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Should Sony Release PS4 Exclusives on the PC 3 to 4 Years After Release?
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metareferential
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If Sony cares about preserving their games, they should release them on pc too.
That's why the new iterative hardware model is so appealing to me: forward and backward compatibility means I'll be able to enjoy old games on newer hardware. Almost like on pc.
That's why the new iterative hardware model is so appealing to me: forward and backward compatibility means I'll be able to enjoy old games on newer hardware. Almost like on pc.
InquisitorAles
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How the hell Sony will become a third party company if they'll start selling their games on PC? This thread not about begging to release every Sony's game in Steam, it's about availability their titles on PC. There is people who still think that consoles and PC are the same thing?
Then you should stop visiting PCMR reddit.
Ask that and you'll just get an excuse as to why it shouldn't be on console.
Ironically, you give off a lot of the same vibes as some of the PCMR users, though obviously not the more extreme ones.
level1
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Customers loyal to the playstation brand are consumers too. And yes, no matter how much you scream otherwise, validating their investment into your brand with a healthy library of exclusives is a positive for them too.
Psycho_Mantis
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Where did this notion of exclusives being anti-consumer come from lol?
Are these people new to gaming, or not know how the console industry works?
lmao
Are these people new to gaming, or not know how the console industry works?
lmao
Melchiah
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I feel, that if they moved to software side, they'd sooner or later start taking less risks, and going where the fence is the lowest. Why take the risks, if there's no other benefits involved?
To my understanding a lot of small but good titles also drown among the Steam offerings, and go more or less unnoticed.
You said earlier...
"We know this works because it's literally the business model multiplatform publishers are built around."
...and that's the thing, the big multiplatform publishers aren't really making and funding the kind of games Sony is, with few exceptions like Unravel.
Does it eliminate the strengths of the console platform entirely? Does God of War being on PC make PCs cheaper, or more convenient, or better in the living room? The number of people that would suddenly drop console hardware for PCs seems to be vastly overstated. Steam machines didn't even break 500k sold, did they? The suggestion that PC cannibalizes console sales on a large scale seems sketchy.
Real_Madrid
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I would rather watch an hour long speech of Donald Trump than visiting PCMR subreddit
I've seen enough pc gamers care about their 'exclusives', the last one I saw was the latest Quake game. Saying that only console players care and all the pc gamers don't care is just weird.
Louis Cyphre
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Wouldn't good talent still rise to the top? Meaning good developers like Naughty Dog would still be making great games regardless. Or are we under this belief only Sony can nurture and source out good people?
Speaking of Nintendo how is it good for anyone if the software they put out there isn't getting into enough peoples hands because nobody wants to buy the hardware? This is kind of the conundrum Microsoft was facing.
mejin
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We'll see it this year. How well XB1 will hold.
Newtype-001
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Lmaooooooo
Psycho_Mantis
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The goal is to attract as many people to their console. Exclusives are notable to this but are only one part.
KoopaTheCasual
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metareferential
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While this is true, some gamers just won't buy another platform for a couple of games.
Single-platform gaming seems to be the norm.
And besides, pc isn't a competing platform.
If most gamers wont to do so, why this thread is existing?
obviously, most gamers also dont would buy bloodborne, however exclusive games like these are not targeted for "most gamers".
Also sony disagrees with you on the not competing part
wonderful103
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Just wait 5-10 years folks. There won't be walled gardens in this sense of the word. Everything will be a service
Melchiah
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Good point.
I think it's pretty well-known, that Sony gives more freedom to its developers than most of the big publishers.
Microsoft is also invested in bolstering their operating system, the other two have no vested interest on the PC side.
Psycho_Mantis
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Building up exclusives while having the best third party support will slowly build a more attractive library for that console.
CerebralTiger
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Louis Cyphre
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Valkyria Chronicles sold over 200,000 copies on Steam. I imagine the return was quite profitable.
Weird. I remember when the general consensus with Sony fans were that console exclusives (meaning it was available on PC) is good as any exclusive because hey, separate audiences and such.
I guess now that there's more than a couple critically acclaimed PS4 exclusives fanboys didn't need to lean on "console exclusives" and changed their tune.
I guess now that there's more than a couple critically acclaimed PS4 exclusives fanboys didn't need to lean on "console exclusives" and changed their tune.
RandySquizzel
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The amount of people saying they no longer need to buy an xbox one is a good indicator that this wouldn't be a good move for Sony.
It's all well and good selling games on PC, but they aren't just a publisher. They are a console manufacturer too. What better way to get people to buy your console than to have some of the best games made exclusive to it.
Then there's the question of trophies, servers, charging PC gamers for ps plus. It's far simpler for people to just buy a PS4. They cheap enough.
It's all well and good selling games on PC, but they aren't just a publisher. They are a console manufacturer too. What better way to get people to buy your console than to have some of the best games made exclusive to it.
Then there's the question of trophies, servers, charging PC gamers for ps plus. It's far simpler for people to just buy a PS4. They cheap enough.
Psycho_Mantis
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How's that PS3 emulation going?
SicSemperTyrannis
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I'd rather have the option to buy and play on a console or a PC, or switch between the two with "play anywhere" titles, compared to Sony's absolute walled garden on console. I don't understand all the complaints of walled gardens all of a sudden when talking specifically about Microsoft consoles and Windows. The whole point of a console is for the ecosystem to be closed and controlled by the platform holder, so why is it bad for Microsoft but okay for Sony? I think Sony should start porting their console exclusives to PC after a handful of years, but instead of bolstering the Windows 10 Marketplace they should work something out with Valve for their games to appear exclusively on Steam.
If your complaint is that Microsoft is creating a walled garden on PC with their store, that is a semi-legitimate complaint, but you could also buy an Xbox and play the games there in a Sony comparable, console walled garden. Microsoft putting their games only on Windows Store is really no different from Valve only putting their published titles on Steam and people aren't grabbing pitchforks demanding that Valve bring Portal or Half-life to a different digital platform. People need to relax and see these things from the business' perspective instead of just whining like the entitled customers we all are.
I think the way that Microsoft is bringing the platforms together has more positives for customers, and them as a business, when looking at keeping players in their ecosystem and bolstering both of their stores with content. It shouldn't be viewed as a negative in any way and Microsoft doesn't care if you buy their dedicated gaming hardware, they aren't making (any/much) money on the actual system. I have had gaming PC's in the past and barely played on them and now primarily use my PC for work, but own an Xbox One and PS4. I play games on console for the simplicity and unified experience. If Microsoft brings their Xbox experience to PC and executes it well, I think you will see more players investing in their ecosystem and it will have an effect on console sales long term because PC players that want to play the same games in other rooms or share their collection with family will already be well invested with content ready to use. Of course the fact that they've also taken a hard stance for backwards compatibility wins them respect in my eyes, even if it did come late, at least they offer it.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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No, this thread is about every Sony exclusive hitting PC..the ones that they pay to make. There are people who think that walled gardens that existed since the beginning of consoles are all of a sudden anti-consumer. Like?
Yes, this thread is about brand loyalty and entitlement all wrapped up into one. It's cool to argue that there could be value gained from this, but there is no facts showing that any successful PS exclusive would have done numbers on PC.
Given what Phil Spencer has said, they probably would have, if he was in charge. More total sales still applies, even if you are leading the console race.
It is though
In progress, as these things always are. Gonna be a long time before we see much from it.
Mass Effect
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Fuck I made a typo in that gif...
I'm not fixing it.
EDIT: Nevermind, turns out I didn't close photoshop, so it only took a second
I'm not fixing it.
EDIT: Nevermind, turns out I didn't close photoshop, so it only took a second
Melchiah
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He has said many things, including not liking 3rd party exclusives, then Dead Rising 4 happened.
Well high profile multiplatform games can perform really well on PC.
Dark Souls series
MGS5
Shadow of Mordor
Batman Arkham series
A great port of a great game will sell well most of the time.
I'm sure others will think it would weaken the point to buy the platform, but a gap that large to me would do nothing to hurt Sony or consumers. The real fact of how consoles games work on PC is that eventually emulation and better hardware will brute-force those games on to the platform anyway, so they might as well make money off it. The PS3 is taking longer because of its strange architecture, but there were people emulating the 360 version of GTAV before the actual PC version even came out. The x86 based PS4 will likely take even less time.
People also buy consoles for a variety of reasons outside just a handful of exclusive titles. Even when they do buy the box for certain games...the majority of those game sales occur in the first few months or its first Christmas holiday. The people that pick up 3-4 year old games are not a big audience, and have a higher chance to pick them up used.
If someone is patient enough to wait 3-4 years on your game before picking it up...they didn't care that much, and weren't likely to ever pick up a console for that game. Exclusives power to sell boxes is before release when hype trailers come out, and on release when they make a splash...their use years down the line is minimal at best.
Sony would only make more money doing this, especially because they'd be on Steam, not Windows Store. They wouldn't be helping their direct Xbone competition, they'd be old games whose console selling power died, they'd get double dipped sales, and they'd open up their brands to a wider audience.
Pirating still doesn't stop PC games from selling millions, and Steam's best seller list is consistently filled with new games, along with service-based or early access games that keep selling over stuff on sale. Only seasonal sales alter the best sellers of the day to be largely old games.
People also buy consoles for a variety of reasons outside just a handful of exclusive titles. Even when they do buy the box for certain games...the majority of those game sales occur in the first few months or its first Christmas holiday. The people that pick up 3-4 year old games are not a big audience, and have a higher chance to pick them up used.
If someone is patient enough to wait 3-4 years on your game before picking it up...they didn't care that much, and weren't likely to ever pick up a console for that game. Exclusives power to sell boxes is before release when hype trailers come out, and on release when they make a splash...their use years down the line is minimal at best.
Sony would only make more money doing this, especially because they'd be on Steam, not Windows Store. They wouldn't be helping their direct Xbone competition, they'd be old games whose console selling power died, they'd get double dipped sales, and they'd open up their brands to a wider audience.
Pirating still doesn't stop PC games from selling millions, and Steam's best seller list is consistently filled with new games, along with service-based or early access games that keep selling over stuff on sale. Only seasonal sales alter the best sellers of the day to be largely old games.
From a Gamer's perspective, it would be nice to have everything available everywhere, yes.
From a biz perspective, Sony isn't in the same position as MS on multiple levels (from ownership of the Win10 OS to market position on a WW level, and peripherals) it simply doesn't make sense for Sony.
Now, I wouldn't rule out the odd 3rd party Indie release published by Sony as we've already seen (Helldivers...), but as far as 1st party go, your best bet will be if PSNow ever makes it to PC (I think it is already planned for IOS/ Android?).
Hopefully the service is upgraded to 1080p30 at some point.
Why the resistance to get a $299 box for your tv though? After this year's E3 and MS's positionning, I think it is clear more than ever that the best of both worlds (PC/ WiiU or NX, and PC / PS4) is the way to go to be able to enjoy the maximum amount of games that might interest you.
#shrug
From a biz perspective, Sony isn't in the same position as MS on multiple levels (from ownership of the Win10 OS to market position on a WW level, and peripherals) it simply doesn't make sense for Sony.
Now, I wouldn't rule out the odd 3rd party Indie release published by Sony as we've already seen (Helldivers...), but as far as 1st party go, your best bet will be if PSNow ever makes it to PC (I think it is already planned for IOS/ Android?).
Hopefully the service is upgraded to 1080p30 at some point.
Why the resistance to get a $299 box for your tv though? After this year's E3 and MS's positionning, I think it is clear more than ever that the best of both worlds (PC/ WiiU or NX, and PC / PS4) is the way to go to be able to enjoy the maximum amount of games that might interest you.
#shrug
Schweinehund
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I wish, regardless of what people may think, Remasters aren't guaranteed. We may never see Bloodborne in 60 fps like we still haven't seen demon souls in 60 fps or 1080p.
Porting to pc is important for archiving games as well.
Porting to pc is important for archiving games as well.
Peter Ian Staker
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What's the point of releasing it 3-4 years after? By this time nobody really cares.
It would only make sense to do a PC release up to a year after the console one.
I would love to see an end to exclusives though. It's an anti consumer tactic.
It would only make sense to do a PC release up to a year after the console one.
I would love to see an end to exclusives though. It's an anti consumer tactic.
gaming_noob
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Sony should release their own version of Steam so PC gamers can play their games too. Many people who see themselves with a PS4/PC only future will only need a PC then.
MAX PAYMENT
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You have a neogaf account. You do not represent the average console gamer.
The vast majority of "gamers" don't even own a gaming PC.
StrongBlackVine
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12 pages of shameless port begging. Shows how amazing Sony's E3 conference was.
*edit multiple topics about PS4 exclusives coming to PC when there is zero percent of it happening.
*edit multiple topics about PS4 exclusives coming to PC when there is zero percent of it happening.
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