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Capcom focused on Monster Hunter: World for West, won't commit to MH:XX localization

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Rmagnus

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Seems like it's mostly Sony fanboys who seem to be happy about this shit discussion... Come on mh world is not going amywhere, why the fk are you guys shitting on the people who just want an existing game localised?
 
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DNAbro

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Hmm, I do hope they eventually localize cause I planned to get into the series with the Switch one. World looks cool too though.
 
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LordBaztion

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I've never played a monster Hunter but I like what I'm seeing. Can someone please explain me why there is such a negative reception here?
 
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Night Angel

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Cuburt said:
The first picture hardly has been debunked, in fact all we know only makes it seem more true:

-XX name was proven correct
-MH5 might not have been final, could have been negotiated (Sony seemed to make a deal for FF XIV to be numbered, exclusive game when XIII had come out not even that long before) and Capcom got cold feet not wanting to alienate their core base (because that would have been really stupid no matter how much money Sony was trying to pay for a numbered exclusive aimed at a Western audience).
-World being exclusive on PS4 in Japan and not on the Switch, while being on PC and Xbox, makes the next two points seem plausible, they paid for exclusivity in Japan since they are "desperate for Japan". And of course they would forbid Nintendo because they want to steal their base for the game, especially if the part about trying to make it MH5 is true. In fact, part of the naming of MH5 could be supported by the original team being involved. Most here have seemed to assume that to be true due to who is involved, despite not having a number.
-Gameplay could have been speculation about open world, such as if it's doesn't have the same sort of "arena" layout of the map but open areas you can travel across without loading. Timers seem to be gone. Missions can be formatted differently. We also don't know how much of the old combat with remain, but this seems more action focused from what we've seen. Music is taken from the cooking seems to be a change to make it more accessible to the west, we haven't seen characters like Felynes or more fantastical, light-hearted additions. Combat could have certainly been streamlined, simplified, or altered from the traditional formula to appeal to new fans.
-MH Portable is still stuff we have 0 knowledge of but if it exists, it would make sense that it was indeed MH5

The second sounds like lots of speculation (always has) but if it is indeed the same person it could fill in a lot of the blanks about what is going on in this situation.
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The Tasty! jingle has been confirmed to be in the game. All impressions I've seem from the E3 demo is that the gameplay is intact. Felynes and ALL 14 weapons are returning.

The fact that you're clutching hard to things that aren't (and can't be) confirmed when almost everything that can be proven is wrong (though guessing XX was a good guess, it's not such an unlikely name as to make guessing it improbable) tells me you WANT it to be true, but you don't have a real reason to believe so.

If part of this rumor has been proven to be wrong or baseless speculation (with no warning that the leaker was speculating on the points that are BS), the entire thing should be treated as such.
 
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DNAbro

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LordBaztion said:
I've never played a monster Hunter but I like what I'm seeing. Can someone please explain me why there is such a negative reception here?
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they haven't announced a localization for the Switch monster hunter which is coming to Japan before World does. that's it.
 
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TheGoreMagala

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LordBaztion said:
I've never played a monster Hunter but I like what I'm seeing. Can someone please explain me why there is such a negative reception here?
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I believe some people are upset with the fact that Worlds seems to get rid of most, or at least a good chunk, of traditional monster hunter mechanics. Previously it didn't seem to be an issue since people assumed those who preferred tradtirional MH would get MHXX for the Switch but now that that's not happening, people are generally upset over the lack of localization and being left with a game that they disagree with.
 
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NoMoreTrolls

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TheGoreMagala said:
I believe some people aren't upset with the fact that Worlds seems to get rid of most, or at least a good chunk, of traditional monster hunter mechanics. Previously it didn't seem to be an issue since people assumed those who preferred tradtirional MH would get MHXX for the Switch but now that that's not happening, people are generally upset over the lack of localization and being left with a game that they disagree with.
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But it doesn't though?
 
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Tengrave

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Busaiku said:
...Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate performed better on 3DS than Wii U, even outside of Japan.
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Fair, but they still count. Honest question, is it still so bad for them to presue new ideas on current hardware? If the vision of MH5/W can only run on current hardware why should that be a bad thing? For the record having both XX and W in the west would be great but at some point the franchise needs to evolve to avoid stagnation. It's unforutante it came at the cost of the last portable one's localization but the fanbase will survive. As fans of the franchise we should be disappointed in no XX but excited it survives on even on PC and Xbox.
 
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TheGoreMagala

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NoMoreTrolls said:
But it doesn't though?
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Some would argue the removal of seperate arenas, the fact that small monsters appear to be something worth worrying about, the gathering/tracking emphasis, stealth, grappling hook, running away, and lack of any discernible specific attack/break from the monster's animation all are a break from traditional monster hunter.

Personally I'm somehat excited for it but I'm trying to list as much as I can that I think is something someone wouldn't agree with.
 
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LordBaztion

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TheGoreMagala said:
I believe some people are upset with the fact that Worlds seems to get rid of most, or at least a good chunk, of traditional monster hunter mechanics. Previously it didn't seem to be an issue since people assumed those who preferred tradtirional MH would get MHXX for the Switch but now that that's not happening, people are generally upset over the lack of localization and being left with a game that they disagree with.
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oh, I see, so it seems Capcom wants everyone in the west to like Worlds. I suppose they don't want to split the community for a series that basically is making its first big push in the west.
 
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Usobuko

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I don't get why Sony needs to pay for it to be exclusive in Japan.

As if Sony give a shit about Japan or Monster Hunter on consoles when the draw is a bit due to portability.

I think the rumour is either wrong or Sony is stupid.
 
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pillowtalk

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This reminds me of that time capcom didnt localise MHP3rd. Had to import and play with fan translated guides (bless them) open at all times.

Edit: thinking about it now, this is kinda similar to capcom not localising mhp3rd, a psp game, around the time mh3 tri came out on the wii. But i bet they eventually will bring xx over tho.
 
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Kinsei

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Tengrave said:
Fair, but they still count. Honest question, is it still so bad for them to presue new ideas on current hardware? If the vision of MH5/W can only run on current hardware why should that be a bad thing? For the record having both XX and W in the west would be great but at some point the franchise needs to evolve to avoid stagnation. It's unforutante it came at the cost of the last portable one's localization but the fanbase will survive. As fans of the franchise we should be disappointed in no XX but excited it survives on even on PC and Xbox.
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We have an insider saying that they are going to keep making traditional portable games even after World releases so this has nothing to do with them avoiding stagnation.

The real question is if they're going to localize them or not. Really this shouldn't be a question but Capcom gonna Capcom.
 
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Tratorn

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Cuburt said:
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-World being exclusive on PS4 in Japan and not on the Switch, while being on PC and Xbox, makes the next two points seem plausible, they paid for exclusivity in Japan since they are "desperate for Japan". And of course they would forbid Nintendo because they want to steal their base for the game, especially if the part about trying to make it MH5 is true.

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There are many PS4/One/PC games exclusive to PS4 in japan, do you think Sony paid for all of them?

Really no offense, but you sound like the people who still call Tidux (as an example) an insider because he got 1 out of 50 things right.

Most of the things that can be proven wrong, are just wrong. So it just doesn't make sense to still reference this rumour.
 
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Gotdatmoney

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Tengrave said:
Fair, but they still count. Honest question, is it still so bad for them to presue new ideas on current hardware? If the vision of MH5/W can only run on current hardware why should that be a bad thing? For the record having both XX and W in the west would be great but at some point the franchise needs to evolve to avoid stagnation. It's unforutante it came at the cost of the last portable one's localization but the fanbase will survive. As fans of the franchise we should be disappointed in no XX but excited it survives on even on PC and Xbox.
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What does MH:W have to do with XX? I don't get the point you are making.
 
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TheGoreMagala

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LordBaztion said:
oh, I see, so it seems Capcom wants everyone in the west to like Worlds. I suppose they don't want to split the community for a series that basically is making its first big push in the west.
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But if anything their current course of action is doing just that, splitting the community and alienating "traditional" fans of MH. And knowing the community, I wouldn't be surprised if they put forth a lot of effort to try to get Capcom to localize MHXX. They'll likely refrain from buying Worlds and try to make it so that western fans buy the Japanese version of XX more than they buy Worlds.
 
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Alex

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LordBaztion said:
I've never played a monster Hunter but I like what I'm seeing. Can someone please explain me why there is such a negative reception here?
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Going off the rumors and the somewhat oddball first clip with no context, we were left to our own assumptions but I think now that they've clarified a lot (although there's still a lot more to go) people have settled down as it's seemingly a fully proper Monster Hunter and not just a pandering to the west project.

No news on XX is still poor form though, highly irritating.
 
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Spirited

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LordBaztion said:
I've never played a monster Hunter but I like what I'm seeing. Can someone please explain me why there is such a negative reception here?
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We are negative in this thread because they haven't said anything about localizing their latest MH game, MHXX.

This is not a thread about MHW really.
 
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Cuburt

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Night Angel said:
The Tasty! jingle has been confirmed to be in the game. All impressions I've seem from the E3 demo is that the gameplay is intact. Felynes and ALL 14 weapons are returning.

The fact that you're clutching hard to things that aren't (and can't be) confirmed when almost everything that can be proven is wrong (though guessing XX was a good guess, it's not such an unlikely name as to make guessing it improbable) tells me you WANT it to be true, but you don't have a real reason to believe so.

If part of this rumor has been proven to be wrong or baseless speculation (with no warning that the leaker was speculating on the points that are BS), the entire thing should be treated as such.
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I was going by the World trailer and haven't seen any gameplay (being that it's E3 and there is so much else going on), and the cooking jingle didn't play in the trailer. If I'm wrong about the gameplay, then I'm wrong, I just haven't personally read or seen any aspects that point to this being a full blown traditional MH game.

You seem to be the one projecting about what you want to be true (or false in this case) since getting the name right doesn't mean it's was just a lucky guess since it could have been X Ultimate or something else.

I also wouldn't assume one bit of wrong info discredits the whole thing since that's not always how leaks pan out since things change. Besides, the I give the first post more credibility for getting at least some part of the post credibility by being proven correct, and who knows if the second part is the same person or who valid their info source is when they are spilling all kinds of gossip making up the bulk of the post.

Tratorn said:
There are many PS4/One/PC games exclusive to PS4 in japan, do you think Sony paid for all of them?

Really no offense, but you sound like the people who still call Tidux (as an example) an insider because he got 1 out of 50 things right.

Most of the things that can be proven wrong, are just wrong. So it just doesn't make sense to still reference this rumour.
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Where am I applying one thing as a blanket statement of "proof"? A PS4 exclusivity just makes it more plausible, especially since it lines up with several other aspects in the post that may make it more than just a coincidence.

And sure, cherry pick one part of my post to discredit what I am saying while trying to paint me as cherry picking one verified correct piece of info as if everything else is verified false.
 
NoMoreTrolls

NoMoreTrolls

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Cuburt said:
I was going by the World trailer and haven't seen any gameplay (being that it's E3 and there is so much else going on), and the cooking jingle didn't play in the trailer.

You seem to be the one projecting about what you want to be true (or false in this case) since getting the name right doesn't mean it's was just a lucky guess since it could have been X Ultimate or something else.

I also wouldn't assume one bit of wrong info discredits the whole thing since that's not always how leaks pan out since things change. Besides, the I give the first post more credibility for getting at least some part of the post credibility by being proven correct, and who knows if the second part is the same person or who valid their info source is when they are spilling all kinds of gossip making up the bulk of the post.
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Read some impressions, bro. Also, devs said that the jingle is in. The rumor is bullshit, but believe what you want.
 
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HashtagLapsed

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TheGoreMagala said:
But if anything their current course of action is doing just that, splitting the community and alienating "traditional" fans of MH. And knowing the community, I wouldn't be surprised if they put forth a lot of effort to try to get Capcom to localize MHXX. They'll likely refrain from buying Worlds and try to make it so that western fans buy the Japanese version of XX more than they buy Worlds.
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This wouldnt surprise me at all.

I would buy a Switch for XX. I commute 10 or more hours a week and love local MH so I am more interested in XX. I hope World turns out good and I am primarily a PC gamer but I am skeptical so far and much more interested in XX/Generations 2. I'm pretty pissed off about this so far.

MH was a franchise I always knew I could count on being great. Now I really dont know and I feel like any expressions of doubt about World are getting shouted down by people who havent even stuck by the series for so long.
 
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NewGame

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Fukuzatsu

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Night Angel said:
The Tasty! jingle has been confirmed to be in the game. All impressions I've seem from the E3 demo is that the gameplay is intact. Felynes and ALL 14 weapons are returning.

The fact that you're clutching hard to things that aren't (and can't be) confirmed when almost everything that can be proven is wrong (though guessing XX was a good guess, it's not such an unlikely name as to make guessing it improbable) tells me you WANT it to be true, but you don't have a real reason to believe so.

If part of this rumor has been proven to be wrong or baseless speculation (with no warning that the leaker was speculating on the points that are BS), the entire thing should be treated as such.
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This is the bulk of my problem with the reaction as well--a lot of assumptions based on a short trailer, followed by even more ridiculous claims based on a random 4chan post whose only provable fact is that the next MH game was called XX.
 
NoMoreTrolls

NoMoreTrolls

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HashtagLapsed said:
This wouldnt surprise me at all.

I would buy a Switch for XX. I commute 10 or more hours a week and love local MH so I am more interested in XX. I hope World turns out good and I am primarily a PC gamer but I am skeptical so far and much more interested in XX/Generations 2. I'm pretty pissed off about this so far.

MH was a franchise I always knew I could count on being great. Now I really dont know and I feel like any expressions of doubt about World are getting shouted down by people who havent even stuck by the series for so long.
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Counterpoint: I think many of the criticisms pointed at MHW are a result of Nintendo MH fans being angry about a change in platform, leading me to believe that they weren't around for the Playstation games. I've seen tons of Switch based salt in this and other MHW topics. I would argue that the people who have stuck with the series the longest remember how great the console entries could be, and want to see a return to a more impressive MH.

I would love a localization of XX, too.
 
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Beats

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Pretty disappointed with the news since I was really looking forward to XX, but I hope they still try to bring any future portable entries to the west even with their MH:World push. I plan to get MHW, but I probably wouldn't have been able to play the past two games as much without the portable aspect.
 
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Night Angel

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Cuburt said:
I was going by the World trailer and haven't seen any gameplay (being that it's E3 and there is so much else going on), and the cooking jingle didn't play in the trailer. If I'm wrong about the gameplay, then I'm wrong, I just haven't personally read or seen any aspects that point to this being a full blown traditional MH game.

You seem to be the one projecting about what you want to be true (or false in this case) since getting the name right doesn't mean it's was just a lucky guess since it could have been X Ultimate or something else.

I also wouldn't assume one bit of wrong info discredits the whole thing since that's not always how leaks pan out since things change. Besides, the I give the first post more credibility for getting at least some part of the post credibility by being proven correct, and who knows if the second part is the same person or who valid their info source is when they are spilling all kinds of gossip making up the bulk of the post.



Where am I applying one thing as a blanket statement of "proof"? A PS4 exclusivity just makes it more plausible, especially since it lines up with several other aspects in the post that may make it more than just a coincidence.

And sure, cherry pick one part of my post to discredit what I am saying while trying to paint me as cherry picking one verified correct piece of info as if everything else is verified false.
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What's more reasonable, blindly believing portions of a rumor that is mostly false because I want to believe those untested parts of the rumour, or assuming it's crap after almost all of it (the parts that will ever be verifiable, anyway) is proven false?

All 3 posts were made by the same person.

You are acting as if MHW is a westernized non-MH game because of this rumor without actually following the updates on MHW that prove this rumor is false. On top of that, you're certain the real MH5 is coming to Switch because of the same rumor that only has ONE thing right: the name of MHXX.

But yeah, I'm unreasonable to doubt it.
 
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KCroxtonJr

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It's gonna be so great when this releases, and all the people feeling upset are playing and loving the game like this thread never existed. Can't wait to hunt with you all!
 
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chicken_pasta

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Kyoufu said:
The combat in MHW is still the same.

The multiplayer hunting in MHW is still the same.
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But I can't do it on the go with other players. This is why I want XX.

Edit: I really have nothing against MHW. In fact, I may end up getting it. What upsets me is the fact they won't localize XX, because I can't play MHW as I intended to play XX.
 
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Thoraxes

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NoMoreTrolls said:
Counterpoint: I think many of the criticisms pointed at MHW are a result of Nintendo MH fans being angry about a change in platform, leading me to believe that they weren't around for the Playstation games. I've seen tons of Switch based salt in this and other MHW topics. I would argue that the people who have stuck with the series the longest remember how great the console entries could be, and want to see a return to a more impressive MH.

I would love a localization of XX, too.
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I would take a Vita version, heck even an N-Gage version. I just need it to be portable and to have local co-op (something offered by the last three entries released in the west). Everything else is secondary.
 
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superpickleman

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Pretty stoked about this, I love me some MH. Can't wait to see what they have in store for this one. Losing the portability aspect does sting quite a bit (local co-op :[[[[)but I can't pass on this.

HYPE
 
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Syril

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NoMoreTrolls said:
Then you're gonna be disappointed. I'm pretty sure prowlers are out. If that was the main selling point of MH for you, I don't know what to tell you.
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Yeah you got me. That certainly was the main selling point of Monster Hunter. All those games, from the very first one I knew the culmination would be when you could play as the annoying cats that suicide bombed you while you were trying to fight.
 
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TheGoreMagala

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NoMoreTrolls said:
Counterpoint: I think many of the criticisms pointed at MHW are a result of Nintendo MH fans being angry about a change in platform, leading me to believe that they weren't around for the Playstation games. I've seen tons of Switch based salt in this and other MHW topics. I would argue that the people who have stuck with the series the longest remember how great the console entries could be, and want to see a return to a more impressive MH.

I would love a localization of XX, too.
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Even if you've been around for PlayStation games, you can't negate the impact that portability had on the series. And for a game that requires as much grinding as Monster Hunter, with countless hours put in, I don't think that much of what consoles have to offer would make me prefer console over portable (though I'll admit the controls weren't the best on portable but they weren't THAT bad). Yeah the game might look prettier and have better controls and a connected big map, and a few extra gameplay mechanics (which arguably could've been put on a portable depending on the mechanics in question), but personally portability means more to me than any of that.

And the thing is, with the Switch, you could've gotten the best of both Worlds, allowing for everything (or almost everything) mentioned above AND portability. I can't expect a game that looks like World to run on the Switch but XX HD would've been a start and a ground up MH for Switch I would argue would still look gorgeous.
 
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