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[Fedemgsuy]

So I just started PC gaming again after like 15 years. I got a GTX 970, with an i5 6600 and 16Gb of RAM. I'm very happy with it, and can run like Doom and Overwatch maxed out at 1280x720 and it never gets below 50fps. Witcher 3 is usually 40+ but sometimes gets into the low 30's when shit is getting heavy during combat and such.

Overall what should likely be my next upgrade in, let's say a year? Maybe this, or would a 1070 be smarter? Do you think the 1070 will be below $300 by next summer?

1280x720??, are sure about that?, at 720p, a 970 should do 100+fps in The Witcher 3...

 

[Horseticuffs]

1280x720??, are sure about that?, at 720p, a 970 should do 100+fps in The Witcher 3...

Well I'm playing on a TV where the refresh rate is 60 so the max I'll ever see is sixty as I understand it.

Again, I'm very new to modern PC life so perhaps I'm mistaken.


Edit:
I should add this TV is an ancient HDTV. I use it because it's 50" and if I don't use it for this I'll just toss it. Maybe a decent monitor is my best investment? I've got another TV that's 1080p. Maybe I should use that?

But then I've got to move this like two hundred pound HDTV somebody gave me. I guess this is a good problem to have?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009J4YBI/?tag=neogaf0e-20

This is the beast right here. I guess I should probably junk the old girl and use my perfectly nice 1080p 42" TV right this very weekend, eh?

 

[XOMTOR]

Last I checked, B&H is price-gouging on all the new GPU's. If you're buying from somewhere in the US, why not buy from Amazon or NewEgg?

Damn you B&H but I'm sure everyone will be charging what they can while the fishing is good. Will Amazon and NewEgg ship to Canada? For a while, Amazon.com would only ship certain items and would refer to their Canadian site.

 

[senahorse]

Well I'm playing on a TV where the refresh rate is 60 so the max I'll ever see is sixty as I understand it.

Again, I'm very new to modern PC life so perhaps I'm mistaken.


Edit:
I should add this TV is an ancient HDTV. I use it because it's 50" and if I don't use it for this I'll just toss it. Maybe a decent monitor is my best investment? I've got another TV that's 1080p. Maybe I should use that?

But then I've got to move this like two hundred pound HDTV somebody gave me. I guess this is a good problem to have?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009J4YBI/?tag=neogaf0e-20

This is the beast right here. I guess I should probably junk the old girl and use my perfectly nice 1080p 42" TV right this very weekend, eh?

Check if you have hairworks enabled, should give you a nice boost if you turn that off.

 

[Arc]

Which will reach MSRP faster, this or the 8GB RX 480?

 

[Fedemgsuy]

Well I'm playing on a TV where the refresh rate is 60 so the max I'll ever see is sixty as I understand it.

Again, I'm very new to modern PC life so perhaps I'm mistaken.


Edit:
I should add this TV is an ancient HDTV. I use it because it's 50" and if I don't use it for this I'll just toss it. Maybe a decent monitor is my best investment? I've got another TV that's 1080p. Maybe I should use that?

But then I've got to move this like two hundred pound HDTV somebody gave me. I guess this is a good problem to have?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009J4YBI/?tag=neogaf0e-20

This is the beast right here. I guess I should probably junk the old girl and use my perfectly nice 1080p 42" TV right this very weekend, eh?

switch to the 1080 tv, for sure, youll see a world of diference, that 970 its still a beast.

 

[NeOak]

"This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of 480, and it will soon see the end of the Radeon Rebellion."

-Darth Huang

 

[snatches]

I'm still using a 760. A $250 1060 is very attractive, I may have to get on that.

Same

 

[120v]

impressive for a *60 card. i kind of regret selling my alienware x51 now... i just didn't want the hassle of putting a 10.5" card in there. but this would've been perfect

 

[megarockexe]

Should I wait for a small form open air cooler variant? Performance should still be good.

 

[Durante]

I second this. nvidia and their stupid greedy moves. You want sli? Fork more $$ for the 1070 or 1080.

If anything, not supporting SLI on 1060 is preventing people from making stupid decisions (just like removing 3- and 4-way SLI support was). Seriously, multiple low-end cards was always a bad choice, in 2016 it's a terrible choice.

I'm confused why they removed it though, I can't imagine that they did it to be consumer-friendly.

 

[Eusis]

If anything, not supporting SLI on 1060 is preventing people from making stupid decisions (just like removing 3- and 4-way SLI support was). Seriously, multiple low-end cards was always a bad choice, in 2016 it's a terrible choice.

I'm confused why they removed it though, I can't imagine that they did it to be consumer-friendly.

Cost cutting probably.

And there IS the angle of keeping up for cheap with a second card. Problem is you might have bottlenecks such as low VRAM killing things rather than raw GPU power. I suspect it's why something like the Witcher 3 chokes and dies on a 560 Ti randomly despite running worse on weaker hardware that nevertheless has more RAM.

 

[Marlenus]

Seems like this will be a good card.

Not convinced it will be miles ahead of the 480 though. Reference vs reference there is a huge price gap of $60 and I doubt it will be more than 20% faster overall.

AIB vs AIB will be interesting but it seems perf/$ will be pretty close with the 1060 having a perf/watt advantage but also having less Vram.

It will be very interesting to see how DX12 performance stacks up between the cards.

 

[Resilient]

"This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of 480, and it will soon see the end of the Radeon Rebellion."

-Darth Huang

Embarrassing post

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Honestly I'm annoyed that Nvidia dropped SLI for this card. This is essentially Intel levels of market segmentation.

My choices are becoming buy a 480 AIB to hold me over or get the 1070 with a performance level I'm not all that enthusiastic about.

Another shitty move from them, removing choice.

I was thinking of getting an RX 480, but this is only 50 bucks more. Which would be better value?

It will be at least $70 more as the reference is called 'Founders' edition and costs $300. But even then, if stock is poor again, there'll be a mark-up on top of that from retailers.

Custom cards are 'from $250' so in reality that means $300 for the cheapest custom cooler partner card with availability around August.

 

[dr_rus]

If anything, not supporting SLI on 1060 is preventing people from making stupid decisions (just like removing 3- and 4-way SLI support was). Seriously, multiple low-end cards was always a bad choice, in 2016 it's a terrible choice.

I'm confused why they removed it though, I can't imagine that they did it to be consumer-friendly.

I think they're making strides into less need for SLI support going forward as it has become quite problematic lately. Since they have 1070 and 1080 one of those instead of two 1060 in SLI is a better choice anyway so it's not like the market has lost much here. It should also be noted that DX12 and Vulkan are able to take advantage of mGPU without any SLI support so maybe they try to push the devs into providing such support as well.

 

[DPB]

Another shitty move from them, removing choice.



It will be at least $70 more as the reference is called 'Founders' edition and costs $300. But even then, if stock is poor again, there'll be a mark-up on top of that from retailers.

Custom cards are 'from $250' so in reality that means $300 for the cheapest custom cooler partner card with availability around August.

The Founders is only available directly from Nvidia. Custom cards are the only ones that you can buy in shops on the 19th.

 

[Bl@de]

Blower cooler = Air is sucked in through the fan and blown out through the holes in the metal plate at the back where the ports are. Generally the worst but can be good for small form-factor cases with minimal room for airflow inside the case.

Hmm ... I wonder if this can lower the temperatures in my Sharkoon QB One mITX case :/ I have GTX 770 with the Windforce cooler right now (3x open fan design). The problem I see is: There aren't much Blower cards available and I doubt the FE will beat an good open-fan design. Even if it's a mITX case.

 

[Widge]

Hmm ... I wonder if this can lower the temperatures in my Sharkoon QB One mITX case :/ I have GTX 770 with the Windforce cooler right now (3x open fan design). The problem I see is: There aren't much Blower cards available and I doubt the FE will beat an good open-fan design. Even if it's a mITX case.

The FE's seemed decent on the benchmarks I looked at. This FE doesn't quite seem to have the same calibre of components on it though.

Gigabyte just announced a tiny mini-ITX blower over on the 1070 side of the fence so I'd hazard a guess at one joining the ranks here too in the future.

 

[Bl@de]

The FE's seemed decent on the benchmarks I looked at. This FE doesn't quite seem to have the same calibre of components on it though.

Gigabyte just announced a tiny mini-ITX blower over on the 1070 side of the fence so I'd hazard a guess at one joining the ranks here too in the future.

I have to add: Noise is even more important than temperature to me^^ And that's why reference cards etc. were never an option. My 770 is quite hot (80-83°C) but it's still (relatively) quiet with my MSI Afterburner profile.

EDIT: Doesn't have to be a short MiniGPU. My case has space for 30cm cards Of course that's the maximum and it was kind of hard fitting my 770 in there.

 

[DPB]

The FE's seemed decent on the benchmarks I looked at. This FE doesn't quite seem to have the same calibre of components on it though.

Gigabyte just announced a tiny mini-ITX blower over on the 1070 side of the fence so I'd hazard a guess at one joining the ranks here too in the future.

That's actually an open air cooler, it appears to be the same as this 970, just with a slightly different shroud.

More 1060s, this time from Asus:

 

[blastprocessor]

"This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of 480, and it will soon see the end of the Radeon Rebellion."

-Darth Huang

Look i'm getting a 1060 GTX because the power consumption is nicely below my 660 GTX OEM and will fit into my Alienware X51 R1 due to the limited power available to the GPU.

But you can get 2 480's ($479.98) and its pretty much there/not far off a 1080 GTX ($649.99) with $170 change in your pocket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVVJPbFRDEc

So AMD are not quite out of the game.

 

[Tommy DJ]

Look i'm getting a 1060 GTX because the power consumption is nicely below my 660 GTX OEM and will fit nicely into my Alienware X51 R1 due to the limited power available to the GPU.

But you can get 2 480's ($479.98) and its pretty much there/not far off a 1080 GTX ($649.99) with $170 change in your pocket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVVJPbFRDEc

So AMD are not quite out of the game.

Considering the additional investment you need in power supply along with the performance variability and frame pacing issues that always come with dual GPU setups, it still isn't a particularly good investment IMHO.

 

[LukasTaves]

There was a faster one available at the time of release for $180, and that was a rebrand of a 2012 GPU.

Edit: There was also the $250 GTX 760. Anyone else getting deja-vu?

Well then, wasn't expecting that XD

But now that I think of that, I think the high end tier price have increased since the Ps360 days, right? Kinda unrealistic of me to expect anything close to high end performance from $400 or so boxes anymore...

 

[Oxn]

That's actually an open air cooler, it appears to be the same as this 970, just with a slightly different shroud.

More 1060s, this time from Asus:

Im digging that dual fan model alot.

Should i upgrade from a gtx 780?

Im on 1440p. And im not too impressed with pascal, but i want a new card as a stop gap before getting something highend.

 

[Aztechnology]

So I just started PC gaming again after like 15 years. I got a GTX 970, with an i5 6600 and 16Gb of RAM. I'm very happy with it, and can run like Doom and Overwatch maxed out at 1280x720 and it never gets below 50fps. Witcher 3 is usually 40+ but sometimes gets into the low 30's when shit is getting heavy during combat and such.

Overall what should likely be my next upgrade in, let's say a year? Maybe this, or would a 1070 be smarter? Do you think the 1070 will be below $300 by next summer?

How is this even possible? I'm running Overwatch at 1440p max settings and getting 75 fps on my 970. Doom at 1440p around 70+. Witcher 3 granted at 1080p max settings (No hairworks), but still getting between 60-70 FPS on average. Check to see if you have hair-works on for Witcher 3, but something is definitely not right there.

Download MSI afterburner or ECGA Precision X and tell us what your clock speeds are during gameplay.

 

[pislit]

Hmm ... I wonder if this can lower the temperatures in my Sharkoon QB One mITX case :/ I have GTX 770 with the Windforce cooler right now (3x open fan design). The problem I see is: There aren't much Blower cards available and I doubt the FE will beat an good open-fan design. Even if it's a mITX case.

Wow i never thought i'll see another gaffer using QB One!

 

[Horseticuffs]

How is this even possible? I'm running Overwatch at 1440p max settings and getting 75 fps on my 970. Doom at 1440p around 70+. Witcher 3 granted at 1080p max settings (No hairworks), but still getting between 60-70 FPS on average. Check to see if you have hair-works on for Witcher 3, but something is definitely not right there.

Download MSI afterburner or ECGA Precision X and tell us what your clock speeds are during gameplay.

It's certainly something I could try after work but to my understanding it's because my TV's refresh rate is 60hz.

 

[nnarum]

It's certainly something I could try after work but to my understanding it's because my TV's refresh rate is 60hz.

Yea you will only see 60 fps on your TV. It's still not bad, but like the other poster has suggested use the 1080p set. The resolution will make it look even nicer.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Day -1 if this is actually msrp.,

If anything, not supporting SLI on 1060 is preventing people from making stupid decisions (just like removing 3- and 4-way SLI support was). Seriously, multiple low-end cards was always a bad choice, in 2016 it's a terrible choice.

I'm confused why they removed it though, I can't imagine that they did it to be consumer-friendly.

Exactly, I honestly think people are just looking for things to complain about.

 

[Bl@de]

Wow i never thought i'll see another gaffer using QB One!

Yeah. QB One high-five. Very underrated case for HTPCs. Especiallly if you want a capable gaming HTPC with a tower cooler and long GPU. I was thinking about making a big thread on comfy couch PC gaming with my setup to show how you can have all the comfort+performance and freedom today to end all these stupid "but console is comfy and easy to use..." comments. But I have a bad feeling that the thread will not end well

 

[brotkasten]

It's a shame that these review sites aren't actually attempting to give meaningful context for the people in the market for these cards.. (budget gamers)

Most of them don't have a decent i5 or better, a lot of them will be stuck with potato cpus like an fx or an i3 or pentium

If you have that kind of low end cpu an amd gpu should not even be a consideration for you because you're cpu bottlenecked in shitloads of games on a 60hz 1080p monitor. The cpu overhead from amd's dx11 drivers will kill your framepacing.
If you have a good cpu then that isn't much of a factor (only in some games, like fallout or arma or mmos), but for the kind of budget gamer these cards are aiming at a lot of them are going to be screwing themselves.

I was stuck with the amd gpu + low end cpu wombo combo till last year and it's just awful.

The worst thing is that if any site actually does attempt to do this they'll probably get a thousand emails from brand warriors telling them to kill themselves :\

I understand why the blogs do it (at least theoretically) and it helps that they don't need to have as many setups around. But like you said, context is very important in this market segment and the blogs aren't helping anyone with these benchmarks. People see a 1080p-benchmark for The Witcher 3, where the card hits around 60 fps and are then going to be disappointed when they can only get 40 or 50, because their i3 or Athlon obviously doesn't have as much power as an i7 or even worse, an overclocked 8-core Haswell-E (as I've seen in a GTX 950 review).

Of course I never cared about this before, because I never had to think about it. But now that I'm looking to buy this card for my HTPC and pair it with the i3 6100, I have no idea what performance to expect, even after reviews hit. It really doesn't seem so obvious, until you're in the position yourself.

This annoys me too, I'd like to see English sites actually test real world performance. The few that do are European, as well as Computerbase there's pclab.pl and purepc.pl.

Thank you. I'll check out the sites, once reviews hit next week.

 

[Bananajama]

I was toying with the AMD 480

This trumps it for me though!

 

[MrFrankFontaine]

I just upgraded from an EVGA 980 SC ACX to an EVGA 1080 FE (no regrats tattoo and don't judge).

I was planning on selling my 980 for as close to $300 to make up some of he cost, but with this announcement the value on my 980 just plummeted and I'll be looking at closer to $200 now. Crazy.

I take it the 1060 will also have the new Pascal VR tech that won't be possible with non-Pascal cards?

 

[Aztechnology]

It's certainly something I could try after work but to my understanding it's because my TV's refresh rate is 60hz.

That shouldn't be the case though certainly not at 720p. At 720p you should be getting 60fps without fail on those games but the actual framerate would be way way higher than that. I know obviously you're capped to 60fps but you should be able to uncheck In game Vsync or unlock framerate and use something like Riva Tuner to show your actual FPS. But it's still strange to me at 720p you'd have any of these games falling below 60fps at any time on a 970. That was more my point.

 

[wumster3000]

I just upgraded from an EVGA 980 SC ACX to an EVGA 1080 FE (no regrats tattoo and don't judge).

I was planning on selling my 980 for as close to $300 to make up some of he cost, but with this announcement the value on my 980 just plummeted and I'll be looking at closer to $200 now. Crazy.

I take it the 1060 will also have the new Pascal VR tech that won't be possible with non-Pascal cards?

I off loaded my 970 for $250 just after I picked up a 1080. I figured I had better move fast if I wanted to get something descent for it.

 

[RootCause]

That's actually an open air cooler, it appears to be the same as this 970, just with a slightly different shroud.

More 1060s, this time from Asus:

Reference $250
Dual fan $280
Strix $300

Likelihood of that being the price for these cards?

 

[Aztechnology]

I off loaded my 970 for $250 just after I picked up a 1080. I figured I had better move fast if I wanted to get something descent for it.

When did you sell it and where? I ended up grabbing a 1070 because I had some newegg credit to help soften the blow. But I need to sell my 970 now.

 

[dr_rus]

I take it the 1060 will also have the new Pascal VR tech that won't be possible with non-Pascal cards?

The tech itself is possible on any modern card, it's just that Pascals have a h/w optimization which allow them to perform it much faster.

 

[br3wnor]

Any places have this up for pre-order yet?

Also, for anyone w/ the knowledge who wants to take a stab, here is my current setup:

MB: Asus P8Z77-V LK Intel Z77 DDR3 LGA 1155

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core Processor 3.4 GHz 4 Core LGA 1155

GPU: GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-2GD GeForce GTX 670 Windforce OC 2048MB GDDR5 256-bit PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Graphics Card

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800)

Now, I originally went a bit cheap on my Motherboard when I made this computer, and still haven't run into any problems, but if I JUST upgrade my GPU to the 1060, will that MB be ok still?

I just got Doom and have it running on High settings at 1080p and FOR ME, I'm happy w/ the performance. So I can either just upgrade the GPU right now for $300, get a nice boost, or wait until next year and think about upgrading my MB, RAM and GPU.

So I guess the basic question is, will just GPU upgrade be close to the performance upgrade I'll get if I do a new mother board and get some newer/more RAM?

 

[Cidd]

No Sli support, Nvidia getting more and more dirty with each release..

 

[Oxn]

Would like to sell my reference model gtx 780 for $150 for one of these.

 

[Aztechnology]

Any places have this up for pre-order yet?

Also, for anyone w/ the knowledge who wants to take a stab, here is my current setup:

MB: Asus P8Z77-V LK Intel Z77 DDR3 LGA 1155

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core Processor 3.4 GHz 4 Core LGA 1155

GPU: GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-2GD GeForce GTX 670 Windforce OC 2048MB GDDR5 256-bit PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Graphics Card

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800)

Now, I originally went a bit cheap on my Motherboard when I made this computer, and still haven't run into any problems, but if I JUST upgrade my GPU to the 1060, will that MB be ok still?

I just got Doom and have it running on High settings at 1080p and FOR ME, I'm happy w/ the performance. So I can either just upgrade the GPU right now for $300, get a nice boost, or wait until next year and think about upgrading my MB, RAM and GPU.

So I guess the basic question is, will just GPU upgrade be close to the performance upgrade I'll get if I do a new mother board and get some newer/more RAM?

You're good to go. Somewhere down the line you'll probably want to grab 2 more sticks of the same Ram or 2x8gb sticks. But honestly for now you're still fine. Some games are starting to use up enough ram though that I find it can interfere when I'm doing other things while gaming. Browsing, music, VOIP etc. Recently my Mobo stopped posting with 4 sticks of RAM so I'm relegated to 8GB currently and it's caused a few issues for me personally.

Outside that though you're still fine.

 

[Jawmuncher]

If I can get one without worrying about stock that'll fit in my machine I'm there.

 

[LewieP]

Cool. Sounds like this would be a great card for anyone only interested in 1920x1080 gaming rather than 4k/VR going forward.

A shame that UK price will probably be like £230, or perhaps even £250.

Yep.

Nvidia has just got in contact to reveal European and UK prices for the GTX 1060. We're looking at a base price of £239 for the card, translating into a 280 Euro price tag for those in France and Germany. Meanwhile, the Founders Edition card sees prices rise to £275/319 Euros. All prices include VAT.

From Eurogamer.

 

[Canklestank]

Custom cards are 'from $250' so in reality that means $300 for the cheapest custom cooler partner card with availability around August.

Not sure how anyone can come to this conclusion after the 1070 and 1080. This might be true globally for a variety of reasons, but in the US, prices > FE are the exception, not the norm.

The cheapest custom-cooled AIB card will probably be a blower for $249.99. The Gigabyte Windforce will probably be the cheapest open air card for $260-$270. The ACX 3.0 will probably be the next cheapest in the $265-$275 range. Most of the rest of the custom cooled cards with probably be $270-$290. The Strix, Gaming X, AMP Extreme, FTW and a couple others will probably be the only ones at or above Founder's pricing.

 

[QuantumSquid]

No Sli support, Nvidia getting more and more dirty with each release..

Lol ok.

 

[blastprocessor]

£239 is an OK price. I'm happy to pay a little over the 480 for lower power consumption.

 

[dr. apocalipsis]

No it doesn't. It shows that performance is very similar. The 1080 of course outperforms the 980Ti in the end. But only because of higher clock speeds and not an improvement in efficiency. At the same clock speeds they would both bring in similar performance.

What's the point of using clock speed as metric when there is a noticeable difference in cores/ROPs/TMUs/BUS width in favour of 980ti?

 

[Cidd]

Lol ok.

"Lol ok?" It's pretty obvious why they did it.