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Is Horizon Zero Dawn going to be the next big gaming disappointment?

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Nydius

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That wasn't really advice, it was more like barking orders. People will do what they want with their money it's not yours or anyone else's business.

As well as it should be at this point. There's at least 6 years (2010 to present) of data that shows how game publishers have become increasingly scummy through pre-orders and how pre-orders are having a deleterious effect to the industry as a whole. People have been politely pointing out these issues for years and in return people scream back "IT'S MAH MONEY!"

Fine, if you want to keep preordering, you do you. If you're content being a whale and getting shit on by publishers, that's your prerogative. But your decisions are having an actual effect on the rest of us so don't get pissed off when you're continually called out for being a MAJOR part of the problems plaguing the AAA industry.
 

PaulloDEC

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I've seen nothing that really concerns me, and Guerilla tend to be a steady hand.

I think at worst it'll be mediocre. I'm hoping for better, though.
 
Gameplay looks ace. I'm more concerned about the story and script to be honest, because I want this to be one of the best games of generation like Uncharted 4, The Witcher 3 and Bloodborne. Not a solid 8, like Final Fantasy XV.

Guerilla Games are inconsistent. Killzone 2 was fantastic but 3 was average while Shadow Fall and the original were pretty mediocre, (one of them likely being rushed for launch). I have faith in this team with the new people they hired. Hoping for the best.

Best wishes.
 
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Deleted member 325805

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I'm expecting performance issues to plague the game at launch so I'm waiting for Digital Foundry to test it before I buy it, hopefully I'm wrong and it's rock solid 30 with great motion blur but I'm not holding my breath, I think the basic PS4 will struggle with it.
 

Xandremi

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100% do not understand this rebellious attitude regarding paying for something before you have had the chance to identify if it is going to match the marketing the company pushed on the public (because that is their job, to sell and market this product).

You're essentially saying, "I will prepay for the idea of a dish from a random Thai restaurant because I like the idea of Thai food. There are options for me to wait, and say... vet the restaraunt, read reviews, sample a tasting of the food, check out the ambiance, make sure it is up to health code and above all make sure it is a good fit for me. But nope. I will, because it is my right, prepay for this promise of food because I can! Quality control and health be damned!".

Sure buddy. Knock yourself out. It is definitely your right to make uniformed questionable decisions. Facts, who need 'em? Very in vogue these days.

I only pre-order games I know I'll likely enjoy from developers of games I like or I'm satisfied with the coverage available. There can be many reasons I will pre-order a game, and so will other people, I don't understand the need to tell people to not pre-order a game. I have never been burned on a game I have pre-order beside Destiny and even than I got it on a discount.

Also I visit many Asian resturants at random and try all their various dishes, some I like more than others and some I don't. Needing to read a review on food is the funniest thing to me, I eat pretty much everything and there are hardly any I dislike. But yeah let me wait on that review :/
 
Mercs was made by a different studio, so you shouldn't be using that to defend Guerilla. That said, Killzone 2 is loved by many and was considered a technical showpiece for the PS3, on top of having good multiplayer. The only way the game could be disappointing based on Guerilla's track record and the footage they've shown is its narrative, but they hired a ton of new writers for that so I'm not super concerned.

The last thing I expected from Guerilla is narrative so I'm not worried about that... the rest looks amazing. If there is a good narrative ill be over the moon.
 
It looks completely uninspired from a gameplay perspective. Nothing they've shown off in the gameplay tells me anything. Where are the unique mechanics, what is the hook? If there was a Ubisoft game creator tool, this would be the first product.
 

Trace

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It looks completely uninspired from a gameplay perspective. Nothing they've shown off in the gameplay tells me anything. Where are the unique mechanics, what is the hook? If there was a Ubisoft game creator tool, this would be the first product.

The hook is the god damn robot dinosaurs.
 

Skux

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Horizon Zero Dawn was a game that caught my attention the moment I saw it during E3 (2015?), however I feel like we've seen more from Mass Effect Andromeda, a game that may not release until Q3 or Q4 2017, than we have out of Horizon Zero Dawn.

Does appearing at gaming's biggest annual event twice, each with a a thorough gameplay video just not count or something?
 
Some people get discounts/rewards points/etc. for pre-ordering and it can add up. I believe Amazon and Best Buy offer 20% discounts or something. There's always the "better safe than sorry" saying but I personally have never been disappointed with any game that I've pre-ordered because I always do my research beforehand. There will always be games that I'm unsure off and those are the kind that I don't pre-order.

This the case for me. I pre-order any game I'm really excited about because I get 20 percent discount and it don't get charged until it ships. So I can cancel if my interest starts to wane with no penalty.
 
People who don't know how Guerilla do games will be pleasantly surprised by the combat depth.

Almost every preview has been quite glowing about combat mechanics to take down different technical beasts. I know great mechanics are a given from these guys so I hope GG pull it out the bag with world building, quests and lore.

It looks completely uninspired from a gameplay perspective. Nothing they've shown off in the gameplay tells me anything. Where are the unique mechanics, what is the hook? If there was a Ubisoft game creator tool, this would be the first product.

Really??
The gameplay looks way more complex than most of the AAA open world games we get.
 

Varg

Banned
Going to be a solid 8.1meta critic. Going to amaze in graphics and be mediocre story and gameplay wise.
 

Freshmaker

I am Korean.
There is plenty of gameplay.

The game looks great in setting, gameplay, and story.

It's the open world that has me worried. Open world's usually aren't good. If games were more condensed they would be better. We shall see.

What is the gameplay? Climb on robots and hack them? From what I've seen so far, the game's about nothing.
 
yesss bathe me in that negativity
You can't bathe, you're a pizza


So what happened to the OP after he went to watch some videos?
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This the case for me. I pre-order any game I'm really excited about because I get 20 percent discount and it don't get charged until it ships. So I can cancel if my interest starts to wane with no penalty.

The weird thing that's become apparent to me, since I do the 20% on Amazon for some select games as well, is that you can get that same 20% off if you wait 2-4 weeks after release. In reality, the $60 price for AAA games only exists if you didn't preorder and for some reason want to buy it when it comes out. An "idiot tax" if you will.
 
The hook is the god damn robot dinosaurs.

Which have no unique gameplay mechanics from what they've shown. A robot bull you can tame and mount like a horse, a robot dinosaur you can climb and update your map like a viewpoint or radio tower. The robot dinosaurs are just skins of the same generic open world features we've always had.
 

AAK

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I think it's fair to be skeptical considering it's the developers' first attempt at making an open world RPG when their pedigree is rooted in linear FPS. If they can pull it off that will be super impressive.
 
What is the gameplay? Climb on robots and hack them? From what I've seen so far, the game's about nothing.

Come on this is disingenuous as all hell, the very first gameplay has the main character hunting down and fighting giant dinosaur robot.

ThIs isn't even a NMS issue where people wonder "what do you do?"
 

Not

Banned
Hope not.

I dunno if I'll ever get a PS4 to play it tho

And it seems like the story might be a little too long to just binge the Let's Play
 
It's Guerrilla Games, and I've honestly not enjoyed anything they've made so far. On the other hand, Horizon looks quite fascinating and enjoyable. I'm cautiously optimistic. I think I really need to see a story quest gameplay video like the one CDPR did for The Witcher 3. Hoping for the best, and good luck to Guerrilla Games.
 

cheesekao

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Which have no unique gameplay mechanics from what they've shown. A robot bull you can tame and mount like a horse, a robot dinosaur you can climb and update your map like a viewpoint or radio tower. The robot dinosaurs are just skins of the same generic open world features we've always had.
A game doesn't need to have unique gameplay hook to be good. There's the moment to moment gameplay and how nuanced it is as well. Doom, a game widely considered to be one of the best FPS of the year, is a game where you hold down a trigger and shoot things with the occasional melee attacks.
 

Icolin

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Better than Guerrilla's previous attempts != Zero chance the writing will be bad

Yes, it might still be bad, but even if it is, I have absolutely no doubt it'll still be better than the plots in all the Killzone's. I'm not trying to insult Killzone, I loved 2 and Liberation, but it was pretty clear there was very little emphasis on the writing in those games (though some of the surrounding stuff, like the backstory and Brian Cox's speeches, were terrific).

The fact that Guerrilla recognised their weak points and made some really smart hirings is one of the main reasons why I'm so excited for Horizon (that and the gameplay and world look awesome). Compare that with David Cage. I like him and I'm excited to play Detroit but he really doesn't seem to recognise that writing is NOT his strong suit.

Well, David Cage has brought some other writers on board to help with Detroit, so I think he's recognized his faults as a writer, contrary to what you've said: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1130624
 

MrGerbils

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I'd argue that Guerrilla has never made a good game, certainly not a great game, and I haven't seen anything about horizon to make me think they suddenly will. It's pretty, and will look great on the pro, it it will probably be as good of a game as killzone shadow fall.
 
The weird thing that's become apparent to me, since I do the 20% on Amazon for some select games as well, is that you can get that same 20% off if you wait 2-4 weeks after release. In reality, the $60 price for AAA games only exists if you didn't preorder and for some reason want to buy it when it comes out. An "idiot tax" if you will.

Well you don't even have to pre-order from Amazon to get 20 percent. The discount is good for up to 14 days after release. Yes waiting to buy games is the smartest economical way to do it, but sometimes I just want games day one. I also sell most games I after I complete them which decreases the costs dramatically over time.

I'd argue that Guerrilla has never made a good game, certainly not a great game, and I haven't seen anything about horizon to make me think they suddenly will. It's pretty, and will look great on the pro, it it will probably be as good of a game as killzone shadow fall.

Considering that the people heading the development of Horizon Zero Dawn are different from Killzone Shadow Fall this would be a faulty/baseless assumption.
 

Icolin

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The footage, the developer, and Sony's track record for their first-party stuff make it very likely that the game will be mediocre. That said, I don't think the reception will really reflect that and most people will probably like it.

Well, clearly you haven't played many of the smaller first party games from the PS3 era.
 
I only pre-order games I know I'll likely enjoy from developers of games I like or I'm satisfied with the coverage available. There can be many reasons I will pre-order a game, and so will other people, I don't understand the need to tell people to not pre-order a game. I have never been burned on a game I have pre-order beside Destiny and even than I got it on a discount.

Also I visit many Asian resturants at random and try all their various dishes, some I like more than others and some I don't. Needing to read a review on food is the funniest thing to me, I eat pretty much everything and there are hardly any I dislike. But yeah let me wait on that review :/

Go ahead and sharp shoot "reviews" as the point as I was making. Logical fallacies are indicative of flawed arguments.

I won't repeat my point, I do encourage you to reread my post though. It wasn't about reading reviews - it was about having a clear understanding of what you are getting yourself into, which is wholly more than just reading reviews.

As many others in the thread have also pointed out - your callous acceptance of being the consumer of promise and marketing is having a real impact on quality of game being pushed into the marketplace. Your "I have money, let me spend it how I want to" money burning a hole in your pocket mentality is hurting more than just you.

It is cancerous and toxic to gamers everywhere.

You are being sold pre-order bonuses and point programs to help push a system that benefits no one but the companies victimizing us gamers.

I stand by the point I made. No one should pre-order any game. Ever.
 

Jashobeam

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the world looks very unique and interesting and the gameplay looks good with a lot of potential and depth to it, the story and side quests will be what makes or breaks this game for me. It's open world so it has to have lots of enjoyable things to do in it other than killing things otherwise it will get old very fast.
 

Alucrid

Banned
Go ahead and sharp shoot "reviews" as the point as I was making. Logical fallacies are indicative of flawed arguments.

I won't repeat my point, I do encourage you to reread my post though. It wasn't about reading reviews - it was about having a clear understanding of what you are getting yourself into, which is wholly more than just reading reviews.

As many others in the thread have also pointed out - your callous acceptance of being the consumer of promise and marketing is having a real impact on quality of game being pushed into the marketplace. Your "I have money, let me spend it how I want to" money burning a hole in your pocket mentality is hurting more than just you.

It is cancerous and toxic to gamers everywhere.

You are being sold pre-order bonuses and point programs to help push a system that benefits no one but the companies victimizing us gamers.

I stand by the point I made. No one should pre-order any game. Ever.

i just preordered two games because of this post
 

Head.spawn

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I haven't seen much to get excited for outside of the graphics to be honest.

Seems like standard Far Cry type stuff but in 3rd person; which maybe isn't a bad thing, I enjoyed FC3. We'll see I guess.
 
Go ahead and sharp shoot "reviews" as the point as I was making. Logical fallacies are indicative of flawed arguments.

I won't repeat my point, I do encourage you to reread my post though. It wasn't about reading reviews - it was about having a clear understanding of what you are getting yourself into, which is wholly more than just reading reviews.

As many others in the thread have also pointed out - your callous acceptance of being the consumer of promise and marketing is having a real impact on quality of game being pushed into the marketplace. Your "I have money, let me spend it how I want to" money burning a hole in your pocket mentality is hurting more than just you.

It is cancerous and toxic to gamers everywhere.

You are being sold pre-order bonuses and point programs to help push a system that benefits no one but the companies victimizing us gamers.

I stand by the point I made. No one should pre-order any game. Ever.

Well some of us are going to keep pre-ordering. I hope my selfish behavior doesn't hurt you too much.
 

RibMan

Member
It's fair to be skeptical of how the game will turn out -- doubly-so given the way The Order, another Sony first-party game, turned out. It was another game where the 2 second gameplay trailers had you questioning what was up with the game. However, I think we've seen and heard way more about Horizon than The Order, Mass Effect, and a lot of other 2017 games.

The devs and marketing could be silent for a huge number of reasons. The game could be delayed (very likely considering the publisher), the second half of the game could reveal something big about the story of the game, the quality of the game is high enough that the devs are confident they don't need to show everything, talking a lot about Horizon right now could hurt whatever sales potential RIGS has, the Horizon pre-orders could be looking good enough that they don't need another big content blowout, the content blowout could be timed for a week or two after the Switch reveal, etc. There are a million and one reasons why the devs could be quiet right now, and the only way we'll know what's up is in a few weeks.

Do remember that disappointment is a result of expectations meeting reality. If you're going into Horizon expecting The Witcher 4: Geralt Got A New 'Do, you're going to be disappointed. Guerrilla aren't making that type of game. If you're going into Horizon expecting a western RPG with a different twist, your chances of disappointment are going to be much lower. I will say this though: no matter how the gameplay turns out, the one thing that's not going to disappoint is the presentation. Those graphics look i-n-c-r-e-d-i-b-l-e.
 
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