Jaguar Victory
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The only ones invoking his name here are the folks he gets riled up. No-one else cares.
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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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The only ones invoking his name here are the folks he gets riled up. No-one else cares.
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A 550$ or 599$ Xbox though? It would likely be a disaster.
What good is a very small niche of high-end Xboxes going to do for their business?
Chobel
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Hey there, not everyone here hates Tim or gets riled up by him
Zen or not, All Third Party games will run and look better on Scorpio. I would say that is a compelling advantage over any other console.
I think that it will be $499. As long as they sell it at a profit it can`t be a disaster.
GarthVaderUK
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To quote myself: "MS would have to go insane with the pricing for that to happen."
They'd have to severely fuck up somewhere for it to be dead on arrival. Even the Xbox One with mandatory Kinect, higher price yet weaker than the PS4, and the awful pre-launch PR disasters wasn't dead on arrival.
12Dannu123
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Same with Surface.............. they made $4 billion last year and by selling just 1 million of them every quarter.
gaming_noob
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I want some leaks from an insider already. Come on!
Mass Effect
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I really wish we could ban TimDog, Crapgamer, whatever other morons that roll with them from discussion on this forum. It would save us from a lot of this bullshit that's happening ITT.
Which is why things like Zen, 12 GB GDDR5X and 8TF+ are extremely unlikely.
They simply don't need to go that hard on the specs to take the graphics crown, and by doing so they can also keep the entry prices low.
I know that isn't fun to speculate about, but i'm very much doubting Microsoft is that incompetent to piss away all that potential just to squeeze in a better chip to please Senjutsu and friends.
Why are we pretending like the PC/Ultrabook market is similar to the dedicated gaming console market?
Jaguar Victory
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I'd pay $550 for that. All day.
Chobel
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Oh look, the typical Sonygaf, all you want is to ban the social voices of Xbox.
rokkerkory
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I think it'll be DOA if it launches over $500. PS4 pro will be at least $100-150 cheaper. Too much of a gap.
I won't pay over $400 for a scorpio.
I won't pay over $400 for a scorpio.
What market is this catering to? People that wanted the more powerful system already got a Pro and are probably not grabbing a second system especially at 499. Those that love MS exclusives have already gotten the slim especially at what an amazing price point it was at. So who wants this thing? It's not going to be powerful enough to pull the PC crowd so that leaves the MS diehards which is a shrinking not growing fan base.
I'm probably wrong and it likely won't be DOA.
But
I bet it has a great opening month, decent second and then starts dropping dramatically
And neither will most people.
Insane Metal
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Shwapam.
Better?
DEAD
I think a 1TB 399 sku with an older game, and a 2TB 499 sku with Forza 7 or another holiday 2017 game is very likely.
Jaguar Victory
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$399 means Jaguar though. Booo. I'll pay the extra $50-100 for better performance.
gaming_noob
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I'm guessing 449.99 and 499.99 units. The ones looking for a cheaper experience and still want an Xbox can get the S model for 199-249. At 449.99 I think it will still sell pretty well in the US. I think a lot of Xbox users are ready to upgrade after ~4 years.
MS stores will aggresively promote trade-ins... Maybe we can get ~$150 store credit for X1's.
MS stores will aggresively promote trade-ins... Maybe we can get ~$150 store credit for X1's.
Crayon
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There's just too few like you who would, tho. 399 is already a lot of money for most game users. 499 is a significant step up. It doesn't need to be that expensive when the price is so very important.
That would be in line with what they have done when going hard for xmas. I could see that.
Jaguar Victory
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It's possible though. XBO and PS3 were both $500 and sold millions at launch. Prices lower over time.
I acknowledge it's an impediment for younger gamers and those on fixed incomes though.
That doesn't make much sense. MS could not have put out scorpio with pro because they would have had to be under the same technical constraints with RAM and polaris as Sony. Thus they would have likely been around the exact same power with no MS advanage.
2017 allows them to get to 6tflops and 320gb/s and maybe even PUMA if they try hard enough
Crayon
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Remember; the scorpio will enter a market competing against 4 other consoles: The ps3, the ps4 pro, the switch, and the xbox one s. The rush out of the gate to get the firs scorpio will probably die down pretty quick, and it will have to assume it's place in the product line: A solid up sell on the xb1. An attainable halo product. Able to gracefully transition to being the baseline $299 machine in the future. It can be all that for 399.
It's possible, but MS wants this to maintain momentum rather than just appeal to early adopters.
This is Microsoft's "next-gen" console, 399 is crucial. 449-499 will give way too much advantage to the Pro which is its first and foremost competition, and which will undoubtedly have had a pricedrop and multiple bundles at the time (COD bundle is a sure bet, and very likely RDR2 as well if it comes out on time).
That extra 50-100 at this point in time is not going to create a big enough difference (appreciable by the mass market), especially due to third party games being held back by ps4 and xb1.
Early adopters and big xbox fans are already guaranteed purchasers for the system, they want to get the rest of the market on board as quickly as possible.
Why would it be a problem for ms to use puma? Isn't puma basically jaguar?
rokkerkory
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So this thread inspired me to go back to the E3 announcement for Scorpio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHjMF8d5yOA
Dang, sorry but the video and overall sentiment got me a little giddy once again. I am hoping MS knocks it out of the park with this!
Dang, sorry but the video and overall sentiment got me a little giddy once again. I am hoping MS knocks it out of the park with this!
Beerman462
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Why do people think the Scorpio has to "fly" off shelves to be a success. It just has to sell decent numbers. Even if it doesn't take a big chunk of the market it's still a marketing win for MS. I find it weird how much people focus on the winner or loser and which company makes the most money. I loved my OG Xbox. I loved the games and had plenty of "fanboi" arguments with people I worked with back then. Not once was did the fact that PS2 outsold Xbox ever come up, because why would it matter we just cared about games and graphics.
If Scorpio is just a beefier GPU and largely the same CPU it will be disappointing. Moderately better resolution is hard to see. The difference between 60fps and 30fps is immediate.
If Scorpio is just a beefier GPU and largely the same CPU it will be disappointing. Moderately better resolution is hard to see. The difference between 60fps and 30fps is immediate.
The market that wants the best version of Third Party games.
Everyone? You know that isn't true. MS doesn't need to outsell anyone to be successful. Just profitable. So they can price it whatever they like. $499, $549 or higher.
If they love MS exclusives then some might like to have them run and look better. I know I have seen a few on Gaf say they got the Pro to play games they had already played just because it looked or played better. Regardless, most don't buy for exclusives. Receipts? Look at the top 20 played on either system.
I don't think anything could pull more than a few of the PC crowd and for good reasons. Having nothing to do with power.
So long as Microsoft is willing to accept the costs of 12GB GDDR5 they get the bandwidth advantages of 384-bit bus with the same generation of technology as the PS4 Pro. The reported bandwidth suggests that the memory is clocked essentially identically. Once you've got the extra bandwidth going all-in on a larger APU die to hit 6TF is also possible.
... but it all comes at a price. Waiting an extra year can help push costs down, or it's possible that all the pieces simply wouldn't come together in time to make a launch last year. Nothing so far suggests that there's a significant step forward technologically, and plenty to suggest that corners weren't being cut to keep costs down. We'll see when the details are finally known, of course, there's still plenty of room for surprises.
I meant if they are ambitious enough to ditch jaguar and go with PUMA, which is considered a different CPU in how its strutured for much better effciency even though the architecture is basically the same
That's what i said <_<
My mistake. Thanks for the clarification. I'll have to rewatch the video.
Theonik
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Because people have set really unrealistic expectations for themselves regarding MS somehow starting next gen early and taking back the lead. MS might not even be looking for that at all and I would be even willing to wager that is the case*. But that doesn't matter because people will still be disappointed if the Scorpio isn't the 2nd coming.
*MS is abandoning Xbox hardware in general and is focusing on games and more importantly services. Scorpio is another place to play W10 games but MS is happy as long as people play them *somewhere*.
Chobel
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Of course, that's why they're not so aggressive in their deals and promos /s
MS wants to sell as much hardware as possible, because the real money comes from software.
Head.spawn
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So from the specs MS presented at e3, you thought this thing was going to smash the Pro... but now that you know the specs that they presented last year were indeed the specs they presented last year... it's DOA.
Did I get that right?
That doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
Shpeshal Nick
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There are still people who think the entry price on Scorpio will be higher than $399?
Even with Zen I thought it would be $399, if it has Jaguar or Puma then it's a certainty you can bank your house on.
Even with Zen I thought it would be $399, if it has Jaguar or Puma then it's a certainty you can bank your house on.
Shpeshal Nick
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Calling out unwarranted personal attacks on an Xbox fan from Twitter automatically qualifies as a "Defense force" now?
No. Sorry.
Bits N Pieces
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I just watched it again myself there - it really was a great PR piece although its definitely going to be a Jaguar CPU. They repeatedly talk about the 6TF and 320GB/s on numerous occasions and the only mention of the CPU is the 8 cores.
Going from 1.4TF to 6TF and from 204GB/s to 320GB/s is enough to get me jumping in on day one though!
Give me all of those uncompressed pixels, lol.
Thebeardofknowledge
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No one personally attacked him though
Exactly. Anyone who thinks that a $500+ (and therefore £500+) Xbox is viable is not thinking straight. If this is priced such that it only appeals to existing die hard enthusiasts (who already have active XBL Gold subscriptions and buy XB1 games), it's not going to add any new customers and it's not going to be worthwhile for third parties to support it.
Microsoft are not going to spunk millions on R&D just to sell to people who are already Xbox customers, they want to expand beyond that.
interfreak
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$500 Scorpio:
And there's the issue. If it's $400 people will say "oh they gimped on power not a big enough difference from the pro" and if it's $500 with a better CPU people will say "too expansive dead on arrival."
Scorpio is in a lose lose situation here. The complaints are pre loaded no matter what happens.
People will plunk down 500 at launch no problem. When it gets cheaper more people will plunk down whatever it costs. Microsoft has no problem lowering the cost of their consoles quickly. Diehard fans will pay whatever.
This thing is dropping around the holidays along with some decent games. Im sure Microsoft will price it accordingly. Id hate to pay 500 but i will. Fuck it.
LOL. They of course want to sell as much hardware as possible but never at a price so low that the software could never make up for it. MS doesn't only make money when they are outselling the competition. They could sell 1/10 of the units. As long as they are making profit it doesn't matter.
Just rewatched and yeah I'm hyped. Scorpio is going to be a beast
Bitch Pudding
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Not necessarily. MS promised 6 TF. If they can offer that for $399 this fall, that would be a pretty good deal. I don't think a lot of people care about the CPU or other technical stuff. "6 TF monster / fastest console ever / native 4k"! will sound good for them and aside from a super-enthusiast crowd no one will care what MS acutally put under the bonnet to reach that.
Beerman462
Member
I hope so. Just make some cool games. Take risks. Games like DOOM, RE7 and Hitman proved you can take old stuff and make it great without trying to give it "broad" appeal.
Theonik
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That isn't to say MS is going third party. Having their own platforms is a key aspect of that strategy.
It'll be a monster
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