Wireframe
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Pretty much this, and with the market already saturated people are just now getting on the Xbox exclusives. I'm sure the 4K player is also having an effect.
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Xbox One wins 3 consecutive months in NPD for the first time, #1 UK, up YoY
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Pretty much this, and with the market already saturated people are just now getting on the Xbox exclusives. I'm sure the 4K player is also having an effect.
Because they don't care. It's not even important to be number 1 in total in the US, especially not just to make forum people happy in a monthly thread.
They decide what is best for their business and their strategy.
Evidence. That is what will prove the bolded.
freefornow
Gold Member
Well, lets not get carried away now.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Those people will buy enough games on average to mean higher profits for MS and getting more units out there will be a positive sign for developers who like expanding user bases.
Not adding a 4K Blu-Ray player was and remain a not so good move for the PS4 Slim (whose redesign looks less appealing to me than the Xbox One S to be frank) and a bad one for PS4 Pro...they wanted to cut costs further and gives themselves a way to lower price at a whim more easily, but they are lessening their Premium console image for the masses and this is especially bad for the Premium priced Pro model.
John Wick
Member
I'd buy the console for the games I'd like to play and with the best quality. I wouldn't let a UHD drive be the deciding factor for my gaming.
chromatic9
Member
Not surprising, S is a compelling smart system. The PS4 slim looks quite sad in comparison. I'd want a heavy discount to choose the PS4 slim over an S model.
You can bet the Scorpio will be just as neat.
You can bet the Scorpio will be just as neat.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The thing is that we do not just play games we also watch movies with friends and family and spending money on a good 4K TV, maybe even some extra for professional calibration, seems a bit weird if you only watch Netflix's much more heavily compressed lower bitrate content. Still even if it matched Blu-Ray's quality and bitrate it would destroy many people's bandwidth caps. The always online digital future is not there yet and won't be for a good long while.
SensibleSucker
Member
Does the whole MAU thing only count subscribers or is it the wider definition of including offline owners too who actively use it? For example would MS count a person using it only as a UHD player count and would all these new fake USA PSN accounts made for getting the better PSVR demo disc count too?
B1gg_Randall
Member
Congrats,Microsoft.. I gotta get another XB1 soon so I can play Gears 4.
It includes everyone and wtf does the ps vr stuff have to do with Microsoft / xbox? Plus as this thread and othere similar has taught us nobody buys blu rays any more so I doubt there's anyone using it as a UHD only player.
Regardless accounts are region free there is no making of fake accounts you just click us in settings.
aygomyownroad
Member
Microsoft always stack their big releases around fall, and throughout the year the games come and go but overall it can be quite a drought sometimes.
Sony this gen have had a poor fall release in comparison I feel. Their games have either been delayed until the next year (Like Uncharted 4 which was meant to be out around the same time as Rise of the Tomb Raider), but overall Sony seems to have a stronger spring line up of games due to this.
There are far too many big hitters out this time of year (COD, Battlefield, Ubisofts big release to name a few) each year that it can make sense to delay the game. I reckon The Last Guardian is going to struggle due to its release schedule.
I also wonder how big an impact the PS4pro is going to have on the market, outside of Neogaf I know no one who is planning on getting one, in fact most are either waiting on Scorpio, or on Xbox One S in Christmas sales.
Sony this gen have had a poor fall release in comparison I feel. Their games have either been delayed until the next year (Like Uncharted 4 which was meant to be out around the same time as Rise of the Tomb Raider), but overall Sony seems to have a stronger spring line up of games due to this.
There are far too many big hitters out this time of year (COD, Battlefield, Ubisofts big release to name a few) each year that it can make sense to delay the game. I reckon The Last Guardian is going to struggle due to its release schedule.
I also wonder how big an impact the PS4pro is going to have on the market, outside of Neogaf I know no one who is planning on getting one, in fact most are either waiting on Scorpio, or on Xbox One S in Christmas sales.
I get that the lack of an UHD drive sucks but do you really want to start buying UHD BR now? I understand the question is stupid but I just can't imagine buying Blu-rays in 2016, let alone a whole new and more expensive format.
But I'm not really into movies that much so everything I watch is streamed.
Stilton Disco
Member
Which is also something the XO fails at. The PS4 has a far bigger library, and Sony still have more and more varied first and second party output, all of which caters to a far wider and more international audience.
MS need to get their software output in order as much as they need to get Hardware back on track, if not more so. I can't see Scorpio being any more of a success if they just rely on the same handful of evergreen titles that are starting to wither with just more power behind it.
No, the base PS4 will still be what I consider the Base line for what we should be expecting this gen, with the PS4Pro and Scorpio both comfortably occupying the midrange to high end console space wed been missing previously.
Honestly, I'd consider it more comparable to 6th gen, with the XO being the underpowered misstep equivalent of the Dreamcast, PS4 sitting in the good enough position the PS2 did, and the PS4Pro and Scorpio aping the higher end but more niche appeal of the Gamecube and Xbox 1 respectively.
I'm replacing my PS4 with the Pro certainly, but while I'm hoping Scorpio will be worth owning, I need to be convinced that MS is going to have the new and more interesting to me exclusives that the Base model has lacked so far.
Also, while I'd say the iterative consoles are perfect current gen, 1080p systems, I don't think either are or will be up to snuff for true 4K, and that we'll definitely need a clean generation break, as well as a more broad adoption and wider media output, before that'll be the case.
Pretty much. I mean I own a WiiU, despite that being one of the worst consoles to ever exist simply as a games system, purely for its exclusives.
Saying that, while games always trump raw power, there's still basic levels of acceptability for what systems should be capable of by the wider standards of the industry and society at large. 1080p should be the bare minimum now full HD TVs are the norm, and that GPU technology to achieve it is widely available for more than low enough prices for a whole sale product like the XO.
People don't buy it just as a uhd player, but consider it play games too. If you want an uhd player, why not buy one that play games too?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
So in 12 months time the Pro suddenly becomes a terrible games machine?
Chû Totoro
Member
The UHD Blu-Ray effect
having good games also count of course but PS4 has some too
Gears 4 is one the best games I've played this year, your in for a treat
The problem is, if you want 4K content, streaming is not a good solution. The bitrate of 4K streams gives you only 1080p quality; and lots of people do have data caps.
So yes, I´m buying UHD discs.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Preach on!
Relying exclusively on public network for media isn't a good solution either, point of failure is out of your control.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yes I do. If I like a movie I do not want to depend on Netflix or Amazon to keep it listed and unless the picture quality really does not matter much, older not remastered movie, I want to use the picture quality I paid my TV for and I do not want to hog the household bandwidth either
.DonkeyKong
Member
Great to see the XB1 doing well, the S is a great product, Holiday season will be interesting I expect Sony to take Nov/Dec due to the release of the Pro.
That would be a good guess.
It's nice PR for MS and the Slim (aided by price bundles) seems to have launched well but put in in perspective.
3 NPD in a row vs how many for Sony?
What is Sony WW lead and how much - units wise - is MS making up here? A hundred thousand?
Pro isn't out yet so it's demand and how it will sell alongside the slim is unknown
PSVR just launched to apparently solid demand
In short Sony remains way ahead overall with a new main peripheral out plus the more powerful revision launching shortly. They're not going to react at all to this. Unless Pro falters and MS really start eating into the gap from their perspective this is noise and little more.
I guess it's expected but there's the usual effect of reading to much into this going on vs the bigger picture.
That said the Slim represents perhaps the first real improvement from MS since XB1 launched (everything up to that has been damage limitation and stabilisation) and MS will now doubt be happy to see some nice PR to go with it.
Yes I do. If I like a movie I do not want to depend on Netflix or Amazon to keep it listed and unless the picture quality really does not matter much, older not remastered movie, I want to use the picture quality I paid my TV for and I do not want to hog the household bandwidth either
This is so far away from my media habits nowadays, last time I bought a disc was a DVD in... 2008 maybe? Streams look good enough for me. 😄
Little Monser
Banned
He's referring to the way Sony always delays their games because they think they're safe
And who cared about HDR and UHD Blu-Rays 3-4 years ago?
This will probably change immediately the moment you get a quality 4K TV. ;-)
MilkyJoe
Member
Discs give both better vision and sound than a stream, I have streaming services, but I am not going to watch a eagerly awaited blockbuster on anything but a disk.
Stilton Disco
Member
What? No. What a stupid thing to say.
I honestly don't get how people are getting that from what I'm saying. The normal PS4 will still be what I consider the acceptable, though flawed, baseline for this gen, hitting the proper resolution and performance 9 times out of 10, even once the PS4Pro and Scorpio are out.
In 12 months we'll just have 3 console able to meet a decent level of performance at a resolution PC gaming has enjoyed for a decade instead of just 1.
OléGunner;220140379 said:
My point was 3rd parties look better on PS4. 3rd parties act as system sellers for PS4 because people like me tell my friend to get that over the xbox one. This period there were no major 3rd parties and the xbox was left with highly rated system selling exclusives that ran uncontested and could not be compared to any counter part on the PS4.
I even upgraded to an xbox one s for the HDR because it was so cheap with the deals in the UK. For me it was not just that xbox one had exclusives, its that they had HDR too, otherwise I would of just played on PC. Even when the PC finally gets HDR, I will still be left with a 4k bluray player. I definitely prefer the PS4 exclusives in general and play all 3rd party games on my PS4 - and yes Uncharted 4 is beautiful and I can't wait to seeing that in HDR!
i know people here care but does the general public really care about UHD blurays? that's one area i think microsoft got wrong. they need to just drop physical medium all together for the scorpio.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Do you have a 4K TV? I'm kind of somewhere in the middle, stream most of my content but I also want the option to buy a UHD Blu Ray for certain films.
I don't have a 4K TV yet but I'm going to pick one up next year and I want the option of buying UHD's and watching them on my new fancy telly.
I definitely do not thing the average person cares... that much. Its one of those, its nice to have when I get round to upgrading my TV, knowing you have a device that can do it, even though you may not use it straight away adds to the perceptible value of the device. Over the next four years HDR and 4K will become much more affordable and I think this will pay off for xbox in the long run.
It's nice to dream and all but unless XB1 outsells PS4 by 30M or more the rest of the way only in the UK and US it's not going to happen. Right now you have ~20M gap, rest of the world the gap continue to increase at a large rate every day, so XB1 would have to recover the 20M gap + cover that huge gap that keeps increasing in all those other countries.
To be quite honest, not even in the most optimistic Microsoft expectations they will catch up to Sony this gen worldwide to make it as competitive as last gen. The strategy seems to be regain UK+US top status and not continue to be outsold 2:1 the rest of the way worldwide.
Cool, slightly misunderstood your post.
Yeah the only 3rd parties that carrying PS4 this christmas are COD: IW and Watch Dogs 2 which is weaker than the Blops 3+ Star Wars combo of 2015.
I think TLG might surprise some people in a good way as an exclusive if it's game length isn't extremely short.
Streaming is on the way up but it's nice to have the blu ray drive feature.
4k streaming is heavily demanding on users bandwidth and doesn't provide the same quality in sound and picture as a UHD disk.
I'm getting a Pro but I would've liked the drive included because my net sucks.
That was just the past weeks, not to mention there's been very attractive new Xbox slim bundles brining the price down to £199 with games.
SmartWaffles
Member
Dropping physical, both games and media will not work in the foressable future as long as data cap and shit tier ISP service continue to be a thing in US and Australia.
Yes sure, i care about it now, too. But in 2013 i cared about Blu-Rays and FullHD. Didn't even had a streaming subscription. Good 55 inc 4K TV's were virtually unaffordable.
So the One S wouldn't have made the big difference back then, but thats just my opinion.
Despite that, the One S is a pretty good thing to buy today. But i won't chose my console by the ability of playing UHD-BR's - so it's the PS4 Pro for me.
After xmas is before xmas.
Perhaps the Xbox One S could be a reason that might influence sales on UHD, both influencing each other.
VincentMatts
Member
And who's everybody? Last time I went into one of those threads it was filled with people saying they dont know who this is for
wapplew
Member
NPD placement aside, true worrying sign is YoY down pass few months.
Like it or not, OneS have affect overall value perception of PS4 slim. Sony need to do something to rejuvenate interest.
SensibleSucker
Member
Because considering dropping physical media worked so well for MS last time (Xbone pre-launch).
In all seriousness, people still really value physical. Sony have basically taken a strategic decision with viewing media that MS thought work fly with gaming. That people would prefer to stream/download games than buy boxed.
Just like MS with download only gaming, I think Sony got this one wrong. The big mistake is taking away people's choice. Give them the option to stream. But take away their option to play physical media and people will object.
