It is basically the equivalent of the regular PS4 version, just that it runs in full 1080p resolution instead of dynamic 900p-1080p on the PS4.
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Digital Foundry: Final Fantasy 15: PS4 Pro Gameplay - First Look/Tech Analysis
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It is basically the equivalent of the regular PS4 version, just that it runs in full 1080p resolution instead of dynamic 900p-1080p on the PS4.
Stuttering due to the frames not being put out in the right sequence.
Feels similar to when the framerate is actually dropping.
Although in this case it isn't
Its putting out a constant 30 frames... in the wrong order.
Hey hey
In theory, at a higher framerate, frame pacing issues become less and less noticeable right? What would the cut-off point be?
metalmachine
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Thanks for this!
Backfoggen
Banned
Fix frame pacing, reduce the blur and you will have yourself one good looking game.
You would think that even if they aren't paying attention to the English community, the wouldn't ignore the Japanese one, surely?
Does anyone know if From Software ever even acknowledged the issue in BB or DS3?
See two guys : A and B. Both are walking 60 meters in 60 seconds.
A walks one meter in one second. His movement is smooth, no problem here.
But B walks one meter in one second, then one meter in 0.5 seconds, then another mether in 1.5 seconds etc.
In the end, both achieved the same distance in the same time (that's why both FFXV versions are 30fps) but while A moved in a smooth way, the B movement was jaggy, irregular, and overall absolutely not smooth at all.
B is suffering from frame pacing issues. Frames aren't timed correctly, causing the same feeling as when framerate drops but it actually doesn't.
LowParry
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nelsonroyale
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Thanks for this. This video really highlights some of the differences between HQ and LQ settings (well aside from frame pacing). Differences in shadow quality seem pretty evident as well as IQ.
I got a question, pretty please.
When I am playing with rivatuner, sometimes I see games that keep 60 fps, and the frametime is almost 16.6 ms, but there is some variation on a small range on arround that number, only decimals usually.
I don't see anything wrong while playing. Is that normal? Is it imperceptible? Is rivatuner not perfect?
mckmas8808
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YES!
Insane Metal
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Apart from a few scenes here and there (while driving the LOD is clearly better in the HQ mode) I thought the Light Mode looked better 
Yautja_Warrior
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Hopefully it gets fixed but Bloodborne and the Souls games didn't become unplayable because of a bit of judder, so I'm not really worried about it.
Always-honest
Banned
I hope so. I need to play it downscaled, by the looks of it.
I keep hearing about this, and how it was a problem in Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 and stuff, but I have literally never noticed it. I get what it is, and I've grown more susceptible to frame dips and stuff as I've gotten older, but I've never once noticed frame-pacing being jerky or anything like that.
The stuttering is so severe.
The game looks so good when you stand still,then you start moving and the stuttering is maddening xO
Like a lot of technical issues, some people just don't notice it at all, and some others are annoyed by it the second it comes.
I have a friend who simply can't see when there's tearing in a game, even huge and obvious ones like in a lot of PS3 games.
If you never noticed stutter in Bloodborne, your eyes are broken.
Here's what I want to know:
If Square-Enix fixes frame pacing, miraculously, even though it seems to be an ever-present issue on PS4... what is the purpose of low-quality mode???
nelsonroyale
Member
Apart from a few scenes here and there (while driving the LOD is clearly better in the HQ mode) I thought the Light Mode looked better
Weird...I can see the differences (though they are often subtle). Some of the rendering even looks better, such as on vegetation.
I presume the low quality mode is intended to be 1080p/60fps in the final game.
With the high quality mode faux 4K/ 30fps.
Although I would call any mode with 60fps high quality myself.
Nachtfalke
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Frame pacing issues are worse than frame drops for me. If there are some drops here and there, I could live with that, but incorrect frame pacing is hard to deal with. Bloodborne was some tour de force for me, literally. But the game was so amazing I kept playing. Was worth the hassle.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Shadows looked noticeably better in the Light mode or am I crazy?
falconxcrunner09
Member
I kinda don't want to play this until I get a PS4 Pro, and a 4K TV with HDR.
I have been waiting 10 years for this and I want to experience it in the best possible way, but I don't think I can wait any longer. :/
I have been waiting 10 years for this and I want to experience it in the best possible way, but I don't think I can wait any longer. :/
I've definitely noticed the game lag when there's a bunch of shit going on at once, like when Vicar Amelia sets on fire, but I've never noticed it judder.
Also, I think they're going for 60FPS for the lightweight mode, 30FPS on the HQ mode.
Considering the only company making OLED screens are LG, you may be waiting a while.
They're missing a ton of AF and vastly better AA, I say they're missing quite a bit. One of the biggest problems this has on OG ps4 is image quality issues and the pro takes care of that.
artsi
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BakedTanooki
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Fix the frame pacing problems, and I will be super happy with the high quality mode on the PS4 Pro
I dunno, I just replaced my old monitor with a 21:9 25" LG ultrawide for 200$ CAD. Prices will come down, it'll just take time.
nelsonroyale
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I think you are seeing the opposite, shadows look noticibly more detailed on HQ settings. I mean it could be slight differences in ToD, but it looks like shadows at a distance have more nuance on HQ/more basic on LQ.
BakedTanooki
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Still stuttering, like it doesn't run with stable 30fps, even if it does.
That's how you could imagine and see it
I can agree with the AF (same as LOD), but the game looks pretty crisp on OG, the IQ is fairly good IMO.
Doesn't help that the AA solution on the HQ mode is pretty bad, but that can be patched I guess.
Peterthumpa
Member
Haha, just forget it. Bloodborne has the same problem and we always have the same "oh my God, the framepacing is fucking garbage, unplayable, etc" and they all end up playing and enjoying the freaking game.
Don't try to look for it. Some people just enjoy pixel counting and pointing at stupid things than rather play the damn games. Just enjoy it without worrying about anything else besides having fun.
BD2 takes in a bunch of feedback on social media and their forums. I tweeted your frame-pacing analysis to their twitter accounts.
Nice way to try to dodge the obvious problems a game has.
John Wick
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Hmm! Wonder where all the people who were calling out Nxgamer earlier for stating it's 1800p uprendered are?
shinobi602
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If the framepacing is "as bad" as Bloodborne's, then I'm perfectly fine with it. I didn't even notice it in the game, heck I hardly know what it is. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
They promissed that Fast mode will have higher framerate, which means we are guaranteed to get at least one performance patch for the game.
Yeah, I only really noticed bad performance in BB when the game started completely stalling [with screeching audio] in short bursts in some areas of the game.
Yeah, I only really noticed bad performance in BB when the game started completely stalling [with screeching audio] in short bursts in some areas of the game.