old manatee
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I don't think the original Donkey Kong Country games aged well, so I just couldn't get excited about the reboot.
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The Dismissal of Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
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This is debatable.
I was disappointed that it wasn't Metroid, but more than that I was just very tired of 2D platformers at the time.
I'd be down for a re-release on Switch, though.
With that said...I have to admit I'll be pretty deflated if it turns out Retro are making Donkey Kong Country Returns 3. I have no doubt that it'd be a fantastic game, but I'd much rather they be working on Metroid or a new IP altogether. It's not that I think the series is beneath Retro - I'd just have much more interest different genres from them. Indies will inevitably provide more than enough 2D platformers for the Switch.
I'd be down for a re-release on Switch, though.
With that said...I have to admit I'll be pretty deflated if it turns out Retro are making Donkey Kong Country Returns 3. I have no doubt that it'd be a fantastic game, but I'd much rather they be working on Metroid or a new IP altogether. It's not that I think the series is beneath Retro - I'd just have much more interest different genres from them. Indies will inevitably provide more than enough 2D platformers for the Switch.
Kiddy Dong
Member
I am firmly convinced that this is one of the best games of all time, but there's something about the whole package and its marketing that seems unappealing. The box art for example, gives off a toys-to-life esque, shovelware kind of vibe, that doesn't give the impression of elite game design.
momshotdad
Member
That's logical.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
You already have that with Mario games which sell a lot more. There isn't any game to compare the Prime series with.
capylikesgames
Banned
Is it really that negatively received? Before launch, sure, but I see plenty of love for it nowadays. Even seen some people call it the best DKC installment ever released. I still need to beat Returns, but this is next on my list as soon as I beat it.
We're not getting Wii U VC, haha. I don't think the Switch has the horsepower. Might as well re-release it at this point.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
lol
I don't see anyone excited about Metroid at this E3. There's been no rumors as far as I know and the chances of Nintendo making a good new Metroid are roughly the chances of Konami making a good new Metal Gear game.
TheDinoman
Member
I dunno man, that kinda reminds me of Nintendo's stupid logic to why they ruined Paper Mario. "Well, we already have Mario & Luigi as an RPG spinoff, so why make Paper Mario one as well?", despite the fact that they're both completely different things.
Likewise, DKC is very different from 2D Mario even if they're both in the same genre. DKC is more focused on atmosphere and world building where Mario's all about being the most gamey game ever. You certainly won't see a Mario game with David Wise doing the soundtrack.
JaseMath
Member
Friend, arguing with you is like fighting with my ex. Look, I've stated my opinion and defended my position numerous times—stop telling me what I meant.
old manatee
Banned
Agreed. There is room for multiple varieties of good 2D platformers. I sure as hell am not interested in more New Super Mario Bros in the same way I am for more Donkey Kong Country.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I've always wanted to play it, but I don't want to buy a Wii U for it.
DKC was my favourite series as a kid and I was angry that it was neglected for over a decade. I'm so happy that I even got to play one new game in the series on the wii. I ended up buying the wiiu just because tropical freeze was announced. It made me kind of annoyed when I saw people disregard tropical freeze because it wasn't Metroid. I felt like saying "you got an entire trilogy of great games revisiting your child hood series, let me enjoy mine".
TheMoon
Member
updated with actual final screenshot (I just took that one). it's obviously not night and day but it made a difference nevertheless.
(e3 build)
Aldric
Member
Before Tropical Freeze's reveal Wii U already had a 2D Mario game, an exclusive (at the time) 2D Rayman game and a 2D Yoshi game. The very E3 where TF was first shown also gave us Mario 3D World, another game tailored for fans of linear platformers.
lt's not the consumers fault for expecting more variety from a console's library, especially coming from a developper that became known for creating some of the greatest single player 3D action aventure games of all time.
daTRUballin
Member
It was dismissed because it wasn't Metroid Prime 4. That's all there is to it.
I also feel like if Retro had announced a new IP instead, it would've seen the same backlash simply for not being MP4.....
I also feel like if Retro had announced a new IP instead, it would've seen the same backlash simply for not being MP4.....
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
"The right idea at the wrong time is the wrong idea" (not being metroid)
It's one of the greatest games I have ever played, and needs a HD bundle with the DKCR on Switch.
It's one of the greatest games I have ever played, and needs a HD bundle with the DKCR on Switch.
Herbspiceguy
Member
Reminds of the terrible narrative of having to feel sorry for poor Retro being stuck having to make yet another DKCR game because evil, conservative Nintendo. And how Retro's talent deserve better on better hardware.
pretty done
Member
This. They would be perfect for the Switch.
QuantumZebra
Member
This ^^^^^^^^^^
I made a thread on here about a year ago praising DK:TF as the best 2d platformer of all time. I still stand by that.
Absolutely AMAZING game. Lovingly and meticulously made, and ridiculously difficult. It's everything the newer 2D Marios are not.
That said... I want a new fucking Metroid game.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
I'm not interested in more quality platformers(Rayman, Mario, Donkey Kong) not matter how different they are when I could have gotten a Prime game that compares to nothing else on the system. This applied to my Wii U and sure as hell does with my current Switch
It was a 2D platformer on a system with plenty of 2D platformers.
It's not that it was a bad game, but the Wii U already had games in that genre by Nintendo alone, let alone indie developers who have also delivered quality games in that genre on the system. If another Donkey Kong game were to come to the Switch, I know I'd be disappointed, because there are indies out now (Shovel Knight, Wonder Boy, Blaster Master), and on the way (Hollow Knight) that are of a very high quality. And cheap. But there aren't games like Metroid Prime or a game like it that smaller developers can fill, at least not any I can see.
It's not that it was a bad game, but the Wii U already had games in that genre by Nintendo alone, let alone indie developers who have also delivered quality games in that genre on the system. If another Donkey Kong game were to come to the Switch, I know I'd be disappointed, because there are indies out now (Shovel Knight, Wonder Boy, Blaster Master), and on the way (Hollow Knight) that are of a very high quality. And cheap. But there aren't games like Metroid Prime or a game like it that smaller developers can fill, at least not any I can see.
CopperPuppy
Member
What am I missing with the bolded?
He's probably talking about Yoshi's Woolly World, although he's mistaken, that didn't come out before DK: Tropical Freeze but a year after.
SciencePilot
Member
I don't know what you're talking about: there's lots of love for this game on GAF. Sure there's hate for it too but there's always hate.
I didn't have a Wii U so I didn't get to play it, but I would definitely pick it up on Switch if it ever gets ported. Actually it's the only game I really want to see ported from Wii U.
I didn't have a Wii U so I didn't get to play it, but I would definitely pick it up on Switch if it ever gets ported. Actually it's the only game I really want to see ported from Wii U.
You mean the Switch that has no 2D platformer announced by Nintendo yet?
I'd love a final game in Retro's DK. As good as TF was there are still new ideas they could try to close the franchise.
CopperPuppy
Member
Right. Woolly World released like a year-and-a-half after Tropical Freeze. More if we're only talking NA.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Tropical Freeze. The best 2D platformer ever made. Should have been received like DOOM 2016 was.
Goddamn shame it wasn't a fucking shooter, eh?
Goddamn shame it wasn't a fucking shooter, eh?
pretty done
Member
git gud
The game wasn't even hard and I suck at platformers. I can't even beat the second world of Super Meat Boy. I will admit the bosses sucked, but so do the bosses in every 2D platformer.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
You went so far looking for the absolute worst screenshot of Tropical Freeze to cherrypick that you didn't even realize the one you grabbed was from an unfinished build. Who are you trying to fool, man?
Edit: Ok so that pre release pic is from Nintendo's website? Can't fault you there, then. Thats some shit.
AdropOFvenom
Neo Member
I remember being more annoyed at another 2D Platformer more-so then not-Metroid.
They launched the console and padded the library with quick, easy to develop 2D Platformers like New Super Mario Bros U (plus an entire game of New Super Luigi U as DLC), an "exclusive" Rayman game, and IIRC they announced Yarn Yoshi around the same point in time. Plus they were hitting you up with even more 2D Platformers on the 3DS, and NSMBU and DKCTF were already sequels of Wii games. The backlash was just as much about Nintendo going Retro sidescroller platformer overload when we wanted them to do something else.
Now to be fair, DKCTF was maybe the best of that era of 2D Platformers coming back. But we all needed them to take a break from that genre for a while.
I'd be cool if Retro's next project isn't Metroid. I would like it to be an ambitious project that looks good though. (And if they're not making Metroid, I would like someone else to be making it).
They launched the console and padded the library with quick, easy to develop 2D Platformers like New Super Mario Bros U (plus an entire game of New Super Luigi U as DLC), an "exclusive" Rayman game, and IIRC they announced Yarn Yoshi around the same point in time. Plus they were hitting you up with even more 2D Platformers on the 3DS, and NSMBU and DKCTF were already sequels of Wii games. The backlash was just as much about Nintendo going Retro sidescroller platformer overload when we wanted them to do something else.
Now to be fair, DKCTF was maybe the best of that era of 2D Platformers coming back. But we all needed them to take a break from that genre for a while.
I'd be cool if Retro's next project isn't Metroid. I would like it to be an ambitious project that looks good though. (And if they're not making Metroid, I would like someone else to be making it).
I mean...those screenshots are from the Nintendo website. He hardly scoured for bad shots.
QuantumZebra
Member
TheMoon
Member
in all fairness ...NOE still has these ancient E3 shots in their official gallery on the game's page.
http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Wii-U/Donkey-Kong-Country-Tropical-Freeze-765383.html#Gallery
AdropOFvenom
Neo Member
Woolly World was announced Jan 2013 (as Yarn Yoshi at the time)
DKCTF was announced e3 2013.
Platformers are pretty niche when you ignore all the moms that buy them for their kids. At the very least appreciation for the genre's game feel and level design is niche. A decent litmus test is seeing what game critics can even understand. DKCTF flew over their heads, and patience, for the most part.
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Nocturnowl
Member
It's funny to think TF was probably in development before both Yoshi and Rayman but that late reveal made it look like the latecomer trying to fit into a crowded genre.
Aldric
Member
lt was revealed before Tropical Freeze. The point is among high profile Wii U games you had too many 2D or linear 3D platformers. You can add Luigi U or Mario Maker to the list.
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