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Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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LordKasual
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It was beautiful. As a city, there was nothing wrong with Altissia.
It's just a bit odd how it exists by itself within the scope of the game. I'd go there way more often if i didn't have to ask Umbra everytime i wanted to come and go.
I just finished and got some questions about the story, will keep they in spoilers tags in any case:
Who exactly was Ardyn ? I got he was from Lucii lineage but I didn't understood if he was a good or bad king cast out which lead him to seek revenge.
About the ending, I am still unsure if Noctis died or not or what the hell was that last scene with Luna. Maybe something that will remain without an answer ?
About the ending, I am still unsure if Noctis died or not or what the hell was that last scene with Luna. Maybe something that will remain without an answer ?
Yes! This would have been good. In the archives or the first time you meet umbra, just let us explore the book. Let us see how their book relationship was for all these years
This is the spoiler thread, you need no tags.
Ardyn was from the original, real Lucis lineage. He was a good, well meaning man using his power to save people from the daemon scourge. In the process, he became tainted by it and the old kings refused him as successor to the throne.
Someone from another family called Izunia(sic) then was chosen by the old kings and "usurped" the throne. Regis and Noctis are indeed NOT real Lucis heirs.
Ardyn stayed alive all these hundreds/thousands of years brewing a grudge and a scheme to get revenge.
At least that's what I pieced together from this mess of a narrative.
Noctis is most definitely dead.
djSyndrome
Member
Altissia reminds me of Limsa Lominsa in FF14 - beautiful to look at, right pain in the ass to navigate.
Not really spolierish, but did anyone else fine the trophies (and assuming XBO achievements are identical) completely uninspired? Nothing creative at all, just "achieve skill level X", "finish chapter Y" or "fulfill Z number of quests/hunts".
I would have liked some hidden ones with unique conditions :\
Not really spolierish, but did anyone else fine the trophies (and assuming XBO achievements are identical) completely uninspired? Nothing creative at all, just "achieve skill level X", "finish chapter Y" or "fulfill Z number of quests/hunts".
I would have liked some hidden ones with unique conditions :\
SunhiLegend
Member
You're never dead when time traveling is involved
LordKasual
Banned
This was a bit vague actually. It's entirely possible that he could have been usurped by another Lucis Caelum.
I fucking loved that segment. The bosses were pretty challenging! I got the Summon prompt during the fight but I decided not to call it. I was taking those two bastards down by my own hand.
That's why I set music and radio to 100 and sound-effects and voices to ~40-50. Highly recommending to tweak the settings so you can actually hear the music.
Found a nice playlist with all themes in order of appearance, it seems:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsuqUdfF2QQ&list=PLC02pFkh-IDEL2iAl2CoBJQIwSAnfCQul
And all battle themes, whew:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kunj5Yxw0Ow&index=12&list=PLC02pFkh-IDH4QGv53h_tEPWOw17G2Nrx
SkylineRKR
Member
One of the easiest platinums ever on Ps4. Did it within 60 hours but can be done way faster.
Yes this hadn't been made clear. Its not even confirmed that this particular Izunia fucked him over. Though you could interpret his 'you'll never guess who's name that was' as 'it was your real ancestor, lol'.
LordKasual
Banned
I fucking loved that segment. The bosses were pretty challenging! I got the Summon prompt during the fight but I decided not to call it. I was taking those two bastards down by my own hand.
Boy that was probably the biggest surprise in the game.
I was NOT expecting to get jumped that hard. Shit was amazing.
djSyndrome
Member
I have 1400 some trophies but have never picked up a platinum. This will likely be the first. Only have three left (including fishing. fuck fishing.)
Totally agree
I was pretty satisfied with Altissia. Anything bigger than that would've been unnecessary, IMO.
Tenebrae, though... I think that was my biggest disappointment in the entire game. It was such a tease, like the game was telling you: "You want to go up there, don't you? Yeah, you want to go up there. You want to go up there? WELL FUCK YOU, you can't have it."
Note, I said Accordo, not Altissia.
I don't want Altissia to be bigger, in fact it ends up being too large for it's purpose in XV really. But I want to see more of Accordo as an area, I mean it can't just be one city, surely.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I didnt get my first until Infamous 2 in 2011, now i have 22 of them. Get rid to join the party =)
SkylineRKR
Member
Yeah but in all fairness... what use would Tenebrae still have in this story?
For Versus it was already unveiled, and Stella hailed from there. In FFXV its in the Kingsglaive prologue were Sylva is killed, Luna and Ravus exile from. Maybe you could look around there to learn about Luna's life and put a royal arm there, though she's already gone when she was very young IIRC.
About those Royal arms too, Its weird that half of them are optional. In the final battle you're conjuring them all and canon wise you'll need them all.
For Versus it was already unveiled, and Stella hailed from there. In FFXV its in the Kingsglaive prologue were Sylva is killed, Luna and Ravus exile from. Maybe you could look around there to learn about Luna's life and put a royal arm there, though she's already gone when she was very young IIRC.
About those Royal arms too, Its weird that half of them are optional. In the final battle you're conjuring them all and canon wise you'll need them all.
my name is ed
Banned
Finished the game about a half hour ago. There's a really good story in there thats not presented the way it should be, but damn I got attached to the characters and the end wrecked me.
I had a shit ton of fun with this game despite the janky camera, inconsistent narrative and short main storyline (for an FF game). XIII had basically killed my interest in FF but XV has absolutely got it back
Edit: I wish I could get my hands on the art book for this game without having to pay a couple hundred
I had a shit ton of fun with this game despite the janky camera, inconsistent narrative and short main storyline (for an FF game). XIII had basically killed my interest in FF but XV has absolutely got it back
Edit: I wish I could get my hands on the art book for this game without having to pay a couple hundred
That would've been enough for me. Maybe also have access to at least a portion of the Fleuret family castle for a side quest or something that may shed more light on Luna's feelings/life.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Calling Altissa horrible is overstating it. At the very least it's a pretty husk of a city. It's problem is that it ultimately feels pointless and inorganic.
BigJonsson
Member
Costlemark Tower.............wow that was intense
I now have the locked door key, woot
I now have the locked door key, woot
Finished the game yesterday. Loved it though I'm not so sure about the story. Did I get it right that a guy named Izunia once was the chosen one and Ardyn as a king got jealous, killed him and because of that got punished with eternal life?
Would be great if they would give you the Knights of the Round summon after the ending.
Can someone link me a guide for the final Royal Arms?
Would be great if they would give you the Knights of the Round summon after the ending.
Can someone link me a guide for the final Royal Arms?
I mean just because Luna is gone by that point doesn't stop them from going there.
Ravus didn't have to be half baked as he was. He could have been related to some plot line in the Tenebrae area. Not to mention the ultimate goal by that point is getting the crystal back and destroying the empire. Tenebrae could have revolved around them weakening the Empires strength. The "End of days" could have been delayed by a few days, and thus the empire hadn't crumbled into daemons yet.
Thanks. Quite bad that the old kings decided for him to suffer for eternity.
To me, at least, seemed he was guiding Noctis so that he would be strong enough to kill him. Kinda of an ultimate suicide plan.
This mostly resumes my feelings towards the story and something I also got from playing Tabata games such as 3rd Birthday and Type 0.
He knows how to do characters and make us care about them, but he doesn't know how to escalate or properly explain conflict. From chapter 9 to the end of the game there's a big info dump and what was a fight against the empire suddenly became an apocalypse story. He needs to work into the build-up of his stories when making the conflict bigger.
The main characters, at least, and the journey part of the game were perfect. I wouldn't mind if the story was just getting the city back from the empire and that's it. No world to save, no darkness, no nothing.
SkylineRKR
Member
You got it mixed up. Ardyn was the healer of the people, he was chosen and ready to ascend. And then denied and replaced because he absorbed the plague into himself to save others. This act made him impure and immortal, and thus the crystal/gods denied his ascension, plus he was branded a daemon by his replacement (who took his name). He was forced to wander endlessly.
He succeeds. He wants to destroy the crystal, and end the lucis caelum bloodline. He knew about the prophecy, the 114th king would be the one whom the Crystal would accept. Regis knew this too btw, hence the sadness. So Ardyn sends Noctis on the way, beginning with the proposal to get him out during the conflict. He ensures Noctis will have all the tools and pacts to merge with the crystal and is willing to make the sacrifice. I think this is why he kills Luna who would die anyway, Noctis really needed to hate him to be ready and willing to do anything to make things right. Before that he didn't see Ardyn as the big bad yet.
Oh, okay. My bad.
Really hope they go into this chapter with DLC or an FFXV-2.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
About as much role as Rozarria or Archadea in FFXII.
Important, but not enough to go there, I guess.
I guess you do go to a tiny bit of Archadea in XII, I stopped playing around that point though so I dunno
SkylineRKR
Member
Ardyn is reasonably explained in the game, still not nearly as good as it should've been but compared to most other characters he is.
Its Ravus thats the odd one out.
From what I gather he joined Nifleheim to get back at Regis who he blames for what happened in Tenebrae.Then, in Insomnia he grabs the ring to kill Regis/Nifs/everyone?
He's deemed unworthy by the kings, loses his arm and then holds on to the sword of the father and finds Noctis unworthy and thinks Luna will die in vain. He launches attacks at Astrals, so that Luna doesn't have to sacrifice her flesh? He then finds Noctis worthy after all (since he got his share of Astrals and Royal Arms at this point?) and wants Luna to give him the Ring. He still commands nifleheim to attack Altissia (again, to botch Luna's sacrifice?). Finally he wants to give Noctis the final Royal Arm but is dead before he can.
And that conversation he has with Luna, wouldn't it be better if that was placed during the boat trip where you're essentially doing jack shit? Though the maiden kind of reveals he was on your side as a surprise twist. Hamfisted though.
Its Ravus thats the odd one out.
From what I gather he joined Nifleheim to get back at Regis who he blames for what happened in Tenebrae.Then, in Insomnia he grabs the ring to kill Regis/Nifs/everyone?
He's deemed unworthy by the kings, loses his arm and then holds on to the sword of the father and finds Noctis unworthy and thinks Luna will die in vain. He launches attacks at Astrals, so that Luna doesn't have to sacrifice her flesh? He then finds Noctis worthy after all (since he got his share of Astrals and Royal Arms at this point?) and wants Luna to give him the Ring. He still commands nifleheim to attack Altissia (again, to botch Luna's sacrifice?). Finally he wants to give Noctis the final Royal Arm but is dead before he can.
And that conversation he has with Luna, wouldn't it be better if that was placed during the boat trip where you're essentially doing jack shit? Though the maiden kind of reveals he was on your side as a surprise twist. Hamfisted though.
Pretty much everything Ravus did was to prevent Luna from sacrificing herself for Noctis.
SkylineRKR
Member
Until the moment before Leviathan, where he encourages her.
Yeah. In the end he realizes that he cannot do anything against Luna's wishes.
SkylineRKR
Member
Its sad he's shafted so bad, I liked him.
A test battle would've been nice, but Ardyn cockblocks it. Meeting Noctis alive for some sort of a final battle in Gralea where he hands you the sword would've been nice also. He could sacrifice himself to save you or something, to redeem himself for what happened to Regis. The guy had obvious power in his arm, its never used outside a sucker punch to one of the bros. Unless you count his walking dead form.
Guy got the shaft.
A test battle would've been nice, but Ardyn cockblocks it. Meeting Noctis alive for some sort of a final battle in Gralea where he hands you the sword would've been nice also. He could sacrifice himself to save you or something, to redeem himself for what happened to Regis. The guy had obvious power in his arm, its never used outside a sucker punch to one of the bros. Unless you count his walking dead form.
Guy got the shaft.
He definitely resented Regis, but I don't think revenge against him was ever his ultimate goal. Niflheim was his only source of power after he lost his country and status, so he tried to use them to his advantage, and ultimately became another of Ardyn's pawns. Much like Luna and Noctis, Ravus is another example of someone who had no control over their life. The three of them each react differently to this lack of control, though Luna and Noctis eventually take similar paths.
Loved the song playing in Chapter 11 when they got out of the train. Perfectly fit the melancholic mood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6rcnJ-QRbw&list=PLC02pFkh-IDEL2iAl2CoBJQIwSAnfCQul&index=42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6rcnJ-QRbw&list=PLC02pFkh-IDEL2iAl2CoBJQIwSAnfCQul&index=42
LordKasual
Banned
I kind of didn't even notice that. Haha.
Up until that point, Ardyn was creepy and confusing, but even though they didn't like him, they still trusted him enough to do what he said.
If he simply never killed Luna, he would have looked like a completely different character lol
Mister Megative
Banned
Been talking to a few guys that have experienced this same thing. I got really curious about the sometimes inability to use Phoenix downs or other restorative items during Ardyn's second phase. Several time I've been killed and unable to use a Phoenix down or other healing item. They were all greyed out. This only happens when Ardyn is close to you, and his posture makes it look like he has some sort of telekinetic control over your body. It's happened to too many other people in the same fashion to be a bug. Could this be a mechanic of his? Pretty cool if so.
Mister Megative
Banned
Don't they need her to summon Leviathan so they can kill it?
Doesn't the Empire want Luna to summon Leviathan so they can kill the goddess? It looks to me that they were never trying to stop her, just keep her under surveillance, so that she could be recaptured after the ritual.
Imp the Dimp
Member
How the hell do I beat the Demon Wall in the hunt before it pushes outside the dungeon? I manage to eat through ~50% if its HP. Wonder if I should try the crit food for this. I didn't get any summons so far. :/
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