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NeoGAF Post by Ori Dev: Scorpio is a "full blown next generation Console

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ZOONAMI

Junior Member
Guymelef said:
The problem is this.

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Well, Crysis is like the definition of a game that isn't optimized very well.

And honestly this proves my point.

2-3 years from now that 750 ti isn't going to hold up very well for the games coming out 2-3 years from now at 1080p or even less than that (you will likely see the minimum specs start to be a 960 instead of a 750 ti pretty soon). And Scorpio doesn't have to run everything at 4k.
 
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ZOONAMI

Junior Member
Justified said:
By then, when they can do that, the Scorpio may be the "Wii U" of Next Gen consoles though. So what would be the point
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You can't predict the future and neither can MS?

If scorpio fails terribly by 2021 or so they can release another box (and pursue the same strategy of releasing games on both scorpio and the next system for a few years, or not), or exit the market, or who knows.
 
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Kayant

Member
These sites... Talk anything said be a known industry people and turn it into "news"

That post was entirely opinion you can tell from the fact he don't define what next-gen means and calling one half assed "kinda" and the other "next-gen". What exactly does kinda half assed even mean?

People need to stop taking every little thing and blowing it out of proportion.
 
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wachie

Member
Which dev uses the word "half-assed"? I mean it comes off very unprofessional.

1.6 TF to 4.2 TF is a smaller jump than 1.3 TF to 6 TF, that's quite obvious and doesnt need repeating. But at the same time Scorpio is hardly a generational jump.
 
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Jack The Nipper

Banned
StoopKid said:
He's said that Sony needs to release ps5 to compete with Scorpio on here. So his comments don't really surprise me.
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With the time frames of everything, pro should not have been made. 2018 ps5 would have worked. Now they may have to hold on to pro a little too long or shorter.

Maybe they show think of how to release a pro system
Near release of a new gen a high price yes, but option is there. I guess it's still a bit difficult to blend it like phones.
 
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messiaen

Member
OneUh8 said:
Yeah I know. I just do miss those days when a new console meant it was the best thing on the market, even PC's. At least at the start. Makes for excitement.
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You also have to consider how ridiculously expensive PCs were back then too. Our first computer was upward of $5,000 in 1997, which made the appeal of consoles even higher.
 
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Bgamer90

Banned
Poodlestrike said:
I think there's some semantic confusion going on here (along with a fair bit of salt). The man's not talking about a "new generation" in the sense that it's a cutting-off point for software, but rather in terms of a generational hardware leap, which, taking the post as a whole, would seem to be his expectation for every new "generation" moving forward.
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That is how I took it. Seemed pretty clear but we'll see the official details that Microsoft state soon.
 
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Peltz

Member
Hamster Plugin said:
That's not the definition of a new generation. The PS2 played PS1 games.

New gen means that Scorpio will get games that cannot be played on Xbox One. If games can still be played on Xbox One, the Scorpio is just an upgrade.
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Yep, this is my understanding as well.

Generations are defined by libraries of games, not power.
 
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xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
wachie said:
Which dev uses the word "half-assed"? I mean it comes off very unprofessional.

1.6 TF to 4.2 TF is a smaller jump than 1.3 TF to 6 TF, that's quite obvious and doesnt need repeating.
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Don't ever read Stinkles' posts around here, you may faint.
 
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MarveI

Member
I'm SO confused.

Though super excited for what Moon Studios is cooking up. Absolutely LOVED LOVED LOVED ORI so much. Maybe even my most anticipated thing from E3.

In regards to the ''half-assed'' comment, maybe it was referring to the difference in GPUvsCPU that the GPU felt like a real boost and CPU being a bit of a letdown (GPU having double the power in comparison to PS4 while the CPU is pretty much the same with just a 30% clock-speed boost).
 
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ponpo

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wachie said:
Which dev uses the word "half-assed"? I mean it comes off very unprofessional.

1.6 TF to 4.2 TF is a smaller jump than 1.3 TF to 6 TF, that's quite obvious and doesnt need repeating.
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A developer making a neogaf post. Should everything be typed as if it were an interview?
 
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kswiston

Member
wachie said:
Which dev uses the word "half-assed"? I mean it comes off very unprofessional.

1.6 TF to 4.2 TF is a smaller jump than 1.3 TF to 6 TF, that's quite obvious and doesnt need repeating.
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Also, neither exactly scream "full blown next generation" which is typically an 8x jump in RAM and often more than that in processing power.

Scorpio does sound like a nice beefy upgrade though.
 
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RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
MS has said several times that it isn't a new gen. Even if they phrase it around their ecosystem and have a plan to support for a while and slowly phase out older hardware, I can't imagine it being that different to the Pro in practice. There will still be points with a clean break from old hardware.
 
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Bsigg12

Member
wachie said:
Which dev uses the word "half-assed"? I mean it comes off very unprofessional.

1.6 TF to 4.2 TF is a smaller jump than 1.3 TF to 6 TF, that's quite obvious and doesnt need repeating.
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It was a comment in passing here on GAF based on seemingly what he knows about the console. How deep that knowledge is is unknown to us obviously.

RoboPlato said:
MS has said several times that it isn't a new gen. Even if they phrase it around their ecosystem and have a plan to support for a while and slowly phase out older hardware, I can't imagine it being that different to the Pro in practice. There will still be points with a clean break from old hardware.
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To be fair Microsoft has said multiple times that they want to get away from traditional generations. Specifically, Spencer has said he doesn't like starting from 0 with the launch of a new system..
 
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backbreaker65

Banned
The only thing I noticed about any of this stuff, is Playstation execs/devs don't say shit, Xbox execs/devs run their mouth like little bitches non stop. They can't help themselves mouth open all the time shit is nauseating.

I like Playstaion approach, just shut the fuck up already.
 
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SOR5

Member
Peltz said:
Yep, this is my understanding as well.
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Right but the console after Scorpio won't be some locked off brand new ecosystem

Its going to be the Scorpio but upgraded, which is an Xbox One but upgraded

By this logic of "it aint next-gen until its exclusive" the Xbox will never get a next-gen console

You have to understand how their development is shifting
 
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Justified

Member
ZOONAMI said:
You can't predict the future and neither can MS?

If scorpio fails terribly by 2021 or so they can release another box (and pursue the same strategy of releasing games on both scorpio and the next system for a few years, or not), or exit the market, or who knows.
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Im not saying it will fail, Im saying by the time it can break the shackles of last gen, where their word that is will not can be dismissed, being a "full blown next gen" console will not matter because the Scorpio would be weaker than the upcoming next gen consoles.

(as my analogy point out the Will U to the PS4/XBone)
 
RedAssedApe

RedAssedApe

Banned
lol...i wouldn't go that extreme. but yeah...i think people need to stop tweeting and making random comments like this if they don't have anything to show.

like give us a screenshot to agonize over at least
 
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CrimsonEclipse

Member
Maybe to them, because of the hardware jump from X1 -> Scorpio, they few it as a generational leap? Only thing I can think of, MS has stated over and over they aren't trying to enforce/start a new generation.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Imma just wait to see Scorpio reveal.
 
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Bgamer90

Banned
backbreaker65 said:
The only thing I noticed about any of this stuff, is Playstation execs/devs don't say shit, Xbox execs/devs run their mouth like little bitches non stop. They can't help themselves mouth open all the time shit is nauseating.

I like Playstaion approach, just shut the fuck up already.
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No, they use Twitter too.
 
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SOR5

Member
The Silver said:
Unless Scorpio starts getting exclusive games that won't work on X1, no it isn't.
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Again, do you think Scorpio won't play the same games as Scorpio II?

This logic has been abandoned, compatibility is rolling across generations of devices ala iPhone now

This sudden cut-off point everyones anticipating wont happen unless x86 architecture becomes obsolete.
 
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ResoRai

Member
SOR5 said:
Right but the console after Scorpio won't be some locked off brand new ecosystem

Its going to be the Scorpio but upgraded, which is an Xbox One but upgraded

By this logic of "it aint next-gen until its exclusive" the Xbox will never get a next-gen console

You have to understand how their development is shifting
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However one perceives generations in pc gaming is how they should look at MS new consoles I think.

Actually any hardware other than consoles. Huh.
 
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Bsigg12

Member
NeoMetallix said:
If PS4 Pro is a half assed upgrade then Scorpio will be a quarter assed next generation. The difference between it and the Pro is smaller than the difference between the PS4 and the Pro. MS done Fed up if this is a new gen. Don't believe this for a second.
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What does that have to do with anything?
 
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ZOONAMI

Junior Member
Justified said:
Im not saying it will fail, Im saying by the time it can break the shackles of last gen, where their word that is will not can be dismissed, being a "full blown next gen" console will not matter because the Scorpio would be weaker than the upcoming next gen consoles.

(as my analogy point out the Will U to the PS4/XBone)
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Even if PS5 releases in 2020 (it might), it will not be as large of a gap between scorpio and ps5 as wii u was even from Xbox one.

But it definitely would put pressure on MS to release something new, and soon, if it was significantly more powerful than scorpio. Say 9-10TF PS4.

If it's an 8TF PS4, then I think as MS you would be relatively safe standing pat, or you could release an actually iterative console that puts you at 9TF, 3 years after launching scorpio.
 
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Princess Carl

Member
backbreaker65 said:
The only thing I noticed about any of this stuff, is Playstation execs/devs don't say shit, Xbox execs/devs run their mouth like little bitches non stop. They can't help themselves mouth open all the time shit is nauseating.

I like Playstaion approach, just shut the fuck up already.
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You seem a little worked up about it.
 
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Illucio

Banned
So Xbox losing terribly. Their plan? Hurry and jump start the next generation of consoles forcing Sony to play catch up.

Bird people consider that a dick move.
 
FingerBang

FingerBang

Member
If the Scorpio is truly a generation ahead, why does it have to be held back by the Xbox One? Either make it so that it has exclusive games or stop saying this and accept that Sony was first in the "let's bump up the specs of our 3 years old console" race.

What really bothers me is they had absolutely nothing at E3 2016, yet they got a lot of people talking about it, even though they probably had no idea about the final hardware. All that mattered was to make it look much better than the competition, that came out after a few months.
 
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Bgamer90

Banned
NeoMetallix said:
If PS4 Pro is a half assed upgrade then Scorpio will be a quarter assed next generation. The difference between it and the Pro is smaller than the difference between the PS4 and the Pro. MS done Fed up if this is a new gen. Don't believe this for a second.
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The Scorpio is largely about being much better than the original Xbox One in power though -- not the PS4 Pro.

The gap between Xbox One and Scorpio will definitely be larger than PS4 and PS4 Pro.

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backbreaker65 said:
No Sony never spoke on the Pro, never. Only Mark Cerny and he only did it formally. They didn't go on twitter talking about the PRO none of them did, before or after. It's all formal interviews and conference.
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Your post was about them overall -- not just Pro/Scorpio.
 
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Peltz

Member
SOR5 said:
Right but the console after Scorpio won't be some locked off brand new ecosystem

Its going to be the Scorpio but upgraded, which is an Xbox One but upgraded

By this logic of "it aint next-gen until its exclusive" the Xbox will never get a next-gen console

You have to understand how their development is shifting
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It's all the same gen if every game must be compatible with the original Xbox One. It will hold back development to mandate that every disc printed under the Xbox brand must be compatible with old hardware. I'm not budging on that stance. Increased resolution or a few special effects is not the same thing as a new generation.
 
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