looking and behaving enemies (who barely attack or do damage) and by (B) re-using certain sound effects like the "item find" tingle that take away any semblence of sombreness or epicness that this world seems to want to exude.
The combat especially is problematic since it ruins quite a few of the other otherwise cool elements. Why be interested in searching for better weapons for instance - which seems to be a big drive behind the exploration - if even a simple branch is sufficient to kill most basic overworld enemies? And why implement a nice variety of tactical approaches to encounter like bomb or rock rolling from above or sneaking in using the stealth system if it is just as easy to run in an smash every enemy in sight? Most of the enemies seen so far barely attack or if they do attack, they barely take off any damage, which has been a big problem for me in every Zelda game since Ocarina of Time. A shame they did not want to take at least some inspiration from the Souls series by also returning to a combat difficulty and overall epicness that the (first two) 2D Zelda games did have in spades.
I really had hoped that "breaking with tradition" would imply that they would not only overhaul the gameplay systems and world but also the combat system and sounds and as such to really provide us with a challenge and epic world full of danger. Maybe I'm being too harsh and too quick to judge here but so far this game has me feeling both excited and disappointed at the same time if that makes sense - like they are building my dream game using a new blueprint but not without reusing the same old elements that instantly summon the tone and level of difficulty of the older games and making the game feel less unique and epic.
Sigh...I guess?
They built a great new template for an open world Zelda game with what seems to be a cool loot system (that solves the problem of older games not providing rewards in chests beyond rupees mostly - which I haven't seen yet in this new game by the way), BUT all of this might be severly hampered by them still keeping to the 3D Zelda tradition of (A) making the combat piss easy because of non-menacing looking and behaving enemies (who barely attack or do damage) and by (B) re-using certain sound effects like the "item find" tingle that take away any semblence of sombreness or epicness that this world seems to want to exude.
The combat especially is problematic since it ruins quite a few of the other otherwise cool elements. Why be interested in searching for better weapons for instance - which seems to be a big drive behind the exploration - if even a simple branch is sufficient to kill most basic overworld enemies? And why implement a nice variety of tactical approaches to encounter like bomb or rock rolling from above or sneaking in using the stealth system if it is just as easy to run in an smash every enemy in sight? Most of the enemies seen so far barely attack or if they do attack, they barely take off any damage, which has been a big problem for me in every Zelda game since Ocarina of Time. A shame they did not want to take at least some inspiration from the Souls series by also returning to a combat difficulty and overall epicness that the (first two) 2D Zelda games did have in spades.
I really had hoped that "breaking with tradition" would imply that they would not only overhaul the gameplay systems and world but also the combat system and sounds and as such to really provide us with a challenge and epic world full of danger. Maybe I'm being too harsh and too quick to judge here but so far this game has me feeling both excited and disappointed at the same time if that makes sense - like they are building my dream game using a new blueprint but not without reusing the same old elements that instantly summon the tone and level of difficulty of the older games and making the game feel less unique and epic.
Sigh...I guess?
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I heard there was a female Link.
OricWindstar
Member
Also, for those worried about villages. From Eiji Aonuma:
Why are towns a step forward?
LambdaTeos
Member
could be, and still people freak out...oh well
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Have we seen Zeldo herself yet? I've been out with family today.
Kills a lot of my hype for me. Love towns, and doing quests for the towns people.
friskykillface
Banned
4 dungeons would be the worst thing
At least 6-8 would be alright
I guess those trials are abundant to make up for lack of dungeons
If that rumor is true
At least 6-8 would be alright
I guess those trials are abundant to make up for lack of dungeons
If that rumor is true
NormalFish
Banned
Where did thid 4 dungeons rumour even come from...?
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Also no towns doesn't exclude side quests. I didn't realize people in houses not inside a town can't ask the player to do things.
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Also no towns doesn't exclude side quests. I didn't realize people in houses not inside a town can't ask the player to do things.
Oh shit which Link is this then?
Vampirolol
Member
Can't it be a decision?
Pilgrimzero
Member
Akin to the good classic Zeldas. Just Link against the world.
I'm totally down.
I'm totally down.
Whoever leaked the 100 mini-dungeon rumor. So they might have been correct. Has it been debunked?
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
This is their version of a post-apocalyptic world! I like the isolation. Towns were nice but I like the change of pace
EatinOlives
Member
Old Hyrule in Wind Waker was preserved by being completely underwater. Note how this Link was also "preserved" by being underwater and when waking him up the water drained.
kunonabi
Member
First Galactus, now Ganon.
CharminUltra
Member
No game has exceeded my expectations like this since... holy shit, I can't even remember. Resident Evil 4?
Before that it was OoT
Before that it was OoT
Should be interesting. Always fun to theorize for the time being😃
Sooooo calm down everyone?
I don't really care for villages anyways. I hate talking to NPCs.
It's everything I wanted, simplicity.
No slow opening with farming tutorials, cut-scenes and walls of text, just classic Zelda.
I can't wait to explore!
No story stuff are going to be showed.
RobotMoses
Member
FTFY.
SweetDonuts
Member
Nope. No characters or story today, just gameplay
BumblebeeCody
Member
I love you Suda51!
Bobs Big Boy
Member
Have they paid any attention to what everyone else is making these days?
Me neither, but people talked alot about going back to the original Zelda, completely open world, with a focus on exploration, making the game less chatty, with less "filler" etc. I still remember the gamespot review of Skyward Sword who was all about "give me Zelda 1 in hd" instead of reviewing the game on its own merit, so i dont know, i think its not completely strange that they would indeed try to make something akin to Zelda 1 in HD. Which this game seems to be.
Yooooo
I love towns, so on a surface level that's a bummer, but I think that sense of isolation in this big world can be something really special. It wouldn't work in any of the other 3D Zeldas, but it could work out well for them here. It really feels like they're going for a mysterious feel for this game akin of especially the first Zelda. I'd hate for that feeling to be disrupted by bustling towns full of NPCs dropping exposition onto you.
GravityMan
Member
It's not too hard for a game to impress me...there have been at least 5 games shown this E3 that have impressed me. But having been gaming since the 80s (NES), it's rare that a game blows me away these days.
This Zelda: BotW showing has blown me the fuck away. Wow at almost everything I've seen. In many ways, this game reminds me of the original Legend of Zelda (which I believe was Nintendo's intent). Nintendo has really thought outside the box for some of the things they came up with.
The "sense of discovery" (both in exploration and in gameplay) in this game seems like it's going to be outstanding. That is something that most open world games fall short on.
The only minor negative I can come up with is that the visuals look a bit too washed out. But that's something I can easily look past...the game looks beautiful.
As for the backlash in this thread...err that's to be expected. Different "Zelda factions" like Zelda games for wildly different reasons.
This Zelda: BotW showing has blown me the fuck away. Wow at almost everything I've seen. In many ways, this game reminds me of the original Legend of Zelda (which I believe was Nintendo's intent). Nintendo has really thought outside the box for some of the things they came up with.
The "sense of discovery" (both in exploration and in gameplay) in this game seems like it's going to be outstanding. That is something that most open world games fall short on.
The only minor negative I can come up with is that the visuals look a bit too washed out. But that's something I can easily look past...the game looks beautiful.
As for the backlash in this thread...err that's to be expected. Different "Zelda factions" like Zelda games for wildly different reasons.
How are these overworld items going to be used?! I was holding out for potion making, town quests, etc.? Without that the world just seems way too big for its own good. They're spending so much time on this game without showing how it comes together. Just seems like a sandbox atm which is exactly not the open world I could tolerate.
If 4 dungeons is confirmed I'll be majorly bummed. At least the world has stuff in it so it's not the epitome of what I feared yet. Shrines are good news too.
If 4 dungeons is confirmed I'll be majorly bummed. At least the world has stuff in it so it's not the epitome of what I feared yet. Shrines are good news too.
tkscz
Member
Well like I said, I'm good with and good without. As long as the game flows I'm good. I'd rather have no villages than useless ones honestly.
A) It's the first area of the game, I'm sure there's going to be more difficult enemies later on.
B) The item found jingle only plays the first time you pick up a certain item (like, for example, an apple). After that's there's no jingle.
PhoenixDawn
Member
I mean in the treehouse stream they explicitly stated the 100+ mini-dungeons thing. I know they've said there are 4 key legendary items to find so I guess that kinda suggests four massive main dungeons, although it's kinda a stretch to reach that conclusion from what we know, imo.
- Hyrule in ruin, Link gets revived/awaken and given a magical Sheikah Slab
- ~100 shrines scattered through the world. We saw Treehouse folks go through a couple and get magnet and bomb runes
- Equipable clothing, weapons, shields.
- So far I don't think we've seen a permanent sword, just a range of weapons found on the ground or from enemies; limited durability. Have seen branches, a couple different swords, axe, pitchfork, spears
- Can roll bombs down slops, have a button to detonate bombs
- Use magnet rune to pick stuff up; saw them fishing treasure chests out of pond, throwing boulders at enemies, breaking boxes
- Find fire arrows or campfires on ground, light trees or grass on fire. Chop trees down with axe.
- Not much direction given at beginning, seem to be able to head in any direction pretty early, a lot of emphasis on being inspired by Zelda 1
Idk, just some of the stuff that came to mind. There's plenty of stuff throughout, I'd say just watch the starting trailer and skim through whatever else you can.
Oh wow. Like that info!