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[Crayon]

They put themselves in quite a pickle. I think the most damaging part is the implication that a new console is needed for better games. It's a con.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Haha, oh God, so much this. I will never convince my wife that I need a Scorpio. In fact, just to test the waters I jokingly threw out a "Hey babe, we should look into getting a 4K TV." All you married guys know the look of disdain I received, without even having been there.

Do what I do, go and get one of her 300 quid handbags and say, err fuck you!

 

[ViciousDS]

Silly thing is Sony pretty much have informally announced Neo. They haven't given much detail, but its hardly a secret that its coming.

Houses's talk about apple means we will probably have a reveal and conference much like Apple does in September and also like the original PS4 reveal in 2013.

E3 was the place they announced the details of the PS4. So what difference does it make?

And again, zero chance they didn't originally plan on discussing it to only scrap those plans and throw in the days gone demo. Why else did they show the trailer earlier in the presentation then awkwardly show a demo at the end?

Incorrect, The details of the PS4 were announced in February of 2013 at a show. The only thing they did at E3 was their policies on used games, the price and what he device looks like. Everything else dev talk, specs and reveal was before. Sony did not announce the original details of the console at E3.

 

[Bluenoser]

Nah, it's more like: here's a TV that supports 1080p and next year you'll be able to purchase our new 4k TV.

These analogies are basically the same thing.

But LOL at the bolded, as there's a huge asterisk there.

 

[Compsiox]

I think the announcement was fine. The PR today/afterwards not so much.

 

[deadscreensky]

What a crock of hypocritical garbage. Like even half of Sony's games they showed off are going to be out within the year, and as if that's somehow radically different than announcing future hardware.

 

[bidguy]

What a crock of hypocritical garbage. Like even half of Sony's games they showed off are going to be out within the year, and as if that's somehow radically different than announcing future hardware.

they did announce neo tho....

 

[Hawk269]

Sony rep is surprised MS announce their console ahead of time. Meanwhile Sony announces their counterpart ... wait for it... ahead of time!



Absolutely. They have practically mastered it, and I think it is most effective. Bethesda does similar with their Fallout and Elder Scrolls games.

I know most people will look past the bolded, but I don't see how all those defending what House said when Sony themselves officially announced the existence of the NEO before MS talked about Scorpio. Regardless of how it was done, Sony by acknowledging and saying Neo would not be at E3 is just like announcing it. Sony should of just went with the "we have no comment on future hardware for this years E3".

 

[DjRalford]

Haha, oh God, so much this. I will never convince my wife that I need a Scorpio. In fact, just to test the waters I jokingly threw out a "Hey babe, we should look into getting a 4K TV." All you married guys know the look of disdain I received, without even having been there.

When I told the missus I was dropping £1700 on a new 4K TV and upgraded gpu her only reply was, if that's what you want get it.

 

[Hoo-doo]

What a crock of hypocritical garbage. Like even half of Sony's games they showed off are going to be out within the year, and as if that's somehow radically different than announcing future hardware.

Hardware and software? Yeah, that's radically different for very obvious reasons.

 

[Quotient]

Damn, AMD could be real dicks now, if everything wasn't finalized.

"6TF you say? I'm afraid it wont be cheap."

There could be a ton of complications too. What happens if they can't get the silicon ready in time, or the cooling isn't sufficient and they have to drop the clock speed, so now instead of 6TF, it is say 5.4TF. So MS now have to back-track on the promised performance and may have a machine that is 12 months later than Sony with not that much higher performance.

In my opinion, this is a big risk for MS.

 

[The Baron Count]

From what we have been told, Sony actually have devkits out to developers and have a timeframe for mandatory support for Neo. Microsoft have a wish-list of specs. You would expect Sony to be out in the opening talking about it but it is the opposite with Microsoft talking about a device that does not exist.

Personally I prefer the Sony approach - don't tell me until you have an actual machine with games and a launch time-frame.

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

Honestly though, the difference between the launches of these two systems is likely a matter of months. I imagine MS wanted to put all their cards on the table at their E3 show just to get people talking about it and give a heads up.

I would have found it kind of scummy for them to have announced that new slim without announcing the fact that a better system is coming out next year. I was pleasantly surprised by Sony confirming the Neo recently to try to give people a heads up as well. If you're going to do something like this, then you need to let consumers know.

 

[Boke1879]

What a crock of hypocritical garbage. Like even half of Sony's games they showed off are going to be out within the year, and as if that's somehow radically different than announcing future hardware.

But it is radically different lol. All platform holders do this as far as software is concerned. Thing is I can go out now and buy a PS4 and play a range of games. They essentially announced a new console that won't hit the market for a year and a half, with nothing to show and terrible PR afterwards.

 

[GeordieMark]

Damn, AMD could be real dicks now, if everything wasn't finalized.

AMD: "6TF you say? I'm afraid it wont be cheap."

You have no idea what you are talking about

 

[bidguy]

lmao so much doom and gloom in this thread holy shit

 

[Suzushiiro]

E3 was the place they announced the details of the PS4. So what difference does it make?

And again, zero chance they didn't originally plan on discussing it to only scrap those plans and throw in the days gone demo. Why else did they show the trailer earlier in the presentation then awkwardly show a demo at the end?

Actually, rumors were that there was supposed to be a Red Dead Redemption 2 trailer shown at the end, but the trailer featured a scene where a villian shoots up a bar and considering recent events that was a little over a line even by the standards of a show that's 50% shooting people.

Though considering the gap between the original Neo rumored specs and the Scorpio's rumored specs, they probably did plan on showing it at E3 and launching in early '17 for a while, but then decided to up the specs and launch in late '17 alongside Scorpio instead after its specs leaked. So you're most likely half-right.

 

[BRocknRolla]

Haha, oh God, so much this. I will never convince my wife that I need a Scorpio. In fact, just to test the waters I jokingly threw out a "Hey babe, we should look into getting a 4K TV." All you married guys know the look of disdain I received, without even having been there.

My wife actually came home the other day and unprompted said, "I just saw a 4k TV for the first time. It was really impressive." I was surprised. Looks like I may be looking at a 4k TV at some point after all. Apparently 4k TVs can sell themselves.

But I'd have a very hard time arguing for why a Scorpio makes sense. Hell, I can't even convince myself I would need one.

 

[Freeman]

There could be a ton of complications too. What happens if they can't get the silicon ready in time, or the cooling isn't sufficient and they have to drop the clock speed, so now instead of 6TF, it is say 5.4TF. So MS now have to back-track on the promised performance and may have a machine that is 12 months later than Sony with not that much higher performance.

In my opinion, this is a big risk for MS.

NVidia will also have one and half year to spill salt all over the 6TF remark.

"Only 6TF? Do you even lift?"

 

[Boke1879]

Actually, rumors were that there was supposed to be a Red Dead Redemption 2 trailer shown at the end, but the trailer featured a scene where a villian shoots up a bar and considering recent events that was a little over a line even by the standards of a show that's 50% shooting people.

Though considering the gap between the original Neo rumored specs and the Scorpio's rumored specs, they probably did plan on showing it at E3 and launching in early '17 for a while, but then decided to up the specs and launch in late '17 alongside Scorpio instead after its specs leaked. So you're most likely half-right.

Doubt this is their plan at all. They'll reveal the console later in the year and launch soon after.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Remember 4 years ago we were all glued to this place, sifting through leaks, refreshing for the latest nugget of info on the new consoles and how powerful they will be...

Then here we are with the same time to release as then and MS say it'll be this powerful, it'll be this capable and it's coming out in this quarter. And apparently they did the wrong thing.

Extraordinary...

 

[icespide]

lmao so much doom and gloom in this thread holy shit

doom and gloom? I don't see it...

 

[deadscreensky]

But it is radically different lol. All platform holders do this as far as software is concerned. Thing is I can go out now and buy a PS4 and play a range of games. They essentially announced a new console that won't hit the market for a year and a half, with nothing to show and terrible PR afterwards.

"The dynamics of the tech industry are such that there's a much heavier emphasis on immediate gratification than there was"

So immediate gratification only applies to hardware, not software? Please. Both companies are selling loads of future, delayed potential.

And the idea that this is a new thing is equally dumb. Sony, Microsoft, and others have been widely derided for showing off distant product for generations now. Fanboy war never changes.

I get it, E3 is exhausting, people are tired and say dumb stuff. This 'surprise' is one of those things.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Yeah, it's baffling. Even Nintendo has realized this, and we know how out-of-touch they are.

 

[NIGHT-]

They definitely convinced me to buy it over the neo.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I know most people will look past the bolded, but I don't see how all those defending what House said when Sony themselves officially announced the existence of the NEO before MS talked about Scorpio. Regardless of how it was done, Sony by acknowledging and saying Neo would not be at E3 is just like announcing it. Sony should of just went with the "we have no comment on future hardware for this years E3".

He gave his reasoning for it. It was smart. Folks expected it. It was better say, we have one, but it won't be shown, than have the conference dragged down due to disappointment.

 

[BRocknRolla]

lmao so much doom and gloom in this thread holy shit

I'm not sure there's a whole lot of positivity going around NeoGAF today, period. There's clearly a lot of consternation about the state of gaming as we see this new transition, and I can't say I blame people.

 

[Quotient]

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

Honestly though, the difference between the launches of these two systems is likely a matter of months. I imagine MS wanted to put all their cards on the table at their E3 show just to get people talking about it and give a heads up.

I would have found it kind of scummy for them to have announced that new slim without announcing the fact that a better system is coming out next year. I was pleasantly surprised by Sony confirming the Neo recently to try to give people a heads up as well. If you're going to do something like this, then you need to let consumers know.

Microsoft's intention was to move focus away from the Neo, the talk about giving developers notice, or to be open is just PR talk. Microsoft is scared that if Sony launch the Neo this year that the Xbox one will seem even more underpowered. They needed away to say to their fans and media - 'We are still in the game'.

 

[MilkyJoe]

He gave his reasoning for it. It was smart. Folks expected it. It was better say, we have one, but it won't be shown, than have the conference dragged down due to disappointment.

And conversely Ms announced and their conference was lifted through the roof...

 

[Saintruski]

I know most people will look past the bolded, but I don't see how all those defending what House said when Sony themselves officially announced the existence of the NEO before MS talked about Scorpio. Regardless of how it was done, Sony by acknowledging and saying Neo would not be at E3 is just like announcing it. Sony should of just went with the "we have no comment on future hardware for this years E3".

Microsoft overshadowed their own games, and their slim. I think it's all about the timing at which things are presented at is what people are getting at and Andrew himself.

I could be wrong, but that is how I personally felt after watching everything.

 

[Quotient]

And conversely Ms announced and their conference was lifted through the roof...

About a product that is 18 months away. What about the time between now and then? Microsoft completely overshadowed everything in their conference with the announcement of Scorpio.

 

[RichiRamjag]

And conversely Ms announced and their conference was lifted through the roof...

Ok, and? I don't get the point.

 

[bidguy]

I'm not sure there's a whole lot of positivity going around NeoGAF today, period. There's clearly a lot of consternation about the state of gaming as we see this new transition, and I can't say I blame people.

no this is fake concern about scorpio making up nonsensical scenarios were "silicon wont be ready" "non suficient cooling" "hurr durr amd can be dicks and troll ms"

i dont see a whole lotta negativity about neo only hopes that they might give it a spec bump... you can honestly spot the same people saying the same crap in every xbone thread

 

[reKon]

They definitely convinced me to buy it over the neo.

damn, I guess their work here is done... without saying anything about pricing (which we have no idea about for BOTH systems) or having an idea of future Xbox/Windows exclusives that will be launched in the future!

what a time to be a fanboy, lol...

 

[DudeWithNoName]

Microsoft announced the Scorpio so early for the sole purpose of interfering with Sony's Neo announcement plans. Basically throwing a wet blanket on Sony's campfire.

 

[MilkyJoe]

About a product that is 18 months away. What about the time between now and then? Microsoft completely overshadowed everything in their conference with the announcement of Scorpio.

In whose eyes did they overshadow the event.

If you have no idea why they mentioned it then my advice is to never go into business.

 

[icespide]

no this is fake concern about scorpio making up nonsensical scenarios were "silicon wont be ready" "non suficient cooling" "hurr durr amd can be dicks and troll ms"

i dont see a whole lotta negativity about neo only hopes that they might give it a spec bump... you can honestly spot the same people saying the same crap in every xbone thread

there's plenty of negativity about both consoles. you can't be serious

 

[MilkyJoe]

damn, I guess their work here is done... without saying anything about pricing (which we have no idea about for BOTH systems) or having an idea of future Xbox/Windows exclusives that will be launched in the future!

what a time to be a fanboy, lol...

The irony in this post.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

doom and gloom? I don't see it...

Probably got too many Scorpio tabs open putting out fires.

no this is fake concern about scorpio making up nonsensical scenarios were "silicon wont be ready" "non suficient cooling" "hurr durr amd can be dicks and troll ms"

i dont see a whole lotta negativity about neo only hopes that they might give it a spec bump... you can honestly spot the same people saying the same crap in every xbone thread

Is that happening here? I've completely missed it.

 

[Boke1879]

And conversely Ms announced and their conference was lifted through the roof...

and yet most sites are reporting Sony stole the show with their presser. Either way all of this stuff will leave the public consciousness in a month anyway as we head to the fall season and what's out now will be most important.

 

[GeordieMark]

there's plenty of negativity about both consoles. you can't be serious

He's right. It's turned up to 11 in every Xbox thread.

 

[Dreamgazer]

And conversely Ms announced and their conference was lifted through the roof...

I think you're misunderstanding Richi.

He's saying that it was better that sony announced they weren't showing the Neo ahead of time, as oppose to not say anything and left everyone disappointed with empty expectations.

 

[BRocknRolla]

no this is fake concern about scorpio making up nonsensical scenarios were "silicon wont be ready" "non suficient cooling" "hurr durr amd can be dicks and troll ms"

i dont see a whole lotta negativity about neo only hopes that they might give it a spec bump... you can honestly spot the same people saying the same crap in every xbone thread

I've seen people saying Sony may as well cancel the Neo, because it's now dead in the water.

And you've got people in the Ubi/NX thread saying that Nintendo is doomed and may as well not even bother releasing the NX as it's already proven it will be a failure.

Negativity surrounds us. It's not just MS directed.

 

[MilkyJoe]

and yet most sites are reporting Sony stole the show with their presser. Either way all of this stuff will leave the public consciousness in a month anyway as we head to the fall season and what's out now will be most important.

Yes, you have to question pipping a software announcement over a hardware... Horses for courses of course.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I think you're misunderstanding Richi.

He's saying that it was better that sony announced they weren't showing the Neo ahead of time, as oppose to not say anything and left everyone disappointed with empty expectations.

Exactly. That wasn't a slight to MS or anyone else.

 

[boredandlazy]

He's right. It's turned up to 11 in every Xbox thread.

I guess this one counts now too?

 

[icespide]

He's right. It's turned up to 11 in every Xbox thread.

there's a lot of scorpio negative noise right now because microsoft keeps flubbing the messaging but overall there's a pretty evenly mixed negative and positive sentiment on the idea of iterative consoles in general

 

[vcc]

there's plenty of negativity about both consoles. you can't be serious

The audiences reaction is so heterogeneous. I think for enthusiasts hardware is a exciting announcement. For the mainstream it means there may be pressure to shell out more money to keep up which isn't universally appreciated. Both machines do undermine peoples conceptions of console gaming and that definitely isn't good for everyone.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

I know most people will look past the bolded, but I don't see how all those defending what House said when Sony themselves officially announced the existence of the NEO before MS talked about Scorpio. Regardless of how it was done, Sony by acknowledging and saying Neo would not be at E3 is just like announcing it. Sony should of just went with the "we have no comment on future hardware for this years E3".

They said the console exist. They didn't confirm specs, or none of what Microsoft did with Scorpio....how is this hard to grasp. It was a rumor that a gaffer exposed and all they said was that it exist and we have nothing to talk about right now. The response seems very clear as far as I'm concerned. .

 

[BadWolf]

I was surprised by the MS announcement as well, still don't think it was a good idea.

 

[Saintruski]

I've seen people saying Sony may as well cancel the Neo, because it's now dead in the water.

And you've got people in the Ubi/NX thread saying that Nintendo is doomed and may as well not even bother releasing the NX as it's already proven it will be a failure.

Negativity surrounds us. It's not just MS directed.

I think Sony has the first party/exclusive support to carry its own weight even with a weaker console, making it a must have. I haven't owned a console since 2007, but some of Sonys games have me looking at getting one to go with my PC again.

I think they will all be fine at this point.