Yep. Pretty much this.
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There is no convincing (some) Trump supporters
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A Link to the Past
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Your response to "that was in the past" should have been "what has Trump done to demonstrate that this is in the past? Why do you assume that this is not still a part of who he is?"
A Link to the Past
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Precisely :v It's the perfect response because it challenges them to make specific defenses of a person. It's a tactic I employ whenever people defend police by saying that the actions of police are in the past, and it's usually pretty effective as far as negatively affecting their composure in the discussion.
family_guy
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If Trump wins this election, I'm posting on Facebook for anyone on my friends list that voted for him to go f themselves and unfriend me.
It doesn't matter why they think they're voting for him, he's running on a platform of hate. When you say, oh hey the Hillary supporters are just as stubborn, you're completely missing the reason why. By and far, Hillary supporters want to help trump supporters cause they know it's not their fault, you can not say the same for how trump supporters see Hillary supporters.
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For the longest time, I've always wondered if they ask themselves why there is a need to pretend to be a racist, misogynistic asshole only just to say I'm kidding when it's all said and done. What type of mental gymnastics does one have do to arrive at that thought process. Those people fucking scare me.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Why even try to convince people who actively doublethink and believe in conspiracy theories? They don't care about facts to begin with.
If all you have is that statement for this claim, you need to rethink what you're saying, or come with more proof.
Are you saying we should try to make trump supporters switch by convincing them Hillary hates black people more?
gutter_trash
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nothing can change a convinced, decided and partisan mind
they chose a brand, that's that
they chose a brand, that's that
BotoxAgent
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Nothing will convince me that a trump supporter isn't a racist uneducated shitheel
I mean, it's right there in the video of the lady protesting. She called black people "superpredators" in the 90s. I mean, how do you not know this if you're a Clinton supporter?
Another one that hit me really hard (I'm of Indian origin) and made me so fucking angry, is that she made a joke about Mahatma Gandhi being the owner of a gas station back in 2003.. Gandhi is a hero to me and billions of other people, and she made a joke out of how much he's done for my nation and for the world. His philosophy inspired so many people, including MLK Jr. himself.
Who knows, maybe she changed, but people remember. And personally, I don't believe in her integrity.
Morrigan Stark
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I can tell you what GAF 'convincing' looks like to a Trump supporter:
GAF: Why do you support Trump?
Trump supporter: *Gives reasons*
GAF: Bad reasons. You're just racist.
GAF: Why do you support Trump?
Trump supporter: *Gives reasons*
GAF: Bad reasons. You're just racist.
If they are uneducated and bad reasons we are allowed to criticize it.
I've several instances where hard proof and evidence is provided by people here as to why Trump support is a bad idea, which is often met with a giant shoulder shrug and more denial by the supporter.
Okay, let's say you're a black evangelical Christian. Making abortion illegal is your number one priority. But it "makes no sense" to vote for Trump/Pence this election?
People are more than the color of their skin. Race isn't the only issue in America.
JeTmAn81
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Pretty much. I'm also no Trump fan but around here the rhetoric about him and anyone who might vote for him is pretty extreme.
I think the best you can do is lay out a few basic points about his policies. If the person doesn't already know about this, maybe they'll listen. Maybe not. Either way, after that it's time to go about your day. Railing at someone for hours isn't going to change their mind.
So straight up, you don't care if he makes life worse for minorities
Great to see the "other side" is clearly more open minded and enlightened.
Who? I'm talking about a hypothetical person here. I'm not a black evangelical Christian. Neither would I vote for Trump.
Its usually because those reasons are from white supremacist websites. When they are called out for bigotry or racism, its generally because its a direct link to stormfront.
Pyroclastic
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This is what the overriding theme of the election should be for both campaigns and for voters, what with how hated each of the two candidates are.
If there was a concerted effort to create a dialogue with people about what having 2 new Scalias on the court would mean I think a lot of people would quickly get over their reticence for voting for Hillary...
I guess you could say I'm referring to people who vote for Trump because of his non race related views.
Why would there be a sudden surge of black Republican votes this election when in the past the black vote is always overwhelmingly Democratic? They waited all this time for someone like Trump to come along? "Oh this guy really seems to hate us more than other candidates in the past, time to get on this Republican action."
Easy to say the color of your skin doesn't matter that much if you are not black in America, which already comes along with nearly unavoidable hardships (big or small) which would only becomes worse with a Trump presidency.
Your argument is entirely theoretical and not the reality.
I disagree. People are willing to go through this.. to prove a point. Even those in the reticle of the republican party. I just don't understand their endgame.
1. Trump wins!
2. Republicans go full republican.
3. (static)
4. Gary Johnson/Bernie Sanders wins?
we've gone fucking plaid.
Race isn't even a top 5 issues in this election.
My whole point was a response to the post "I can't vote for Trump - I'm black!".
Hell, I even have a black relative who I'm pretty sure is going to vote for Trump.
JeTmAn81
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Those people either:
1. Don't accept your premise that life under Trump would be worse for minorities
Or
2. Think that's an acceptable price to pay for control of SCOTUS
wumster3000
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Should have been the first post.
Gordon Shumway
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Oh, shit..MEGABLACK!
You know ONE black person who might vote for Trump. This is evidence to you that there will be a sudden influx of new black Republican voters this election?
SlipperyFishes
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When the reason given is "she's evil and I don't know why" then yes, it's a bad reason.
Wait what? Who said there was going to be an influx?
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sorry.
I know more than one... its a disturbing amount to be honest.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You know he's polling so low with black people that we've had results that showed him possibly going below 0% if you assume the stated margin of error, right?
Spiritreaver
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I don't know of any black people voting for Trump and I come from a black family.
I also never see Trump signs and I live in Edmond, Oklahoma.
I also tend to not use anecdotal evidence as an example of anything.
I also never see Trump signs and I live in Edmond, Oklahoma.
I also tend to not use anecdotal evidence as an example of anything.
So you're just saying it's possible to vote for Trump if you're black. Of course it is?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Some people just want to watch the world burn
Okay, so what are we arguing about anyway?
Gordon Shumway
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It's true though. I could vote for dump..I could also jab my balls repeatedly with a plastic spork, but i'm not gonna!
I never understood voting for Republicans when if there was a white paper bag test for voting they'd implement it.
A Link to the Past
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People do that all the time. You're just cherry picking if you think that this is the case.
Gordon Shumway
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Think about that. Not him or half the loons. Not the actual words coming out of their mouths. Not the calls to hang or execute a person running for president. Not a woman who claims no racism existed in the 60s and that Obama started racism. Not the guy who said he'd pay for his supporter's bail if they assault a protester. Not the guy that wants stop and frisk in black neighborhoods.
Nah. Everyone here is extreme in his eyes. Seriously, think about that. Doesn't surprise me, even a little..
As a black man born in the 80s I know how bad the 90s were for us. Black people agreed with that statement then. It's only now in the post micro aggression world, do we know that what she said was wrong. This doesn't make her a virulent racist of some sort. It means in a moment of trying to look tough, she should've chosen better words. And if you're going to argue that they knew that the bill would have the effect it would and that they were cool with that, you'd also be wrong. But this is also placing blame on her for backing her husband's policies as if she crafted them herself, and not Joe Biden the original author.
Besides all this, her actions before and after this in regards to lower income communities goes directly against that same train of thought. And Ghandi was a racist himself, but that doesn't excuse an off color joke, though a little poetic. But that still doesn't equate to "hatred" for people of color. Especially since her actions don't support that.
Aaronology
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I am going to quote myself on this subject.
The superpredator remark is so often brought up by people who appear to be searching for any reason, any at all, to find fault with HRC.
You call Gandhi your hero. Here is a man whose contempt for blacks is well known. A man whose racism is so notable and so offensive that Ghanaians have defaced his statue at the University of Ghana and have started a campaign to have it removed completely. A man who described Africans as "savages." A man who abhored the idea of Indians living with blacks, who he thought of as lowly and ignorant. You act concerned about Clinton's superpredator remark while admiring a man who spoke of Africans in a manner not at all dissimilar from the most racist Jim Crower.
You are a hypocrite, and your hypocrisy is massive.
gutter_trash
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Heh, you would know.
and how!
I swear I was looking for an old post of yours when I originally posted. Great as always.
A Link to the Past
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The comparison fails because Hillary cares about rising above her comments. Trump meanwhile called for the execution of specific black teens, and when they were exonerated, suggested that they were up to no good anyway so what he said was okay. AKA, Trump's ego is more valuable than innocent people's lives. But yes, exactly the same
Seriously. Cherry picking instances of people getting frustrated by supporters of one of the worst major candidates in American history totally exemplifies the "extreme" people.
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