Deckard Chapel
Banned
Lol!
Did you play "The Last Of Us"??
Joel clears out entire towns of people/creatures in brutally efficient style.
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Ellie is the main playable character in The Last of Us: Part II
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Lol!
Did you play "The Last Of Us"??
Joel clears out entire towns of people/creatures in brutally efficient style.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I mean look at her face.
Spike Spiegel
Member
Gamers projecting their hatred of Joel for not sacrificing another daughter to the greater good onto Ellie.
There are quite a few of them on GAF.
Applesauce
Boom! Bitch-slapped!
Well she was full of them in the first game, especially with Bill. She cracked me up during that part of the game. I don't expect her to change in that regard, well at least I hope she doesn't.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Did you play "The Last Of Us - Winter" or "The Last Of Us: Left Behind"?
Ellie clears out entire towns of people/creatures in brutally efficient style.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
I mean if you're gonna be posting Milo's shit while complaining about men being feminists you'd be much more welcome on kotakuinaction or voat instead of a progressive forum, because no one here likes assholes. Ellie is literally singing after having killed a bunch of people with fresh wounds and somehow this won't be visceral, Joel hasn't done anywhere near this metal.
Huh what? Joel at the final chapters of TLOU is basically a walking killing machine.
Big Chungus
Member
is this going to be like the sixth sense and joel will be haunting her?
He's talking about the killing and than sit down to sing (i think)
So did you stop playing the game during the Winter chapter.
Post is just full of bigotry, labeling and grouping ideas about hate together as if they are invariably connected, based off of a small amount of information given in the post.
Whatever. 👫
BronsonLee
Member
Crossing Eden with dem FFXV spoilers droppin', thx for that
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Or that he turned out to be the same as the rest. Wanting to get rid of her every step of the way. Lying to her when she wanted the absolute truth.
But yeah, projections.
Darryl M R
Member
I would argue that killing and soon after singing a light hearted song in the dust of your battle is more metal.
The disconnect she can have between what she just did to the point she decides to break into song is more interesting and brings into the question of her mental state and how she views her actions.
Isn't that when you control Ellie? Yea he felt uncomfortable by that.
TimeEffect
Member
See, I always hated Nathan drake because he felt like a douchebag. I really don't love uncharted or it's characters and last of us helped me see how right I was
But everything Joel did felt justified. Not sure why people want him to die or why they think his lie matters so much. I don't see any of that even being mentioned in part 2
Garrett Hawke
Member
Milo is literally a white supremacist so yes, everything he has to say belongs in that label.
Is that a problem?
Fakeknowledge
Member
Given the brilliant "backstory" if you like that we have in TLoU she's certainly primed for it.
Heather Mason looking shook right now.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
And? Joel was the killer in question. Joel has killed more people over the years than Ellie. He is far more brutal and metal than Ellie. He's had to be to survive.
This.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Like...lol
Its almost as if he can't just take the L and admit that his comment was stupid af, makes no sense, is an embarrassment and just call it a day. At this point, this isn't a disagreement so when will he stop treating it like one?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
He never sang about killing his enemies afterwards though, especially not while bleeding. She was 14 and made it past a shit ton of men who should easily be able to outmaneuver her.
ChoklitCow
Member
Yall can't rain on my happy parade.
Here is a small grab of goofy mocap faces of Ashley from TLoU panel
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Here is a small grab of goofy mocap faces of Ashley from TLoU panel
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Give War A Chance
Member
Uhh... what?
Joel wasn't unlikable. His decision at the end was surely questionable, but it's a logical and not unreasonable decision for a man to make when he wants to protect someone.
Might be wrong, might be right.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
*sigh*
I don't like Ellie and playing as her will be unbearable for me.
What about those of us that liked playing as Joel?!?
Hype deflated 100%
Ellie was weak in the first game which made combat encounter much harder. After 5 years of training there is no reason to think that she won't be a competent killer.
I have said Ellie will surpass Lara Croft as the biggest female character in gaming if they did a sequel. Now that we know she is the lead with ND's writing, directing and use of excellent voice actors it is about to happen. Druckmann said the first game was her origin story and now it's her time to shine. Aloy, Ellie and Kat. Sony going in hard with strong female protagonists.
TONX
Distinguished Air Superiority
Then don't play it? Move along please for the people who are excited to play this game regardless of the gender and age of the character.
Darryl M R
Member
We need Emilia Clake doing mocap for AAA so we can finally have next generation eyebrow expressions.
I'll also miss playing as Joel but remember, Ellie was only 14 in the first game and was pretty inexperienced, all things considered, when it came to fighting. This is 5 years later, so not only has she grown physically but I imagine she is a far more capable fighter now. I don't reckon she'll be able to match the pure strength and brutality of Joel when it comes to close quarter battles, but she will definitely be more of a presence than in the first game, where her melee hits did not interrupt enemy animations and she was limited to the knife. She'll likely be able to pick up and use melee weapons and choke out enemies now as well.
broscientific
Member
What's the difference if Ellie is just as "metal" as Joel or not. Does that somehow make you feel better for having to play a female character? God forbid a female character has any feminity, she needs to be "brutal" or "visceral" or whatever else people are using to describe her.
Saying you'd play as a woman only on the condition that she's as much of a killing machine as the male lead from the first game is just as bad as saying you wouldn't play as a woman under any circumstances.
Don't try to sugarcoat your lack of ability to connect to a woman in any way by using her personality as an excuse.
Saying you'd play as a woman only on the condition that she's as much of a killing machine as the male lead from the first game is just as bad as saying you wouldn't play as a woman under any circumstances.
Don't try to sugarcoat your lack of ability to connect to a woman in any way by using her personality as an excuse.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
Why would they?
when she was 14 she was almost raped and chopped a dudes head into pieces for it.
She's killed many people herself, especially after the Hotel
She's killed many people herself, especially after the Hotel
In other words, why even ask that question? She's got anger in her face and I am dying to know why. If this girl was just trying to survive as a 14 year old, then as a 19 year old she should be hardened like Joel, in her own, brutal, unflinching and unhesitant way.
yukianderson
Member
Love the part II like the Godfather, part two will be better than the original. We could have lots of flashbacks with Joel. Ellie wouldn't kill Joel. Is only 4 years after Joel was in his 40s he could still go. The one thing I want to know of if Ellie knows that Joel lied and what did she do. Now that she's older I think she would agree with Joel decision or understand it. Is going to be epic ether way. From the looks of the trailer is going to be much more violent and bloody than part one.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
Ahh, okay.
That's more cold and distant behavior - but Joel jumps stupid through town - breaking skulls with his fists, ramming heads against walls, swinging lead pipes/breaking bones, shooting folks in the face and killing clickers left and right, covering himself and the streets in blood...and then turning around and smiling at Ellie, asking if she's OK.
That's metal.
BronsonLee
Member
I'm fuckin' dyin at dad power
I'm not sure if that's metal or mentally damaged
Darryl M R
Member
That just sounds like a father surviving with his child.
What you would expect a father to do. Bash skulls and console their child.
Truly nothing special or metal about consoling Ellie after killing.
Sounds like you are fantasizing fatherhood/parenthood.
Now a 19 year old girl seeking out a group of armed people to kill for her own reasons and then singing afterwards, no contest. You have a character that is not expected to act a certain way and she is able to be a cold blooded killer. Then you see her hand shake probably due to the emotions of killing and fighting. But then she just start singing.
C'mon now. If I had to face two bosses in Dark Souls and one of them just started singing after killing some people I would know that boss is metal.
tallbroski
Member
Awesome but i`m gonna miss being a dad simulator
Still hyped though
Still hyped though
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Man you can tell how many nuances are lost when they switch to the Ellie model but i'm sure it's because it's a WIP. I want a panel dedicated to the animation tech being used in this game.
Both.
A reasonable enough point, but Ellie was already very composed and good at killing people, so folks are just looking forward to seeing her again and having that continue.
broscientific
Member
This level of double standard is absolutely astounding. Imagine if everytime a standard triple-A came out with a white straight male as a lead, everyone who doesn't identify with that made sure to post their displeasure like you have.
He didn't sacrifice his first. What is that about? Why do you have to hate Joel to think that their relationship could strain as the years go on? This doesn't pick up the day after the first game. More crap could've happened in the meantime.
I love people dismissing hypotheticals because when none of us know what's up.
broscientific
Member
I didn't make it clear, but I was addressing the one or two people claiming that they enjoyed playing as Joel because he was violent and that if Ellie were violent as well, then they'd be OK with it.
Poor Lara Croft already forgotten.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
They'd be told to go make their own game by people like Deckard and Teh-CJ.
excelsiorlef
Member
To be fair that's in the context of the game play of the game. Where the brutality of survival was a key part of the game.
It would also be a huge divergence from Ellie's character if she didn't have brutality too as that was on display in spades in the first game
*Mercilessly
kills only surgeons left on planet earth
"what a great guy!"
Unfortunately, poor writing and/or direction often links closely with forgettability.
I don't recall ever hearing anyone disliking Joel, and then suddenly today I keep seeing comments like this popping up.
It's a load of crap, Joel is fantastic.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
All I said is I don't like Ellie. I didn't like her in the first game, and I'll probably like her even less in the sequel. She just doesn't appeal to me.
It's not that she's a female because I don't mind a female protagonist, I just don't like her attitude, I don't like her character design and I don't like her sullen, angsty-teen demeanor. I also don't like her character aesthetically - it's just a personal preference. I don't like Cait Sith in Final Fantasy VII because he's just too saccharine-sweet, goofy and poorly designed for my taste. Everyone has taste and opinions, the fact that people are jumping down my throat because of mine is ridiculous. I'm not attacking anyone, all I said was that I was disappointed that we play as Ellie and not Joel.
To be fair
He only kills one surgeon* after the guy threatens him with a knife
*(unless the player chooses to kill the rest)
He's one of the best characters I've ever seen in fiction and I adore him but he is fucking miles from "likable". Even pre-apocalypse he is clearly preoccupied and blunt.
Ellie is likable through and through.
Ehh it's pretty clear he kills the guy if you just walk into him. It's pure Joel to kill the guy, especially after what he just spent the last hour doing.
Darryl M R
Member
To be VERY clear that is not what you said:
Not Ellie the character, but any teenage girl. And you made sure to specify your age and sex.