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[Rentahamster]

Cognitive dissonance, the thread. C'mon guys, this isn't a good look. Just accept the consequences and move on.

 

[chbrevolution]

To me this is really meaningless. Bernie was going to lose no matter how you slice it. Him and his supporters committed the cardinal sin of pissing off black voters specifically black women. That ended his chances of winning. Black women are the new king or queen makers in Democratic politics and they were all in for Hillary. After the South Carolina primary when Bernie basically said their votes didn't matter and they weren't as "smart" as his voters, that was a wrap.

 

[TestOfTide]

Cognitive dissonance, the thread. C'mon guys, this isn't a good look. Just accept the consequences and move on.

Just to be clear, I'm not disagreeing with the decision to sever ties with Donna. Donna was at best being a reckless gossip monger and at worst was trying to undermine Bernie.

I'm just disagreeing with the notion that Hillary only won because of things like this, when in reality Hillary is the kind of candidate that would have been prepared for a flint question even without Donna telling her about the question.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

I feel legitimately guilty, because nowadays every story is made to be a huge deal and I've grown apathetic to trying to find out whether something is a big deal or not. I mean, I assume this is another situation where it's not a good look but ultimately isn't that bad, but I just can't tell anymore.

 

[Chiggs]

To me this is really meaningless. Bernie was going to lose no matter how you slice it. Him and his supporters committed the cardinal sin of pissing off black voters specifically black women. That ended his chances of winning. Black women are the new king or queen makers in Democratic politics and they were all in for Hillary. After the South Carolina primary when Bernie basically said their votes didn't matter and they weren't as "smart" as his voters, that was a wrap.

Unethical behavior is fine when you know you're going to win. Brilliant.

Begs the question: why did she do it in the first place if victory was so assured?

 

[diablos991]

To me this is really meaningless. Bernie was going to lose no matter how you slice it. Him and his supporters committed the cardinal sin of pissing off black voters specifically black women. That ended his chances of winning. Black women are the new king or queen makers in Democratic politics and they were all in for Hillary. After the South Carolina primary when Bernie basically said their votes didn't matter and they weren't as "smart" as his voters, that was a wrap.

Stealing that car is fine because that guy was going to wreck it anyway.

 

[diunxx]

Lol at all this ethics talk, yeah I'm sure Bernie would have marked those emails as spam, now go ahead and vote for the orange atrocitie at least he is not THAT corrupt.

 

[Ponn]

There are literally people in this thread who are using petty shit like what Donna did as an excuse to claim that Hillary is just as bad as Donald Trump and that therefor they won't be voting for either.

What, the same couple posters who say the same shit in EVERY Hillary thread? You want to shut down discussion because of them? Or do you want to just ignore any criticism of the DNC at all because trust me, there are definitely some hardcore democrats that blindly tow the DNC line on this board. And before you try to handwaive THAT of with "Both sides" bullshit, its not. DNC has a real problem going forward that needs to be addressed. You can't ignore people that were disenfranchised over this because there are alot of Bernie supporters that bit their lip and are voting Hillary during the election. You want to see them vote during non-presidential terms? Don't ignore them or make fun of them, take this shit seriously. These are just the things that came to light, people are rightfully thinking what else took place that didn't come to light. This is not good, DNC chairs should not be pulling this shit. Period. No excuse.

 

[Atom Heart Mother]

they got a question before hand and still lost MI to bernie lmao

 

[Chiggs]

Lol at all this ethics talk, yeah I'm sure Bernie would have marked those emails as spam, now go ahead and vote for the orange atrocitie at least he is not THAT corrupt.

Nice try. Hate to break it you, but just because we find Brazile's behavior to be awful, and think that Bernie was a better candidate, sure as heck doesn't mean we're going off the deep end when we vote.

 

[Xe4]

Good riddance. Thank the gods for the leaks.

Not leaks. Hacks perpitrated by the Russian government to influence the US election. There's a huge difference. Just because there was a positive effect here doesn't mean the release of the emails wasn't morally and ethically bankrupt.

 

[diablos991]

Not leaks. Hacks perpitrated by the Russian government to influence the US election. There's a huge difference. Just because there was a positive effect here doesn't mean the release od the emails wasn't morally and ethically bankrupt.

When is exposing corruption not a good idea?

 

[Atom Heart Mother]

When is exposing corruption not a good idea?

because its the side i agree with so i don't want anything to happen

 

[chbrevolution]

Unethical behavior is fine when you know you're going to win. Brilliant.

Begs the question: why did she do it in the first place if victory was so assured?

Stealing that car is fine because that guy was going to wreck it anyway.

Hillary didn't tell Donna to do it. If she asked then that would be something totally different. If someone told you questions that were going to be on a test unsolicited, does that make you "unethical" when you take the test?

 

[Chiggs]

Hillary didn't tell Donna to do it.

I never said she did. This is more about Brazile, who is a joke.

 

[diablos991]

Hillary didn't tell Donna to do it. If she asked then that would be something totally different. If someone told you questions that were going to be on a test unsolicited, does that make you "unethical" when you take the test?

If my friend gives me a car that is stolen I'm going to disclose that and turn my friend in because I'm ethical.

In this case Donna stole the car and gave it to Hillary who may or may not have used it but turned the other cheek.

Don't act like Hillary is ethical in this scenario.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Hillary didn't tell Donna to do it. If she asked then that would be something totally different. If someone told you questions that were going to be on a test unsolicited, does that make you "unethical" when you take the test?

No, of course not, they would burn the test, get the student expelled and demand the teacher come up with an entirely new set of questions, because they're the purest of snowflakes. (la la land)

 

[Xe4]

When is exposing corruption not a good idea?

When it's a foreign power launching a cyber attack to give an influence the election to benifit one candidate, and there may be evidence said candidate cooperated with that government.

because its the side i agree with so i don't want anything to happen

I wouldn't condone the RNC or any of Trump's Canpaign emails getting hacked either, not that it would ever happen, cause it's incredibly obvious Russia wants Trump to win, just as they do every far right candidate in the Western world.

 

[chbrevolution]

Nice try. Hate to break it you, but just because we find Brazile's behavior to be awful, and think that Bernie was a better candidate, sure as heck doesn't mean we're going off the deep end when we vote.

Bernie was a terrible candidate. How can you be a good democratic candidate and not appeal to black voters.

I never said she did. This is more about Brazile, who is a joke.

People want to make it about Hillary though.

 

[Ponn]

If someone told you questions that were going to be on a test unsolicited, does that make you "unethical" when you take the test?

If the test was secret from everyone, yes, yes it does. It's called cheating, most schools and colleges there would be consequences. Jeebus people. This is mostly about the DNC right now, but come on, lets not be obtuse about this shit.

 

[diablos991]

When it's a foreign power launching a cyber attack to give an influence the election to benifit one candidate, and there may be evidence said candidate cooperated with that government.


I wouldn't condone the RNC or any of Trump's Canpaign emails getting hacked either, not that it would ever happen, cause it's incredibly obvious Russia wants Trump to win, just as they do every far right candidate in the Western world.

Maybe if the DNC and GOP weren't into such shady shit this wouldn't be a concern.

Our government got us into this position by doing shady shit.

 

[Blader]

I don't have any issue with this, other than it's the height of hypocrisy to chastise Brazile for this while keeping Lewandowski on the payroll.

Also, talk about an unforced error. If there's a debate in Michigan, I think it's pretty safe to say that there's going to be a question about lead. Why would you go through the risk of forwarding a question like that in advance? This was not going to be some incredible, debate-ending gotcha question that she was able to tip them off to. Just pointless.

 

[rjinaz]

When is exposing corruption not a good idea?

Are you seriously saying you are fine with Russia hacking everybody as long as "corruption" is exposed? IS that what has become of Trumpers? Also lol at corruption.

 

[Chiggs]

People want to make it about Hillary though.

I'll definitely grant you that.

 

[Dude Abides]

Cognitive dissonance, the thread. C'mon guys, this isn't a good look. Just accept the consequences and move on.

Pointless meta-commentary, the post.

Who is saying this is a good look?

 

[studyguy]

I don't have any issue with this, other than it's the height of hypocrisy to chastise Brazile for this while keeping Lewandowski on the payroll.

Also, talk about an unforced error. If there's a debate in Michigan, I think it's pretty safe to say that there's going to be a question about lead. Why would you go through the risk of forwarding a question like that in advance? This was not going to be some incredible, debate-ending gotcha question that she was able to tip them off to. Just pointless.

It does in the end, tomorrow in French class you'll be having test about French. Be ready for it.
It's like yeah okay thanks for the tip capt obvious.

 

[diablos991]

I don't have any issue with this, other than it's the height of hypocrisy to chastise Brazile for this while keeping Lewandowski on the payroll.

Also, talk about an unforced error. If there's a debate in Michigan, I think it's pretty safe to say that there's going to be a question about lead. Why would you go through the risk of forwarding a question like that in advance? This was not going to be some incredible, debate-ending gotcha question that she was able to tip them off to. Just pointless.

Donna was trying to earn them good old Hillary favor points because we all see how those pay off. Probably wasn't thinking about the scenario where she gets caught.

 

[Atom Heart Mother]

Are you seriously saying you are fine with Russia hacking everybody as long as "corruption" is exposed? IS that what has become of Trumpers? Also lol at corruption.

Of course nobody is condoning hacking, but Brazille was playing unfairly and trying to help Hillary (I'm not saying Hillary commanded her to get the question). It's unfair to the process and to the other candidates. It is something that should've been exposed, whatever way it had to be done. RNC probably does this too. To me it is an interesting look behind the scenes.

 

[Xe4]

Maybe if the DNC and GOP weren't into such shady shit this wouldn't be a concern.

Our government got us into this position by doing shady shit.

First of all, the DNC and RNC aren't government orginizations, so I don't see how our government got us into this.

Secondly, no they're not perfect orginizations, no private entity is. But the sum total of the "corruption" in the DNC is giving a debate schedule that prefer Hillary, and one guy saying we should attack Bernie, then that never happening.

The sum total of corruption in the Clinton campaign we've found is one lady emailing the manager about a question, and no indication of followup up on that. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary was not even told. I certainly wouldn't bother. It's Michigan, of course there's going to be a question about Flint.

You keep bringing up the car stolen analogy, but that's not apt. A better analogy is a student reading the test beforehand, and telling you a type of question that will be on there, even though your professor already told you there was going to be that type of question on the test.

It's unethical of the lady, no doubt, and I suporrt CNN lettting her go, but you're doing yourself no favors by the stolen car analogy.

 

[diablos991]

First of all, the DNC and RNC aren't government orginizations, so I don't see how our government got us into this.

Secondly, no they're not perfect orginizations, no private entity is. But the sum total of the "corruption" in the DNC is giving a debate schedule that prefer Hillary,

Our government did this because our government is literally a product of these two private entities.
That private entity is bullshit and needs to change.

Sure they aren't labeled as government but these two entities exist to churn out nothing but politicians and policy. They also have a stranglehold on our nation. Lets not pretend they aren't part of the government.

 

[BoboBrazil]

If anything Clinton should be commended for the answer she gave through email. It shows she really cares and isn't just bullshit.

 

[Xe4]

Our government did this because our government is literally a product of these two private entities.
That private entity is bullshit and needs to change.

Sure they aren't labeled as government but these two entities exist to churn out nothing but politicians and policy. They also have a stranglehold on our nation. Lets not pretend they aren't part of the government.

I agree that the FPTP system and this two party system is dumb, but it sounds like you're complaining about the idea of political parties in general.

No duh 99% of all politicians belong to a major political party, that's true for all nations and is a product of human social dynamics. The differece is in America, those 99% come from two parties instead of four or five.

 

[jack_package_200]

Just to be clear, I'm not disagreeing with the decision to sever ties with Donna. Donna was at best being a reckless gossip monger and at worst was trying to undermine Bernie.

I'm just disagreeing with the notion that Hillary only won because of things like this, when in reality Hillary is the kind of candidate that would have been prepared for a flint question even without Donna telling her about the question.

Describes my view completely.

What Donna did was unethical and wrong. However this does not change that Hillary very handily won in a not close race. Hell Bernie did a lot better than anyone thought.

 

[Esiquio]

The "Sent from Donna's I Pad" just kills me. That had to be manually edited to be incorrect like that.

Spoiler

I can be a freak about this nonsense.

 

[Rentahamster]

Who is saying this is a good look?

As far as I can tell, no one. But my comment isn't trying to imply that people are.

 

[SirClinksAlot]

She should be fired. Hilarious to see Gaffers try and justify their votes for a fucking white supremacist, though. OMG the Clintons are so dirty im going to vote for the Nazi!

 

[Atom Heart Mother]

She should be fired. Hilarious to see Gaffers try and justify their votes for a fucking white supremacist, though. OMG the Clintons are so dirty im going to vote for the Nazi!

Posts like these legitimately make me angry. I hate seeing people have 0 respect and name an entire base of different voters just because of what some people said and did. I'm voting for Hillary because I think Trump is all talk, but I don't call my father or mother a racist and a horrible person for voting for Trump. Stop pushing such awful, toxic insults on to a huge base of people and have respect. Acting like this makes you stoop to their low level. What happened to "when they go low, we go high"? You're not going high, you're going lower. If you like Trump, good for you. I disagree with you, but it is your opinion and right to vote for who you want. I'll respect your vote.

Sorry for the rant, this is just my BIGGEST issue with this election.

 

[SirClinksAlot]

Posts like these legitimately make me angry. I hate seeing people have 0 respect and name an entire base of different voters just because of what some people said and did. I'm voting for Hillary because I think Trump is all talk, but I don't call my father or mother a racist and a horrible person for voting for Trump. Stop pushing such awful, toxic insults on to a huge base of people and have respect. Acting like this makes you stoop to their low level. What happened to "when they go low, we go high"? You're not going high, you're going lower. If you like Trump, good for you. I disagree with you, but it is your opinion and right to vote for who you want. I'll respect your vote.

Sorry for the rant, this is just my BIGGEST issue with this election.

I mean, your parents are literally voting for a racist, sexist piece of human garbage. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Stating facts isn't "going low".

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Posts like these legitimately make me angry. I hate seeing people have 0 respect and name an entire base of different voters just because of what some people said and did. I'm voting for Hillary because I think Trump is all talk, but I don't call my father or mother a racist and a horrible person for voting for Trump. Stop pushing such awful, toxic insults on to a huge base of people and have respect. Acting like this makes you stoop to their low level. What happened to "when they go low, we go high"? You're not going high, you're going lower. If you like Trump, good for you. I disagree with you, but it is your opinion and right to vote for who you want. I'll respect your vote.

Sorry for the rant, this is just my BIGGEST issue with this election.

Weird, that's what I call mine.

 

[Alucrid]

Posts like these legitimately make me angry. I hate seeing people have 0 respect and name an entire base of different voters just because of what some people said and did. I'm voting for Hillary because I think Trump is all talk, but I don't call my father or mother a racist and a horrible person for voting for Trump. Stop pushing such awful, toxic insults on to a huge base of people and have respect. Acting like this makes you stoop to their low level. What happened to "when they go low, we go high"? You're not going high, you're going lower. If you like Trump, good for you. I disagree with you, but it is your opinion and right to vote for who you want. I'll respect your vote.

Sorry for the rant, this is just my BIGGEST issue with this election.

why are your parents voting for trump?

 

[Atom Heart Mother]

I mean, your parents are literally voting for a racist, sexist piece of human garbage. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Stating facts isn't "going low".

you're going low by calling them nazis which deeply offends me as someone who comes from a military background, my family had ww2 vets. Trump supporters call all Hillary supporters 'poor, corrupt, paid shills', but I'm none of those. That isn't very fair, is it? No. Just more respect please, this whole election is just awful and toxic.

why are your parents voting for trump?

Because my father and mother are angry that our family lost our business of 40 years due to high taxes and regulations. They think Trump is more in line with what they want, and you know what? I don't care, let them vote. They respect me for voting for Hillary and I respect them. I don't care who you are, my parents or not, I'll respectfully debate with you over it, no name calling. Stooping to calling people nazis kinda undermines you.

 

[TestOfTide]

What, the same couple posters who say the same shit in EVERY Hillary thread? You want to shut down discussion because of them? Or do you want to just ignore any criticism of the DNC at all because trust me, there are definitely some hardcore democrats that blindly tow the DNC line on this board. And before you try to handwaive THAT of with "Both sides" bullshit, its not. DNC has a real problem going forward that needs to be addressed. You can't ignore people that were disenfranchised over this because there are alot of Bernie supporters that bit their lip and are voting Hillary during the election. You want to see them vote during non-presidential terms? Don't ignore them or make fun of them, take this shit seriously. These are just the things that came to light, people are rightfully thinking what else took place that didn't come to light. This is not good, DNC chairs should not be pulling this shit. Period. No excuse.

You want to get into DNC criticism. Sure. They clearly like the idea of politicians working up the ladder definitively instead of simply hurrying from A to Z. That's why they were in favor of Hillary during the 2008 primaries. I personally like that attitude, but I understand that it can turn off even semi-antiestablishment types.

With regards to actual collusion, there is next to nothing. All I can think of is the debate schedule and this thing with Donna Brazille. And sorry but the DNC emails showed at worst some DNC staff saying very rude things about Bernie's campaign in private.

And no one was "disenfranchised" by the DNC. Hillary won by more than 3 million votes and won a majority of pledged delegates (as in the non-super delegates), so unless you got proof that the DNC literally rigged the Primaries at the voting booths and caucuses, no disenfranchisement occurred by the DNC.

And the VAST majority of Bernie fans are already very much behind Hillary. It's just the green deplorable types like Glen Greenwald that still don't back Hillary because they were never about Bernie's actual platform but instead we're just obsessed with being AntiHillary and antiestablishment.

And speculating about "what didn't come to light" is literally conspiracy theory bullshit.

But again, yes we will eventually need to as a society have a serious talk about the DNC and about neoliberalism. How about we wait until AFTER we stop the global rise of the literally fascist far right, because right now neoliberalism is going to be necessary to stop the rise of far right fascists.

Posts like these legitimately make me angry. I hate seeing people have 0 respect and name an entire base of different voters just because of what some people said and did. I'm voting for Hillary because I think Trump is all talk, but I don't call my father or mother a racist and a horrible person for voting for Trump. Stop pushing such awful, toxic insults on to a huge base of people and have respect. Acting like this makes you stoop to their low level. What happened to "when they go low, we go high"? You're not going high, you're going lower. If you like Trump, good for you. I disagree with you, but it is your opinion and right to vote for who you want. I'll respect your vote.

Sorry for the rant, this is just my BIGGEST issue with this election.

I get that it sucks when it becomes about people among your friends and family (and I am actually being genuine about that. I remember when I was dealing with that horror), but you have to understand that this isn't some Romney vs Obama type of election.

I mean for fucks sake, Trump has literally been caught bragging about sexual assault, yet these Trump voters are deplorable enough to handwave it away as "locker room talk". We are talking about the kinds of actions that 1/3 of all women are victim to, but these Trump fans care so damn much about party over country that they will vote for him anyway.

And it has gotten to the point that we have to realize that there is a very big chunk of America that would literally rather take a bullet to the head than admit that their nominee is unqualified for office. These aren't people who are going to suddenly learn the error of their ways if we as nice to them. Most of these are people who the best we can hope for is that they get shamed and humiliated by society until they stop being openly bigoted.

 

[Price Dalton]

Looks like Donna did it more than just twice.

 

[studyguy]

Posts like these legitimately make me angry. I hate seeing people have 0 respect and name an entire base of different voters just because of what some people said and did. I'm voting for Hillary because I think Trump is all talk, but I don't call my father or mother a racist and a horrible person for voting for Trump. Stop pushing such awful, toxic insults on to a huge base of people and have respect. Acting like this makes you stoop to their low level. What happened to "when they go low, we go high"? You're not going high, you're going lower. If you like Trump, good for you. I disagree with you, but it is your opinion and right to vote for who you want. I'll respect your vote.

Sorry for the rant, this is just my BIGGEST issue with this election.

Unfortunately you don't get to pick and choose what you get with your choice of president. I'm not on board with Clinton's stance on the death penalty, but there it is, made peace with it and still voting for her. I think it's abhorrent to have that stance on that's for capital punishment, but I have to make due. Trump comes with the rest of the baggage, even if you ignore it and vote for the man you're still complicit in pushing the ideas forward.

 

[Escape Goat]

 

[shoplifter]

I'm very torn on this. Even though I don't believe that the primaries are an official function of our democracy stuff like this shouldn't be happening and poisons the faith that people have as participants in them. At the same time I don't believe that this information is being leaked to shed light on corruption as much as its being leaked to drive a wedge into the Democratic caucus and I don't like being manipulated.

When they're funded and run by the states in most cases they sure as hell are.

I mean, your parents are literally voting for a racist, sexist piece of human garbage. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Stating facts isn't "going low".

'cut them out if your life, you're better off without them anyway' - GAF

 

[Green Yoshi]

People really think this is going to hurt Hillary this election? Come on now. Thinking of a President Trump makes my skin fucking crawl. Every time I see him speak on TV I get nauseous. At this point there is nothing she can do that would stop me from voting for her, oh wait, I already did!

A President Clinton will be devestating for the Middle East. I don't trust her judgment. Obama says Libya was a mistake, she still thinks she did everything right.

Trump would be a lame duck, because neither congress nor senate will tolerate his whims.

 

[SirClinksAlot]

you're going low by calling them nazis which deeply offends me as someone who comes from a military background, my family had ww2 vets. Trump supporters call all Hillary supporters 'poor, corrupt, paid shills', but I'm none of those. That isn't very fair, is it? No. Just more respect please, this whole election is just awful and toxic.



Because my father and mother are angry that our family lost our business of 40 years due to high taxes and regulations. They think Trump is more in line with what they want, and you know what? I don't care, let them vote. They respect me for voting for Hillary and I respect them. I don't care who you are, my parents or not, I'll respectfully debate with you over it, no name calling. Stooping to calling people nazis kinda undermines you.

Sorry man. I know you love your parents, but they are voting for a racist, sexist scumbag. The man is literally followed by white nationalists. He speaks to white nationalism. His slogan is literally a call to bring America back to the good times. You know, when black people knew their place and we were nice and segregated. No, I don't have to respect people who vote for a fucking white nationalist.

 

[Atom Heart Mother]

Trump would be a lame duck, because neither congress nor senate will tolerate his whims.

Yeah, this is honestly maybe the best outcome. I'm holding my nose for Hillary (but not like it matters, my state has been blue for 20+ years, so might as well go with the flow), but this would happen for him and Bernie, to be honest.

 

[TestOfTide]

A President Clinton will be devestating for the Middle East. I don't trust her judgment. Obama says Libya was a mistake, she still thinks she did everything right.

Trump would be a lame duck, because neither congress nor senate will tolerate his whims.

Thanks for showing you don't know a damn thing about our Nuclear Arsenal.

If Trump becomes president and then decides to launch some nukes, the military is obligated to obey his strike order unless they want to start the first Coup De Tat in the history of the US.