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Betting time: Do you think the Switch will be a success?

Will the Switch be a success?


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Well, the Shield Tablet K1 (basically what this HW is, i thInk), was $199 and didn't have a base, joycons, or a power adapter. Also only 16 GB of storage.
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The problem is that the K- tablet is bigger, with both a better and larger screen. It's also 3 years old. If the Switch was simply a 6 inch tablet with a low red screen we'd be looking at a sub $100 tablet. The controllers and base should add $200 though looking at acessory prices ($110 for a full joycon setup and $90 for a dock) I guess it is a $100 tablet. Nintendo is ducking over its best customers with this price. Period.
 

Brazil

Living in the shadow of Amaz
Commercial failure in the first year, despite having the best games in the entire industry, and then success after a 3DS-like revival in the second year.
 
Gaf knows nothing. Pretty much everybody chiming in here is biased either pro or against Nintendo.

Been a hardcore Nintendo Fan since birth I'm 40 and have owned every Nintendo console since the game and watch systems up to the WiiU.....hell I was even a Nintendo developer!

I gotta say as amazing as Zelda looks I can't justify spending $400 dollars to play it (out the door with some kind of case + taxes it's pretty much that price) I'll wait it out...I felt the same way right now as I did before the 3DS release. I thought that console was a bit pricy and with the 3DS launch and I ignored my gut instinct and took the plunge at launch. Boy was that a mistake, almost immediate price drop after a few months and all I was left with was a few ambassador games that looked worse than the ones I already owned on systems I still had? Nintendo doesn't know their loyal fans very well.😕 We keep our stuff!!!

It's gonna be difficult to pass when the hype builds up around March, but I can wait for Zelda....I'll probably be knee deep in Horizon on my Pro anyway. Nintendo isn't doomed but they definitely just destroyed any good will or hype they had built up with this thing. That price and a horrid launch lineup will mean a price drop inside of 6-8 months.
 

Nyoro SF

Member
Probably a better launch than Wii U, but a quicker tapering off. I think this console is going to see lots of deserts like the Wii U did. Third parties are a non-starter as predicted, they're gonna jump off this ship or make the games multiplat in the future.

Paid online on a system is really going to dent the popularity with children. Especially since the Switch is competing against iPads and iPhones.
 

yyr

Member
"HD rumble" could make the system a massive success, depending on how amazing it turns out to be. It's hard to gauge from the video without trying it for myself. If it really
makes you say wow
, it could be infectious at parties.

You are joking, right?

Nobody asked for HD rumble. It's a solution to a problem nobody had, and it's priced at a premium. It isn't a new concept, just a refinement, and while it might make a cool tech toy, it is not something that is going to make people want to spend $350 (console & game).

Compare to the Wii Remote, which was an entirely new, yet instantly understandable gameplay concept that appealed to just about everyone, even if just as a temporary fad. It was $249, and it included the game that everyone wanted in the box.
 

CronoShot

Member
It's a hard sell next to the similarly priced PS4 and XB1 here in the states, with much bigger libraries. It will do better than Wii U, but not by much. Western 3rd party support looks to be even worse than Wii U. Didn't know that was possible.

It will (eventually) do quite well in Japan though, simply because it will be the only relevant portable system there.
 

Trago

Member
That puts Nintendo in a tougher spot because they are trying to serve two markets. It's the same issue with the Wii U, where they tried to have one foot in with the casuals and one foot in with the core and ended up unable to serve either side adequately. The Switch could be too expensive for the kids and handheld market and not powerful or diverse enough for the core console gamers. Yeah they have the "but it's a portable AND a console" gimmick to fall back on, but how huge of a market does that kind of crossover represent?

Not much I'd imagine. And since the lineup is dry, I guess they're banking on Zelda to help them coast until the next major release....months later.

Zero momentum on top of an unproven concept.

This could be very dire.
 

KingV

Member
I think it will definitely outperform the Wii U.

I do think the pricing is a little too high, but also think they have made the right moves to be able to lower the price in the future. Using a common architecture probably means they can. Iterate on the product really easily.

They could come out with switch xl, switch TV only, and iterate with slightly faster, cheaper, or better battery life products every couple of years as Nvidia moves to new nodes and has newer designs.

If the software stack is good (and Nvidia helped so it probably is) there's a possibility that games can take advantage of stronger hardware without much additional effort.

Another potential advantage is that switch may have cheaper development costs than the big guys, given that it's a bit weaker but supposedly still easy to develop for, opening the door for some mid-range titles that could also be easily ported over to the PS4/X1 but be switch primary.
 
You realize that

A. Scalpers exist

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B. Wii U sold out online quickly as well because early adopter fans will buy anything from them no questions asked

I wouldn't try to draw the comparison that online preorders = success

It is a leading indicator.... half the people here were saying that saying preorder numbers dont matter were bitching at how nintendo did not pay attention to the fact that preorders for the nes classic were so in demand and they did not pay attention so there was a lack of stock..
 

BubbaLump

Banned
It's Nintendo, there is no stoping this train. The hype for this is very different from the Wii U. I absolutely belive this will be a success.
 

njs15

Member
I was stunned that new Mario wasn't a launch title, or even a summer title.

Had they pulled off Mario and Zelda at launch I think that would have bought Nintendo a lot of time, but unless they pull some "available now!" reveals at E3, it's going to be a looong year.
 
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Deleted member 752119

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But what game is convincing someone who didn't buy a WiiU to buy a Switch?

Like, who says, "man, the WiiU didn't have anything I want to play... but this Switch! This thing has the games I want!"

3DS only gamers I guess? Once they're done with whatever they're playing they pretty much have to get a switch to keep playing Nintendo games.

But yeah, nothing they shown is likely to get anyone who skipped Wii U AND 3DS to buy in as it's just more of the same IPs/types of games so far.

But that may be enough to sell out their launch window shipments and maybe they'll have more at E3 to get more than the diehards hyped and help sell well through the holidays.
 

mackattk

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Bashtee

Member
time to milk, eh?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/819795133558202368[/tweet]

More seriously, I doubt it will perform as well as the 3DS.
 

Metroidvania

People called Romanes they go the house?
It'll not have an easy time unless two issues are addressed.

- Price (especially with add-ons) is too high for the casual crowd, and even the enthusiasts are going to be pissed when paying 100+ more dollars for the joy-con, chargers, and maybe the pro controller.

- Lack of new must-have games until (seemingly) Fall-Holiday 2017. Zelda is great, but having that as the only 'killer app' until ports start showing up is not going to do the system any favors. I'd guess Nintendo is banking on a lot of people not playing Mario Kart 8 due to the WiiU's low numbers, but at the same time, it's not a new game.

If Pokemon and MH start dropping, then there's a chance, but I haven't seen anything yet that really convinces me that this is Nintendo's next 'handheld' in addition to being a console, yet.
 

Fou-Lu

Member
The switch has four games coming to it eventually that will probably be among some of my all time favorites (BotW, Super Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade 2, SMT). Those announcements were hype, so was the first trailer we were shown, but this conference? It was awful, it told us almost nothing and showed us very little. There are so many questions. Then we have the price that's much to high for what most will see as a handheld, and the non-existent launch line up and very few games at all... Why didn't Nintendo hold this back for a year and ride on the 3DS? I want it to be a success but I am feeling that it will take a shake up like the 3DS did.
 

ngower

Member
I'm not going to chime in on how this system will do because we still don't know much, but I think all of you doom-and-gloomers need to chill. Nintendo are slowly teasing info and you're resorting to hyperbole and conjecture. It wasn't the price you wanted and it didn't meet your unreasonable expectations for a launch lineup and thus is doomed. Just chill. Wait to see what they do between now and launch and then between and leading up to E3. At that point we'll have a much better idea of what year one for the Switch looks like.

And it still blows my mind that people are pissed off that you can play a full blown Zelda or Skyrim or FIFA or whatever while traveling. That is kind of huge.
 

ugly

Member
Nintendo will continue to string their titles along. I know everyone wanted a huge games blowout here myself included. Realistically it's a long process consolidating platforms. The 3ds snuck up on us with the library it accumulated eventually. Slowly but steadily important Nintendo system hits will spring up. We're getting a shin megami tensei title, though not much has been shown. When the titles are out people will forget about this point in the switches life cycle.

I think Nintendo would have liked a better launch lineup themselves. They're simply too conservative a company these days. It's a shame because what brought them into success originally was innovation. When Mario and metroid were being conceived, risk and delight were huge factors in Nintendos internal development processes. Splatoon was a taste of what can happen when talent runs amok unmeddled with by suits.

Though having said that they have great IP. Mario looks fantastic BTW. Loving the hat mechanic, what a righteously obvious fit with Mario's character. And botw is finally the kick we needed for the franchise. In fact in this very stream of consciousness dialogue I'd like to celebrate what Nintendo is getting right. Clearly they're trying with these sizzling new entries in their acclaimed series. I guess teams are bigger and more money is at stake these days. Making games must be a lot more bureaucratic. Considering that I'm pleased with the titles.

If only they could get more teams under the Nintendo wing pumping games out.takes money and success I suppose. Sony is getting it right!

Go Nintendo! It's a strange transitionary time especially after iwatas death. I hope one day I want to buy a switch. I could be convinced. Keep the creativity high
 
Will do better than the WiiU if they actually stick to their plan of unifying the handheld and console output and stick to it, but not by much. The mainstream is more entrenched in mobile games than ever, the Switch is completely overprized and facing extremely strong competition in the form of Sony (and to a much lesser extend Microsoft) and the PS4 is dominating the market. PS4 is selling for much, MUCH cheaper than the Switch and the Pro is hardely more expensive, particularly in Europe (Switch is €70 less than a Pro in Germany and France, just lol).

PS4 and the Xbone have the cheap home console market completely covered and sell for much less than the Switch, especially during sales. Meanwhile the Switch is overpriced compared to them and that in addition to that the high prices of the peripherals will scare mainstream customers and parents away ("hmm, it is kinda pricy... how much do I have to pay so my other son can play with his brother?" "Either $70 for a pro controller or "110 for a full, complete Joycon set, miss"). Also lack of 3rd party support (there is some right now, but we know how it goes) reduces mainstream appeal even further, particularly if one begins to take the additional costs with peripherals, much higher game prices compared to WiiU and 3Ds and the lackluster required for online-play subscription. I doubt even Pokemon will be able to do much, one of the reasons why Sun/Moon sold so well was that people coming from Pokemon Go could simply pick up a very cheap 2Ds for $70/80 and the game, that ain't gonna with the Switch (hey, you even need to pay if you want to trade Pokemon now!). The portability won't have much impact on the mainstream that is already happy playing mobile games for the most part on a device everyone owns and has to carry around anyway.

On the other hand the console is completely overprized and outmatched from a hardware perspective, so it won't woo the hardcore crowd outside of the Nintendo faithful (who are not numerous enough, see WiiU). And that the Pro (and later the Scorpio) is in a completely different galaxy power wise while not being much more expensive and offering features like 4k and VR is just the final nail in the coffin for that target group.

The console will go the way of the early days of the 3Ds and unlike back then there is far more, cheaper and deadly competition on the market (back then there was... a struggling Vita), so they would have to do massive price cuts to make the console more popular and even then it's not guaranteed it will take off. Sure, things might look rosy for a while because the Nintendo Faithful are buying the little (intentionally understocked) stock there is (shown by everything selling out in barely a few hours), similar to the WiiU, but reality will come crashing down soon enough.

And even then, the PS4 has been steamrolling since the beginning. On the other hand the Switch has massive price issues, a non-existent release line-up outside of Zelda (which you can also play on the WiiU) and it takes months for them to even get their online (subscription) services running, let alone release 1st party games. They might also end up getting quite a bloody nose this year, which will hopefully bash some sense into Nintendo's management.

So to sum up the wall of text, my expectation is that will sell more than the WiiU, simply because Pokemon and the portability will have an impact (but magic sales numbers aren't guaranteed either, home console Pokemon games rarely came close to the handheld mainline games in sales), but with the competition, today's market and situation and them hilariously overpricing everything, not by much. My expectation is that it will do way, way less than the Gamecube, so less than 18 million, 20 million at best (and I think even that is one heck of a stretch and requires massive price cuts). Shareholder's will be pissed and Nintendo's capital will twindle even more, so might end up being their last home console if it doesn't work out.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
For what it's worth I think if they had Mario Odessey ready for launch, been $50 lower and the Online subs message has been much better than 'lol have a free NES or SNES game for a month', GAFs overall hype-ometer would be beating a lot louder.

If they launched at $250 with Mario I'd be preordering. No Mario at launch is just one of many mistakes.
 
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Deleted member 752119

Unconfirmed Member
And it still blows my mind that people are pissed off that you can play a full blown Zelda or Skyrim or FIFA or whatever while traveling. That is kind of huge.

Who's pissed at that? Many don't care (myself included) as we don't game on the go/like gaming on small screens. But that can be a selling point for sure. As long as you don't mind lugging a battery pack to charge since it only gets 2 1/2 hours for intensive games apparently (stated 2 1/2-6 hour range depending on game).
 

Bluenoser

Member
It just dawned on me that Nintendo and Microsoft are complete opposites.

MS keeps milking the same 3 franchises over and over, while struggling to find other successes.

Nintendo seems to go out of their way to NOT milk their greatest franchises, and instead gives us shit like 1-2 Switch. Where is Metroid? Kirby? Paper Mario? Yoshi? Donkey Kong?

They have so many IP's at their disposal, there should never be a lack of games ever, but sadly, well... we all saw it last night.
 

Wozzer

Member
Nintendo leverages tech across multiple iterations frequently, the Wii remotes being a great example. If they play this well they could establish the Switch brand with this first iteration and like Sony and Microsoft version bump the hardware without a full new console launch.

The joycons, the dock, the USB C chargers, external app ecosystem are all potentially universal in their use allowing for the core tablet to be swapped out for one of higher specs. The $299 price is a lot easier to settle on of you knew it was a long term investment, rather than the fears of them being behind in hardware from day one with a full traditional cycle ahead of them.

That said given their 3DS user base, coming out the gate with a fully fledged Zelda and Mario on the horizon, a rebrand effort to modernize their approach and clear marketing opposed to the WiiU brand disaster... I'm confident this'll be a return to form for Nintendo in terms of both success and execution.
 

Sean

Banned
I expect this to sell similar to Wii U (very badly). Perhaps even worse than Wii U.

Nintendo dropped the ball on nearly every aspect - console and accessory pricing, launch lineup, first year lineup (unless there's a lot of surprises at E3), third party support, paid online.. They seem extremely out of touch. I don't think they learned anything from Wii U.
 

mackattk

Member
Nintendo will continue to string their titles along. I know everyone wanted a huge games blowout here myself included. Realistically it's a long process consolidating platforms. The 3ds snuck up on us with the library it accumulated eventually. Slowly but steadily important Nintendo system hits will spring up. We're getting a shin megami tensei title, though not much has been shown. When the titles are out people will forget about this point in the switches life cycle.

Thing with the 3ds is the only competition it had was the Vita, which was always an underdog in the race. The Switch is going up against 3 titans: PC, XB1, and PS4 - all three of those systems are much more powerful and have a very well established library.
 
Really depends on the amount of games, which so far does not look good. As it stands right now, I think it will sell well at launch only because of Zelda, then it will drop like a rock until the holidays when Mario releases.
 

ngower

Member
Who's pissed at that? Many don't care (my self included) as we don't game on the go/like gaming on small screens. But that can be a selling point for sure. As long as you don't mind lugging a battery pack to charge since it only gets 2 1/2 hours for intensive games apparently (stated 2 1/2-6 hour range depending on game).

Traveling home for the holidays, riding the bus/train/subway, going to the DMV or somewhere that's going to take forever...there are places you can use it.

And it charges via USB-C, so could easily charge in a plane, car, etc.
 

El Topo

Member
Thing with the 3ds is the only competition it had was the Vita, which was always an underdog in the race. The Switch is going up against 3 titans: PC, XB1, and PS4 - all three of those systems are much more powerful and have a very well established library.

If we're talking entertainment on the go, there's tablets. Netflix has a download function. Have kids in the car? Download shows for them.
 
These next few months will probably be a struggle.

The combination of Mario, Pokemon Stars (if Eurogamer wasn't completely wrong about that one), and a price cut should turn things around.
 
It's already sold out for preorders does that mean anything?

I'm personally not sold it offered me nothing. That price point is way off for what it is.
 
I don't see it doing well. The only thing about the whole console I've seen that I was like "wow that would be nice" was Skyrim. And that's just because I'm hopelessly addicted and want it in my veins at all times, including when I'm away on travel.
 

Xando

Member
It's gonna sell well at launch when all nintendo fans buy it. After it'll fall off a cliff and only start to sell somewhat decent when they announce the 100$ pricecut for fall 2017.
 

Bastardo

Member
As it is currently presented, no, due to the many reasons everybody here talked about.

In case of price drop (to 200$): Yes, because parents will buy it left and right
In case of Metroid Prime Dread: Yes, because enthusiasts will jump at it.
 
Traveling home for the holidays, riding the bus/train/subway, going to the DMV or somewhere that's going to take forever...there are places you can use it.

And it charges via USB-C, so could easily charge in a plane, car, etc.

Again, is there a huge market for people who game on the go? Especially among core gamers and casuals? The handheld market was already shrinking. I don't see this as THAT huge of a selling point, especially outside of Japan.
 
I'm not going to chime in on how this system will do because we still don't know much, but I think all of you doom-and-gloomers need to chill. Nintendo are slowly teasing info and you're resorting to hyperbole and conjecture. It wasn't the price you wanted and it didn't meet your unreasonable expectations for a launch lineup and thus is doomed. Just chill. Wait to see what they do between now and launch and then between and leading up to E3. At that point we'll have a much better idea of what year one for the Switch looks like.

And it still blows my mind that people are pissed off that you can play a full blown Zelda or Skyrim or FIFA or whatever while traveling. That is kind of huge.
The Wii U was goddamn dead for the past year, year and a half and the excuse for that was "Oh they're working on putting everything into the Switch and making launch great." At this point I feel pretty comfortable about what my expectations for a launch lineup should have been. It should have been much more substantial.

Then again, The Wii was dead for a while too and the excuse then was "Oh they're working on putting everything into the Wii U and making launch great." I guess Nintendo being terrible and history repeating itself is real. Maybe my expectations were too high for this shitshow of a company.
 
People need to stop using the WiiU as the only benchmark.

They're killing the 3DS and the 60 million units it moved in order to bring the Switch to fruition.

If this sells 30 to 40 million it will still be a massive contraction of Nintendo's hardware sales.
 

TheFlow

Banned
Commercial failure in the first year, despite having the best games in the entire industry, and then success after a 3DS-like revival in the second year.
Best games?it is not even out. Mario and Zelda are competing against a stellar year for PS4/Xbox. Then we have. I confirmation outside of xenoblade 2 that the third party games like atlus are exclusive..
 

ugly

Member
Thing with the 3ds is the only competition it had was the Vita, which was always an underdog in the race. The Switch is going up against 3 titans: PC, XB1, and PS4 - all three of those systems are much more powerful and have a very well established library.

I don't think it is going up against those systems really though. I mean yes if one was to compare and contrast switch will have comparatively less market share but they seem to be diverging more in to their own niche generation by generation. They can pull it round
 

Caelus

Member
I think it needs a price drop on all of the accessories at least, multiplayer doesn't look accessible whatsoever with the listed prices, and the price of the separate charging drip and dock is bullshit. Paid online is fine I guess, but I feel like that will negatively impact games like Pokemon.
 
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Deleted member 752119

Unconfirmed Member
Traveling home for the holidays, riding the bus/train/subway, going to the DMV or somewhere that's going to take forever...there are places you can use it.

And it charges via USB-C, so could easily charge in a plane, car, etc.

I mean it's not like I don't know where people use portable gaming. It's just not my bag. I play too many games at home already and am cutting back this year. Down time when traveling etc. I catch up on reading on my kindle and just dick around on my phone in waiting rooms etc.

Fair point about easy charging in planes (now that all but the budget poor people airlines have ports at ever seat) and cars though.
 

TheOfficeMut

Unconfirmed Member
I like Nintendo games. They have a quality that just isn't replicated by 3rd parties. Eventually I'll buy a Switch... But a success, yes. In the sense that it makes money but isn't a market leader.

There are plenty of third party games that are better than Nintendo games. Stop glorifying their shit like they're divine. It's annoying and not true. Slobbering their knob only makes you sloppy.
 

n0razi

Member
Lol some of these Nintendo apologists calling HD rumble amazing and moving the goalposts on performance.... Switch is $300 because Nintendo knows you guys will pay anything
 
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