Rabid Dwarf 76
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The reality is Capcom rushed to release an incomplete, unfinished game for $60 and expected people to happily buy it. You reap what you sow and Capcom terrible business practices are showing their fruit.
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9 months later, Street Fighter V has finally shipped (incl digital) 100K more copies
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The reality is Capcom rushed to release an incomplete, unfinished game for $60 and expected people to happily buy it. You reap what you sow and Capcom terrible business practices are showing their fruit.
BronsonLee
Member
Yeah KI is fucking killin' it, there's no way that doesn't get a sequel or at least another iterative version
For some like myself
Pay for your character or use characters you can't play for shit for a long time to eventually be able to buy your character.
Also the favorites people had are gone
JayWood2010
Member
There is a lot more going on in Dota. For the record I dont even like Dota, and I love fighting games, but Dota has a much higher learning curve, and much more going on. To put it simple its more complex, and especially when you throw in the team aspect of a game it only adds to that.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Ain't that the damn truth..
Not really, Capcom seems pretty committed to staying the course with their seasons (more so given that they're sticking with their word of not rendering the existing game obsolete). Doing a Super version would cause more damage than it would mend, at least amongst those who don't do the research. They're already doing Season 2 this year, with Akuma being the first character for the season.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Even the 25-30% boost that an Xbone version would provide couldn't fix this. Kind of reminds me of the launch oh SOCOM 4, first impressions are everything for the casual audience.
And no, this means nothing for fighting games in general, Injustice and MvC are gonna eat this year.
And no, this means nothing for fighting games in general, Injustice and MvC are gonna eat this year.
Duxxy3
Member
The game, in general, is not well received. Season 2, especially, has not been well received. Ride out 2017 as is, and start work on super.
Also, release a damn arcade version for Japan.
Street Fighter V was just horribly planned and executed. Scrap it and start over.
JayWood2010
Member
I may be wrong about Korea(Last i heard it was doing very well over there, but I dont follow the game enough to know for a fact), and yes LoL is bigger than Dota in China. It however is big in China, and many other parts of the world including places like Russia.
Dota peaked at 930k users online just yesterday. It will usually peak over 1m in a month.
Steamspy has it at 93 Million owners. My point is its a world wide thing.
#sorrynotsorry
Member
BronsonLee
Member
At first when I read these I was fucking shook
Then I realized this is our true reality
That's already happening.
As for the Super version, perhaps they could do a relaunch while giving existing SFV owners the system updates & new modes for free so they won't be seen as liars. But naming the relaunch Super would make people think that Capcom went back on their word. Completely scrapping the base game like you're implying ("Scrap it and start over") & having everyone buy a new SSFV disc would cause more problems than it would solve.
SF at it's best still had millions of people putting in coins into a machine for years.
Bruno MB
Member
Just by taking a look at Capcom's Platinum Sellers list one can easily realise the true phenomenon Street Fighter II was back in the early nineties.
It sold over 10 million units in a single platform in a very short span of time.
It sold over 10 million units in a single platform in a very short span of time.
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[Jun 1992] SNES Street Fighter II - 6.3m
[Jul 1993] SNES Street Fighter II Turbo - 4.1mGlitter and Gold
Banned
The overall number isn't that bad. I think what's bad is the drop off in sales over time. Multiplayer games usually have longer legs than this
I don't expect them to do much beyond release DLC characters and randomly change character balance until they stop supporting the game. They don't even appear to be able to consistently do that on schedule. I can't imagine them timing some full featured title update appropriately for this game
Or it confirms that SFV is dead in the west.
Paracelsus
Member
Street Fighter 3.
I'm ok with that. I know they've said repeatedly that they don't want to do that, and I'm comfortable with never buying this game if they never release an acceptable version of it.
Exactly.
I can't figure out who this post is responding to or what point it's trying to make.
I think the expectations are different. FPS players are used to the "game as a service" model already, in fighting games there's a big conflict between single players fans that want the "complete package" and multiplayer fans that want the updates. And of course FPS are A LOT more popular so even if some gamers skipped R6:S because of its model, you still have a big audience to sell your game to. Overwatch and Titanfall were also criticized for lack of content, but a part of the FPS audience showed that they were OK with that.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
1 vs 1 and your defense are both team based games?
I can play COD or Splatoon online and have an enjoyable time, win or lose. I brought a fighting game this month which I am enjoying single player but as soon as I go online even in a "casual" match I'm beaten swiftly by anyone. Its seems I'm matched with someone that has played 100's of online games. It's not fun or enjoyable at all.
Duxxy3
Member
I'm not sure that's even an option for Capcom.
Sure. Same thing they did with AE. Either buy the disk with all the updates, or buy the upgrade to super.
edit: The upgrade would just be a character and art roll up.
Automatisch
Member
Two season passes within less than a year of the game's launch felt like an overly-aggressive strategy, especially when the contents are spread so thin and poorly communicated. I think they shouldn't have sold characters at all and instead focused on cosmetics or stages for monetization. Also, they could have just as easily waited for the game to be more complete and let Ultra have another year or two, as I think it would have helped with the bad press at launch about missing features with the people who wanted things like Arcade mode. Ono saying the game would have taken until 2018 to come out without Sony's funding doesn't really sound so bad in hindsight to me, as there was absolutely no need to rush this to market, but it's possible the circumstances were worse off than he let on.
JayWood2010
Member
Rainbox Six Siege is a unique experience. Nothing else like it on the market. Personally I would say it is the best competitive multiplayer game this generation outside of Overwatch.
Street Fighter is not unique, and I think many people could make a strong debate other fighting games of recent are better.
Going the AE/Ultra route would in turn force people to buy the update in order to remain competitive, thus splitting the player-base (which is half of the reason why Capcom ditched the Super method of updates for a seasonal model). That's why I mentioned only paying for the characters while providing everything else (balancing changes, gameplay mechanics changes, new modes, etc.) a free firmware update. In short, requiring people to buy anything besides characters for the theoretical Super version would result in angry fans.
That's the thing, there's just a bunch of crap holding back an otherwise-great fighting game that needs to get fixed.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Game literally never worked properly online for me after multiple patches. Street Fighter's blood is on the shit development teams hands and whoevers decision it was to release this in such an incomplete state.
Outsourcing models and stage graphics also meant the game never really visually wowed.
Outsourcing models and stage graphics also meant the game never really visually wowed.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
For a very casual fighting game fan, is the game good ? I've been tempted several times in digital sales.
RichiRamjag
Member
Their own fault. Don't ship a half-assed game. Word of mouth definitely hurt this.
It's kinda barebones still, but not nearly as bad as it was at launch thanks to the addition of the Cinematic Story Mode & a few others. Fight Money is a bit easier to get thanks to the Missions, & the core fighting is as great as ever. Now's probably a decent time to jump in, though be prepared to grind for Fight Money for the DLC characters.
kiunchbb
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If SFV was developed by Valve, all the characters would be free, and they will only charges for costumes/victory music/taunt animation etc.
I just don't see Capcom will ever do the same, it is a shame because even SF4 had a pretty big modding community.
Castef
Banned
If you are a "very casual fighing game fan" and you do not have it yet, go for Ultra Street Fighter IV.
notworksafe
Member
Not really. Anything single player is half-assed and feels anemic, anything online doesn't work for shit compared to previous titles.
USFIV's online was a bit on the barren side last time I checked.
Son of a Witch
Member
It's never done well in Korea, it was dead from the very beginning. Nexon even shut down their servers a couple of years ago.
Not the point though.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
So if they fixed all the issues and added more modes (like they should have launched with) and you could pick up the base game + season 1 content for like 30 bucks or something, you'd still have no interest?
Seasons are not the reason the game is frequently called incomplete. I don't disagree that they fucked the launch up big time, but your reasoning is weak.
Street Fighter has always added more characters over the years. This time you don't have to buy a whole new game to get them. At worst, it's close to the same situation it always has been, and arguably it's significantly better.
Eh, bought it on PC around release. Not interested in playing online at all. Messed around with playing all the single player content and modding costumes for some characters but thats about it. Blows my mind that there is no "vs CPU" option. That's all I'm interested in. Have no desire to "git gud" and have my ass whooped online. I just want to enjoy the game and its fight mechanics.....which, for me, I can do in single player content and vs CPU modes.
Oh well, I play mainly Killer Instinct and MKX now though.
Oh well, I play mainly Killer Instinct and MKX now though.
Sucks to be Capcom, but first impressions are everything and they fucked up their first impression royally. If only they managed to launch with better single player modes, working servers, a working shop, and other things that we basically take for granted in other fighters.
Also, this really just proves how disconnected the FGC is from the greater video game consumer community, because SFV is easily going to be the most played game at EVO with probably upwards of 5-6k players. I doubt Injustice 2 is going to hit 1k players honestly, but you know it's going to sell millions.
Also, this really just proves how disconnected the FGC is from the greater video game consumer community, because SFV is easily going to be the most played game at EVO with probably upwards of 5-6k players. I doubt Injustice 2 is going to hit 1k players honestly, but you know it's going to sell millions.