NoctisVsStar
Member
Xiii a good game? I've seen it all.. that hallway sim nah bro..
Combat is fine I'll give it that
Combat is fine I'll give it that
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Kingdom Hearts III just has 8 min of footage almost 5 years after announced.
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Yes, it's a good game. I know there seems to be nothing between "amazing" and "shit' on the internet, but XIII doesn't fit into either of those categories.
It's an average/good game with numerous issues. I have no issue saying I think it's a better game than VIII, for example, which was another divisive FF.
Except FF14 1.0
Via Purifico
Banned
XIII was actually decent with beautiful designs for the environments especially the ice section.
The story was lacking in places but it was alright, now XIII-2 was utter nonsense.
The story was lacking in places but it was alright, now XIII-2 was utter nonsense.
morgtheborg140
Neo Member
Completely agree. The cutscenes were amazing as well.
jimmypython
Member
SE should stop announcing games too early.
I really really REALLY want KH3, don't get me wrong. I'm a huge fan of the series and not a day goes by that I don't think about KH. Lol but let's remember that the game has never ever been delayed. They have never given an official release date (or even year for that matter) so saying that KH3 has been delayed is just not true. I'm just going to kick back, relax, let Nomura do his thing, and play the shit out of the collection.
Nah, it was decent.
-Mutsukki-
Member
People should stop asking for it at every opportunity too to be honest. That's the only reason they have shown both KH3 and FFVII remake so early.
Ganon Dragmire
Member
Ah, I remember the minute initial low sales were reported and people were jumping to blame Lightning and friends. Like in this hilarious thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1322896&highlight=xv+sales
MugiwaraCole
Member
Wat
Now these are fighting words.
Ehh, I think it's enjoyable sorta-schlock and the combat gives it some genuine highs, but it's really pretty poor in so many aspects.
I agree with you in that the internet could better appreciate that quality is a spectrum, but I still don't think "good" is a descriptor XIII earns.
Napalm_Frank
Member
XIII is bad but at least it isn't as bad as XII.
You can't really blame them if the last big game came out over 10 years ago. It's only natural for the fans to ask for a new entry.
Is XII bad or do you just not care for it?
I certainly didn't at launch, but I still recognized it as a good game. XIII struggles with level-design, constrained mechanics, too much narrative that happens off-screen/is stuck in the codex, character motivations that aren't clearly established and turn on a dime. That's all off the top of my head.
FFXII has, like, good combat that doesn't sell itself too well, a plot-driven story in a series that endears itself to people through characters, and long chunks of gameplay with little plot, towards the middle especially.
So one of these has some problems and maybe requires a more specific taste. The other has difficulty with fundamental stuff SE proved they were quite good at 20 years prior.
But I digress.
I certainly didn't at launch, but I still recognized it as a good game. XIII struggles with level-design, constrained mechanics, too much narrative that happens off-screen/is stuck in the codex, character motivations that aren't clearly established and turn on a dime. That's all off the top of my head.
FFXII has, like, good combat that doesn't sell itself too well, a plot-driven story in a series that endears itself to people through characters, and long chunks of gameplay with little plot, towards the middle especially.
So one of these has some problems and maybe requires a more specific taste. The other has difficulty with fundamental stuff SE proved they were quite good at 20 years prior.
But I digress.
Zomba13
Member
XIII was very pretty and had nice music and Sazh and Fang were cool. I still don't get people who liked the combat when the entire game could be beaten with the game auto selecting your moves and the game was basically swapping between the style that breaks and the style that attacks and then into the cure style when you need health.
Never played the ones after that but I enjoyed the LR demo and I love me some dress up so that part speaks to me.
XII was great and while you could set it up in a similar way to FFXIII where it plays itself, it took a bit more effort to do compared to a few styles in XIII and but it also had other thigns going for it, like a good story, interesting areas and Balthier (the main character and also Han Solo).
XIV 1.0 was bad and anyone saying otherwise needs help and shouldn't be mocked.
XIV 2.0+ is the best modern FF game
XV is fun and has great music, beautiful visuals and a likeable group of backstreet boys but the story feels like massive chunks were torn out.
KH3 is taking so long because FFXV/vXIII took Nomura's time for years so he couldn't fully be committed to the KH games then he lost vXIII and now he's put on KH3 and VII:Re so I imagine the split time is why we've not heard or seen much of either of them. Plus KH3 had to change engines because Luminous is a pile of shit and then had to remake the models or something because they don't know how to make characters in HD that don't look like plastic dolls.
And in the years since KH2 we've had a bajillion KH games which carried on the story or set up plot points for KH3 or provided more in depth look at certain characters so if people wanted more KH after 2 there were plenty of games to scratch that KH itch.
Never played the ones after that but I enjoyed the LR demo and I love me some dress up so that part speaks to me.
XII was great and while you could set it up in a similar way to FFXIII where it plays itself, it took a bit more effort to do compared to a few styles in XIII and but it also had other thigns going for it, like a good story, interesting areas and Balthier (the main character and also Han Solo).
XIV 1.0 was bad and anyone saying otherwise needs help and shouldn't be mocked.
XIV 2.0+ is the best modern FF game
XV is fun and has great music, beautiful visuals and a likeable group of backstreet boys but the story feels like massive chunks were torn out.
KH3 is taking so long because FFXV/vXIII took Nomura's time for years so he couldn't fully be committed to the KH games then he lost vXIII and now he's put on KH3 and VII:Re so I imagine the split time is why we've not heard or seen much of either of them. Plus KH3 had to change engines because Luminous is a pile of shit and then had to remake the models or something because they don't know how to make characters in HD that don't look like plastic dolls.
And in the years since KH2 we've had a bajillion KH games which carried on the story or set up plot points for KH3 or provided more in depth look at certain characters so if people wanted more KH after 2 there were plenty of games to scratch that KH itch.
If you were 14 when the first KH came out and played KHII a bit over 3 years later when you were 17 you got an extremely satisfying conclusion to the story arcs of the first three games. Just seeing one tiny cliffhanger about a letter from the king after the credits didn't make me think "I NEED KINGDOM HEARTS III NOW!!!! I need a "true" conclusion!!"
For the vast majority of those last four years of X-Play's existence KHIII wasn't even in development and it's not absurd at all that a AAA game still hasn't been released 4 years after starting development considering other AAA games have been cited as having 5-6 year development periods, the developers of this game are transitioning from making PSP/3DS games to PS4, and were forced to change engine over a year into development.
Nah I think the main reason we haven't seen much of either since 2015 is because all of 2016 Square Enix was laser-focused on the imminent FFXV and didn't want any of their other AAA JRPGs distracting from it. And we probably would have seen both around PSX if XV wasn't delayed but because of that I think their next showings were pushed back to the next major event, E3.
And there's also 2.8 which they had to promote last year/early this year, they weren't going to show KHIII in any significant capacity and overshadow it. I don't think Nomura working on both has slowed their progress, KHIII has a co-director to handle the day to day stuff.
blankslatenator
Banned
Well there is still room for 2.9 that re-releases everything in one big kahuna.
Chaserjoey
Member
The cutscene at the end of Kingdom Hearts 0.2 is titled "Kingdom Hearts 2.9". It's the scene that leads into KH3 so I don't think they'd reuse that title for another game collection.
KZXcellent
Member
Yeah but it would be pointless. Only reason to bundle the 3 Collections would be if they planned on bringing them to Xbox One or PC. I could see a bundle of "Kingdom Hearts: The Dark Seeker Saga" that bundles everything including KH3 when that comes out.
I also doubt we'd even get a 2.9 or any substantial KH release before KH3 period. They don't have any more games to easily remaster and it would require a new slice of content like the KH3 prologue that was included in 2.8. It wouldn't be worth the time and resources that need to be put on KH3 and it'd be a pretty bad value since plenty of people found 2.8 a hard sell to begin with.
I think most people's anxiety about a potential 2.9 comes from the final scene in KH 2.8 being called "2.9 The First Volume" or something to that effect. In the end that game ended with them blasting straight into KH3 so I don't see what else they could even squeeze out at this point.
MugiwaraCole
Member
I really believe Xbox players aren't getting a collection, and they're just gonna have to deal with that. Square's handling of being multi-platform post-PS4 world domination seems to be telling of the fact they only announced KH3 and XV as being so to cover their asses at the start of a new generation. Now that they've seen how sales (of consoles and their games on Xbox) have gone, they don't really seem to care about that part of the market. Which is kinda messed up, but I get it.
YuriLowell
Member
So how long until Tabata comes along and pushes this game out the door?
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The Broken Ska Record
Member
I'm usually thirsty for Kingdom Hearts news, but I'm strangely removed from needed more info.
I enjoyed it as well.
KZXcellent
Member
Yeah. I'd love for them to port it over so more people could enjoy all the games but I can see why they wouldn't. It's unfortunate.