That would have been helpful because the other four Best Actress nominees weren't in any of the BP nominated films.
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The 89th Academy Awards |OT| La La Land up 3-1, they got this
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That would have been helpful because the other four Best Actress nominees weren't in any of the BP nominated films.
Beaty: And the award........for best picture.....goes to.........ummmm
Dunaway: JACKIE!
lol
I'm not suggesting the entire system needs to be revised. I just find it a bit strange that such a prestigious show doesn't have some sort of simple contingency plan that ensures the marquee moment of the show isn't trainwrecked due to the mishandling of an envelope.
nelsonroyale
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He won the big buys
McGruber21
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No, not everyone is a conspiracy theorist. If that was the case, and it got out that it was rigged, the Academy would lose it's legitimacy forever. Not worth risking that and for what benefit? The show was basically over. You think a stunt like that would increase viewers for next year's Oscars? lol
MadLaughter
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All she knew in that moment was that Beatty said the envelope had her name, not that there were two of them.
At the same time, the mess-up brings a lot of attention. It is the big news worldwide. A lot bigger news than Spotlight winning last year. So it could help Moonlight stay in the minds of people.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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That's my point exactly, like hire a Border patrol guard or something who is really good at stopping people on their tracks and checking their "ID"
* Dunaway and Beatty start heading to stage from backstage..
Stage Patrol Guard "Whoa whoa not so fast, and who are you two?"
-"We're Bonnie and Clyde mothafucker, let us through"
-"Not so fast Bugsy, where are you two headed?"
-"Gonna present the "Best Picture Oscar" now let's go, chop chop" \
-"Righhhtt, do you have the envelope for the "Best Picture" with you there Bulworth?"
*Beatty hands over the envelope!
* Stage Patrol Guard checks the cover (outside of it)
"Mudafucker it's says, "Actress in a Leading Role" on this, are you sure you got the right papers?"
*Big fuckery prevented!
Was that before she got her Oscar for best lead actress? So she knew she was going to win when Beatty told her? I just saw a short clip and couldn't watch the actual show so I'm a little ocnfused.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Ooops DP
Best Picture is always the last award given. So it was after she had won.
We should build a wall!
Well, all they had to do was check the actual envelope itself, which has the category printed on it.
So in future years I imagine they'll double check the envelope before handing it to the presenters.
But yea, letting the presenter know the winner right before they walk out would help too.
sammyCYBORG
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Obviously a 'staged' mistake in an age when the Oscars are less relevant than ever.
The last act tied it all together, it was stellar.
firehawk12
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I don't get why they don't just give the presenters ear pieces and have someone in a booth tell them the winner, leaving the card completely out of the process.
How was the last act hacked on?
Eh, I thought first two acts were powerful and real. Last was "let's give everyone closure." Which felt fake as Hell in this case.
But I'm a Hidden Figures guy.
See everything with Naome Harris.
Here's the full video in case anyone's just joining us: https://streamable.com/fitup
What
You're imagining the process as something far more "professional" than it really needs to be. It's much more laid back. This is Hollywood patting themselves on the back night. Not election night.
firehawk12
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Moonlight needed someone with a crowbar to knock down the sign that symbolized homophobia in America.
Yes, but tonight showed that having no backup plan can lead to a complete mess. lol
Also, the dramatic pause as the presenter opens the envelope before reading the winner is Hollywood's MO
Yeah, I find it hard to look at anyone on stage and feel they're at fault. Even the guy who made the speech was kind of put on the spot in a way he wasn't expecting. Everyone acts differently in a situation like that.
The people behind the stage fucked up majorly though, in a dozen different ways. How does it not say BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS on the front and back of the envelope is beyond me, and how those handing out the envelope didn't double check for something as important as best picture is even more ridiculous.
What a mess, lol. The Oscars are going to be seen as even more of a joke after a flub like this.
The people behind the stage fucked up majorly though, in a dozen different ways. How does it not say BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS on the front and back of the envelope is beyond me, and how those handing out the envelope didn't double check for something as important as best picture is even more ridiculous.
What a mess, lol. The Oscars are going to be seen as even more of a joke after a flub like this.
Come on man it was his mom, and it wasn't even like he forgave her, just let her talk. There was no closure with Mahershala Ali's character for instance, and yet his effect on Little's life was huge.
excelsiorlef
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The envelope, or the card? Cause if it was the envelope, geez. Anyhow, it should've been on the back as well, if it was not.
Monocle
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Wow, wish I'd seen the snafu as it was playing out. I'm glad I was dead wrong about Moonlight's chances of winning Best Picture. I loved La La Land, but it was the shoe-in. It would have been such a bland and typical choice. I haven't had the chance to see Moonlight yet, but everything I've heard about the film suggests that it deserves this upset.
Good to see Casey Affleck won Best Actor. Remarkable performance. That was the one award outcome I was really pulling for this year.
I wanted Kubo to win Best Animated Feature, because it's a beautifully crafted film and every aspect of it resonated with me more than I can say. However, Zootopia is very good too, not just technically but narratively and especially thematically, so I'm not surprised it won. 2016 was a great year for animation.
Suicide Squad shouldn't have won a thing. There was nothing remarkable about it, unless you count its profound shortcomings. Nothing at all.
Good to see Casey Affleck won Best Actor. Remarkable performance. That was the one award outcome I was really pulling for this year.
I wanted Kubo to win Best Animated Feature, because it's a beautifully crafted film and every aspect of it resonated with me more than I can say. However, Zootopia is very good too, not just technically but narratively and especially thematically, so I'm not surprised it won. 2016 was a great year for animation.
Suicide Squad shouldn't have won a thing. There was nothing remarkable about it, unless you count its profound shortcomings. Nothing at all.
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I will never understand why they refuse to clearly label the cards in large font center-top like everyone else does in daily use both professionally and personally.
"Category/Class:
Specific item/person"
Why stray from this simple design by putting the category in a tiny footer at the bottom? They know that many of the presenters are older and will have trouble reading small font, but they do it anyways.
I will never understand why they refuse to clearly label the cards in large font center-top like everyone else does in daily use both professionally and personally.
"Category/Class:
Specific item/person"
Why stray from this simple design by putting the category in a tiny footer at the bottom? They know that many of the presenters are older and will have trouble reading small font, but they do it anyways.
Both.
The envelope says "Best Actress in a Leading Role"
The card says "EMMA STONE, La La Land....(Best Actress in a Leading Role)"
Which is why the presenter was confused af and was looking at it for five minutes. The second presenter thought he was fucking around and wanted to end the awkwardness so she blurted out the first thing she read.
DarkLordMalik
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Warner Bros are going to market the hell out of 'Winner of 1 Academy Award' for Suicide Squad.
I thought the same thing too and the only thing I can come up with is that it stops people from being dumb/nervous and just reading the card as it's printed meaning you'd potentially end up with a situation like:
Presenter: the award for best picture goes to...*opens envelope* best picture Moonlight!
Bam Bam Baklava
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Now that all you experts have chimed in, can we still keep in mind that this system has worked out perfectly fine for 89 fucking years until this one mistake?
You know, kind of like polling has been accurate for decades until they got a couple states wrong. What the hell is up with this reactionary behavior to outlier events?
You know, kind of like polling has been accurate for decades until they got a couple states wrong. What the hell is up with this reactionary behavior to outlier events?
Watching the whole scene again....yes it's sooo obvious Warren knows the card is wrong. He literally digs/peeks into the envelope SEVERAL times looking desperately for the actual best picture card that isn't there lol. And then even when Faye just blurts out the only movie title on the card you figure he's like "well, shit, I'm 99.9% sure LLL *did* win, so...let's just roll with this" <3
fierrotlepou
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Do you have an example?
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
I've been out drinking all evening; anyone wanna cliff notes me what the fuck happened?
Monocle
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Polling was a mistake.
Envelopes were a mistake.
Systems were a mistake.
Commence anarchy!
excelsiorlef
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Oh, nice! Great acceptance speech.
I have to say, Kubo's bombing really reinforced my elitist views toward general audiences. To at least the same degree as when Furious 7 made way more money than Mad Max: Fury Road.
Ugh, people.
P.S. That first picture made my hunk sense tingle.
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