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[Orniletter]

I own a PS4 and I'm not getting mhw partly because I know they are playing games with us. They are trying to push this product at the expense of the product I want ( portable monster hunter). If I bought world just to try it out I would be a hypocrite and be part of the problem.

Kind of....agreed.

Their whole handling of this has been such a massive turnoff for me.
I've literally bought 5 copies of MH over the last generation (WiiU and 3DS version of 3G, a digital and physical copy of 4U and Generations) and got 4 friends into the series (we were all looking forward to XX on Switch/3DS, there is really nothing quite like a "MH guild").

It's a coinflip if I'll be there for World.

I hope this shitshow will be worth it for Capcom. What a stupid company.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

One thing that's going to be really frustrating about the (supposed) next MH on Switch is how Capcom will handle localization.

They won't treat it like World. It won't be created to appeal to the west. It won't launch globally.

So, if Switch gets a new MH title, I wouldn't expect it outside Japan before 2020.

Yay! Fortunately, I have a PS4 and am quite excited for World, but portable MH fans are likely in for a very long wait.

 

[MysticX]

it´s so fracked up that they are localizing one game but not the other. one would think that having a game on all systems would be good for business since not everyone owns every console out there...but oh well....

and this isn´t the first time capcom has screwed the nintendo base anyway...so no surprise there

 

[Gotdatmoney]

well they do localize storie

as some have pointed it out the currency of games for gamers is not so much money .. its time.

I feel a good chunk (not all, chill) of the people downplaying this didn't buy Generations. Which makes the thing even funnier. If you didn't even buy Generations how are you in a position to talk about supporting Capcom (as if supporting Capcom is the point)

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

One thing that's going to be really frustrating about the (supposed) next MH on Switch is how Capcom will handle localization.

They won't treat it like World. It won't be created to appeal to the west. It won't launch globally.

So, if Switch gets a new MH title, I wouldn't expect it outside Japan before 2020.

Yay! Fortunately, I have a PS4 and am quite excited for World, but portable MH fans are likely in for a very long wait.

So capcom wont get a dime from me until 2020 then. Their bad.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Kinda feels that way considering they seemed to well know the name of the PS4 game about a week in advance

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=239245185&postcount=138
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=239259903&postcount=339

The trademark for the name was filed the same day as his posts. Just because the GAF thread took a few days to pop up doesn't mean someone else did not notice it sooner.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

One thing that's going to be really frustrating about the (supposed) next MH on Switch is how Capcom will handle localization.

They won't treat it like World. It won't be created to appeal to the west. It won't launch globally.

So, if Switch gets a new MH title, I wouldn't expect it outside Japan before 2020.

Yay! Fortunately, I have a PS4 and am quite excited for World, but portable MH fans are likely in for a very long wait.

I think it depends if Switch gets a Spring or Fall release of 19. I don't know if a year would be enough to develop a new title for a new system so I'm leaning towards Fall and that would mean 20 for the West.

Edit got my years wrong lol, too lazy to edit; we should get it in 19

 

[BitStyle]

So capcom wont get a dime from me until 2020 then. Their bad.

Yeah, if there isn't a peep about portable localizations by the time the PC version is out I'll probably be out. World isn't keeping the best part of the Generations series (Prowler) to me, which really rekindled my fun with the series. Maybe when they add something similar to the World series I'll be back in.

RIP Boomerang cat-bros

 

[SporeCrawler]

It doesn't exist in the west which is the problem. Now people are implying that if we want to see more monster hunter games in the future on either platform, we need to support ones we may not want to buy.

hey if i have to invest massive amounts of time in a game to enjoy it i want it to be properly supported

 

[Colonel Mustard]

I get maybe an hour a week of actual TV time for games. The 100+ hours I put in to stuff like Zelda and Generations (obviously) was all done off TV, typically in bed or while cooking or some other task.

Being able to play on a TV is nice, but ultimately worthless to me as I never have the time to do it. If we don't get XX, some other game will provide me with a time-sink, likely Skyrim or Xenoblade.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I get maybe an hour a week of actual TV time for games. The 100+ hours I put in to stuff like Zelda and Generations (obviously) was all done off TV, typically in bed or while cooking or some other task.

Being able to play on a TV is nice, but ultimately worthless to me as I never have the time to do it. If we don't get XX, some other game will provide me with a time-sink, likely Skyrim or Xenoblade.

Exactly. The switch fits in my life and allows me to play at my leisure. I don't mind worlds existing, but damn, don't you around with the announcement of XX for the west because of it.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I think it depends if Switch gets a Spring or Fall release of 19. I don't know if a year would be enough to develop a new title for a new system so I'm leaning towards Fall and that would mean 20 for the West.

Edit got my years wrong lol, too lazy to edit; we should get it in 19

My guess is mid-late 2019 is the earliest a new portable MH would release in Japan, which would mean early to mid 2020 for an international launch.

 

[Kilrogg]

Their official statement is worthless. It's just stating an obvious fact that everyone already knows and does nothing but try to direct negative attention away even though it's pretty obvious that they don't aren't going to do anything about XX besides hope that everyone forgets it exists. Gotta focus all the attention on MH World!!

I mean, I could obviously be wrong. I'm not an insider or anything.

But you're not providing any argument to back up your claim. All I'm seeing is that you're disgruntled at the whole situation - which I can understand. I stand by my analysis: they are bringing the game... Just not now.

Think about it: if you wanted people to forget about a game not being brought over, would you keep bringing up the subject and making clarifications such as "at this instant" or "our official response is that we have not announced..."? No, you'd just say "The game is not coming." Statements like "our official response is we have not announced..." are like saying "we are not allowed to talk about it". They're not a hard confirmation that a game is not coming. It's just a way for whoever holds the Twitter account to tapdance their way around saying "we will most likely bring it at some point but my boss will hit me if I say it now because the higher-ups are keeping that announcement for later". It's kinda stupid if you ask me, but then, video game PR has always been baffling to me.

 

[SporeCrawler]

My guess is mid-late 2019 is the earliest a new portable MH would release in Japan, which would mean early to mid 2020 for an international launch.

i think they will have a 3DS/Switch portable MH in mid to late 2018. they are kinda dependent on MH portable sales at the moment. from 2010 to 2017 they had 6 traditional MH games and 1 spinoff (stories) on portables so pretty much one every year. they must be crazy if they think MHW will match MH portable sales.

 

[El Pescado]

My guess is mid-late 2019 is the earliest a new portable MH would release in Japan, which would mean early to mid 2020 for an international launch.

That's assuming that Capcom would localize it and not just leave it in Japan.

Also assuming Sony doesn't have some kind of PSP3 on the way. Didn't some game company hint at a PSP3 at some point recently?

But you're not providing any argument to back up your claim. All I'm seeing is that you're disgruntled at the whole situation - which I can understand. I stand by my analysis: they are bringing the game... Just not now.

Think about it: if you wanted people to forget about a game not being brought over, would you keep bringing up the subject and making clarifications such as "at this instant" or "our official response is that we have not announced..."? No, you'd just say "The game is not coming." Statements like "our official response is we have not announced..." are like saying "we are not allowed to talk about it". They're not a hard confirmation that a game is not coming. It's just a way for whoever holds the Twitter account to tapdance their way around saying "we will most likely bring it at some point but my boss will hit me if I say it now because the higher-ups are keeping that announcement for later". It's kinda stupid if you ask me, but then, video game PR has always been baffling to me.

Yeah, but GameSpot updated their original story after Capcom called them out on Twitter to read

Update: Capcom has reached out to GameSpot to clarify that it has no plans to localize Monster Hunter XX for Switch "at this time." The original story has been updated to reflect that. Originally, when asked, "Are there any plans to bring Monster Hunter XX, the Switch version, over here?" to which a representative for the company clearly replied, "No."

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

This isn't a Nintendo vs Sony/MS/PC thing.

This is Capcom failing their handheld consumers in the West.

I feel like one of the sharks in the tv show Shark Tank.

I'm out.

 

[SporeCrawler]

That's assuming that Capcom would localize it and not just leave it in Japan.

Also assuming Sony doesn't have some kind of PSP3 on the way. Didn't some game company hint at a PSP3 at some point recently?

yeah this isnt happening MH or not. not after how they left Vita to die.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

It's not fuckheaded. They have no plans to localise MHXX right now. What more are they supposed to say? People keep saying that this isn't a MHWorld thread so stop talking about it, but the intensity of this vitriol has definitely been accelerated because of MH World's announcement. I guarantee if MH World hadn't been announced, but Capcom still said that MHXX wasn't being localised then reactions from Nintendo fans would have been far more muted.

Reaction from Nintendo fans, lmfao.

REACTION FROM MONSTER HUNTER FANS.

 

[El Pescado]

yeah this isnt happening MH or not. not after how they left Vita to die.

I don't think it is either, but it was out there in someone's Financial Reports or something. It might have been Squeenix actually.

It isn't really the point of this issue at all though.

 

[depward]

I feel like the reason why us Monster Hunter fans are having a shit fit is because when we saw the Japanese reveal of XX for Switch, our thinking automatically was:

• Capcom had been very quiet about XX for 3DS
• Capcom had been treating us Nintendo console owners pretty well
• Capcom had seen success with releasing MH games in the West

Suffice to say, even though we shouldn't have thought as much, I think we thought this was a lock for a Western release.

We got too comfortable with Capcom. Were making too many assumptions based on the last couple of years that we've been having some solid MH support for Nintendo consoles (e.g. decent localization turnaround times, special edition 3DS consoles, etc.).

That's why a lot of us are fuming about this. I know understand the pain that other Capcom franchise fans have. And it sucks.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

As a side note. Even if by some miracle we get XX I wont be buying Vanilla MH ever again on any platform. This debacle has made it clear you cant expect Capcom to be clear, concise, honest and dependable with the expansions to this franchise.

So I wont be buying in until all the content is out anymore. Generations burned me. 3U not releasing on Wii sucked too even though I eventually bought it on WiiU (and again started from scratch)

 

[Camjo-Z]

I mean, I could obviously be wrong. I'm not an insider or anything.

But you're not providing any argument to back up your claim. All I'm seeing is that you're disgruntled at the whole situation - which I can understand. I stand by my analysis: they are bringing the game... Just not now.

Think about it: if you wanted people to forget about a game not being brought over, would you keep bringing up the subject and making clarifications such as "at this instant" or "our official response is that we have not announced..."? No, you'd just say "The game is not coming." Statements like "our official response is we have not announced..." are like saying "we are not allowed to talk about it". They're not a hard confirmation that a game is not coming. It's just a way for whoever holds the Twitter account to tapdance their way around saying "we will most likely bring it at some point but my boss will hit me if I say it now because the higher-ups are keeping that announcement for later". It's kinda stupid if you ask me, but then, video game PR has always been baffling to me.

They've done this multiple times with many MH games. They'll never admit "we're not localizing this", they'll just say "we have no announcement at this time" forever until enough time passes and everyone eventually gives up. If this was the only MH game on the horizon I might be inclined to believe that they're just biding their time for a strategic announcement, but with their comments about "focusing 100% on MH World for the West" it seems pretty clear that they plan to completely ignore this game.

And if they are secretly planning to release this and are just making the bizarre choice to say nothing about it for a few months? Good! There's still no reason for fans not to light a fire under their ass about it just to make sure.

 

[BitStyle]

I feel like the reason why us Monster Hunter fans are having a shit fit is because when we saw the Japanese reveal of XX for Switch, our thinking automatically was:

• Capcom had been very quiet about XX for 3DS
• Capcom had been treating us Nintendo console owners pretty well
• Capcom had seen success with releasing MH games in the West

Suffice to say, even though we shouldn't have thought as much, I think we thought this was a lock for a Western release.

We got too comfortable with Capcom. Were making too many assumptions based on the last couple of years that we've been having some solid MH support for Nintendo consoles (e.g. decent localization turnaround times, special edition 3DS consoles, etc.).

That's why a lot of us are fuming about this. I know understand the pain that other Capcom franchise fans have. And it sucks.

Yep, which is why I'm done assuming. Through their current messaging, there isn't a title for portable MH players in the west, and I'm not inclined to assume that will change. Assumptions got us here

 

[Kilrogg]

They've done this multiple times with many MH games. They'll never admit "we're not localizing this", they'll just say "we have no announcement at this time" forever until enough time passes and everyone eventually gives up.

Do we have any sources for this? I know it's not the first time Capcom has failed to localize an MH game, but I didn't follow those stories back then. Not doubting you, mind you, but I'd need the exact quotes to see if this is a similar situation. This latest tweet really bugs me. It seems too carefully phrased. Something's going on.

And if they are secretly planning to release this and are just making the bizarre choice to say nothing about it for a few months? Good! There's still no reason for fans not to light a fire under their ass about it just to make sure.

That I can agree with. Crapcom indeed.

 

[Plum]

What I want to know is... if MHW flops (which is very likely imo) what exactly does Capcom plan to do? They're putting all this money into a new gen of MH that won't appeal to Japan and hasn't got the greatest chances of being a hit in the West, localizing MH:XX would at least be a contingency plan for the Western audience.

 

[BitStyle]

What I want to know is... if MHW flops (which is very likely imo) what exactly does Capcom plan to do? They're putting all this money into a new gen of MH that won't appeal to Japan and hasn't got the greatest chances of being a hit in the West, localizing MH:XX would at least be a contingency plan for the Western audience.

If Capcom craters their MH IP like their other ones, investors will be calling for blood.

Luckily, I'm sure World will do fine. I only hate the current circumstance because western localizations for the MH portable titles seems like its in jeopardy. Capcom has an opportunity to grow the MH userbase quite a bit, but they're taking a half-measure in my eyes.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

What I want to know is... if MHW flops (which is very likely imo) what exactly does Capcom plan to do? They're putting all this money into a new gen of MH that won't appeal to Japan and hasn't got the greatest chances of being a hit in the West, localizing MH:XX would at least be a contingency plan for the Western audience.

World will do fine. It wont outsell anything they did on the 3DS but it will still do prob 3 million or so when all is said and done.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

World will do fine. It wont outsell anything they did on the 3DS but it will still do prob 3 million or so when all is said and done.

The question is....will "fine" be good enough for Capcom?

 

[Gotdatmoney]

The question is....will "fine" be good enough for Capcom?

If they are chasing consoles they already know they wont grow from what the were doing on handhelds.

 

[Plum]

If Capcom craters their MH IP like their other ones, investors will be calling for blood.

Luckily, I'm sure World will do fine. I only hate the current circumstance because western localizations for the MH portable titles seems like its in jeopardy. Capcom has an opportunity to grow the MH userbase quite a bit, but they're taking a half-measure in my eyes.

World will do fine. It wont outsell anything they did on the 3DS but it will still do prob 3 million or so when all is said and done.

I guess I just can't see it doing the 4+m in numbers that Capcom would need to see to justify the dev costs and consider it "growth." Resi7 wasn't able to do such numbers and I'd consider that a lot more Western-oriented than Monster Hunter but with QoL improvements. It's also coming out near God of War and dangerously close to Red Dead 2 and it's not like PC is that much safer a platform either.

 

[BitStyle]

I guess I just can't see it doing the 4+m in numbers that Capcom would need to see to justify the dev costs and consider it "growth." Resi7 wasn't able to do such numbers and I'd consider that a lot more Western-oriented than Monster Hunter but with QoL improvements.

If they are expect 4+million then sure, I'd be skeptical if they could reach target. World should be able to do 2-3 million without much issue

 

[RichiRamjag]

The question is....will "fine" be good enough for Capcom?

So true. They set these crazy expectations for their games. Just can never feel like a franchise is safe.

As a side note. Even if by some miracle we get XX I wont be buying Vanilla MH ever again on any platform. This debacle has made it clear you cant expect Capcom to be clear, concise, honest and dependable with the expansions to this franchise.

So I wont be buying in until all the content is out anymore. Generations burned me. 3U not releasing on Wii sucked too even though I eventually bought it on WiiU (and again started from scratch)

Oh yeah. Don't blame you at all. They're very wishy washy about the franchise.

 

[SporeCrawler]

As a side note. Even if by some miracle we get XX I wont be buying Vanilla MH ever again on any platform. This debacle has made it clear you cant expect Capcom to be clear, concise, honest and dependable with the expansions to this franchise.

So I wont be buying in until all the content is out anymore. Generations burned me. 3U not releasing on Wii sucked too even though I eventually bought it on WiiU (and again started from scratch)

so fucking true

 

[Plum]

If they are expect 4+million then sure, I'd be skeptical if they could reach target. World should be able to do 2-3 million without much issue

Resident Evil 7 had a 10m sales target and that was a classical 7-8 hour survival horror with a relatively small budget. I really don't think Capcom are going to be modest enough to see 2-3m as a "success" for MH in the west, especially considering the opportunity cost of not laying the groundwork for a true MH5 on Switch in Japan. It's an incredibly risky move and pissing off Western portable fans by not localizing XX only makes it riskier.

 

[SporeCrawler]

If they are expect 4+million then sure, I'd be skeptical if they could reach target. World should be able to do 2-3 million without much issue

lets not discuss world here. its about XX and XX could do a million + in the west alone if released on 3DS and switch (so combined with the potential switch sales in japan and the japanese 3DS sales which are at 1,5 million atm they could reach up to 3,5 million imho).

 

[Lonely1]

I would have prioritized the PC sku over the XB myself.

If they are chasing consoles they already know they wont grow from what the were doing on handhelds.

Capcom hasn't shown to bee the brightest when it comes to this kind of business decision.

 

[Nanashrew]

This isn't a Nintendo vs Sony/MS/PC thing.

This is Capcom failing their handheld consumers in the West.

I feel like one of the sharks in the tv show Shark Tank.

I'm out.

Yep.

I've been saying in this thread for awhile that if they want MH to continue to grow they need consistent releases of all the MH titles so they can expand on the brand to be more for everyone from traditional, to this new open world one, to whatever wacky one that have in store. There will be failures, it will take awhile to see the growth and expansion they want out of the brand.

Becoming inconsistent and failing their fans will only drive them away and thus lose out on a foundation that will be there day 1 to support you.

It's not even a console war thing at all. People just want to play Monster Hunter and Capcom is failing to provide adequately enough.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Oh yeah. Don't blame you at all. They're very wishy washy about the franchise.

so fucking true

Either way, no XX in the West, no MH for me anymore period so lets just work on one issue at a time

Capcom hasn't shown to bee the brightest when it comes to this kind of business decision.

Currently they are a garbage company with garbage management that has really good IPs. Sucks but it is what it is.

I still dont think they are dumb enough to believe World is going to do more than 4.2 million total. 1 million in Japan and 3.2 million worlwide? Naw fam, you aren't doubling from 4U and trippling from Generations in the West.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Yep, which is why I'm done assuming. Through their current messaging, there isn't a title for portable MH players in the west, and I'm not inclined to assume that will change. Assumptions got us here

The sorest thing about all this is that the Switch has the signs and potential into turning portable gaming actually a thing in the West, not relegated to some kiddie gaming or casual thing. If that happens... Then Capcom gonna Capcom again and completely miss the boat. Again. For the nth time. Again.

 

[ultrazilla]

IMPORT NeoGAF:

So will this be the "first big" title fans outside of Japan in the United States, UK, etc will have to import since the Switch is region free? And is this the kind of game where you'll need localization or can people "find their way through it"? Cheers!

 

[BitStyle]

IMPORT NeoGAF:

So will this be the "first big" title fans outside of Japan in the United States, UK, etc will have to import since the Switch is region free? And is this the kind of game where you'll need localization or can people "find their way through it"? Cheers!

There are a large portion of translated bits yo can find online, so the community definitely will have you covered if you opt for importing.

 

[Plum]

IMPORT NeoGAF:

So will this be the "first big" title fans outside of Japan in the United States, UK, etc will have to import since the Switch is region free? And is this the kind of game where you'll need localization or can people "find their way through it"? Cheers!

I've played very little MH (funnily enough a Switch version would reverse that trend) but from what I have heard it's not a game you can just figure out in Japanese. Lots of text vital to what you need to do so you'd have to use an external guide if you wanted to know things.

 

[obeythed1734]

There are a large portion of translated bits yo can find online, so the community definitely will have you covered if you opt for importing.

It's just already a complex game in ones native language and it's even more obtuse when you need to translate every single obscure ass mat that has a single digit drop rate

 

[ChrisD]

IMPORT NeoGAF:

So will this be the "first big" title fans outside of Japan in the United States, UK, etc will have to import since the Switch is region free? And is this the kind of game where you'll need localization or can people "find their way through it"? Cheers!

If you've played a recent MonHun, you can find your way around the game easily enough even in Japanese. For learning what's in what menu, equipment crafting, certain Gather Quests, and a few other small things, you'll likely want a guide pulled up. As a whole, the games are import friendly, but the experience isn't nearly as nice as having it in a language you can understand.

 

[evangd007]

Resident Evil 7 had a 10m sales target and that was a classical 7-8 hour survival horror with a relatively small budget. I really don't think Capcom are going to be modest enough to see 2-3m as a "success" for MH in the west, especially considering the opportunity cost of not laying the groundwork for a true MH5 on Switch in Japan. It's an incredibly risky move and pissing off Western portable fans by not localizing XX only makes it riskier.

I'm telling you guys, Capcom is known for its pie-in-the-sky sales expectations. They looked at the kind of success that Destiny and the Division had and said, "Hey, Monster Hunter is a loot game kind of like a that." That's what they are shooting for, and they will be sorely disappointed.

 

[BitStyle]

It's just already a complex game in ones native language and it's even more obtuse when you need to translate every single obscure ass mat that has a single digit drop rate

Yeah, it's more convenient when it's all localized. Also sucks because I can't transfer my english Generations save to it

 

[Gotdatmoney]

IMPORT NeoGAF:

So will this be the "first big" title fans outside of Japan in the United States, UK, etc will have to import since the Switch is region free? And is this the kind of game where you'll need localization or can people "find their way through it"? Cheers!

If you never played MH it's gonna be tough. You can definitely just play it barebones with just armour upgrades and hunting. But you really are gonna have trouble scratching deeper mechanics if you have to search everthing all the time. The game is already stupidly text heavy.

 

[ChrisD]

Yeah, it's more convenient when it's all localized. Also sucks because I can't transfer my english Generations save to it

This is why importing doesn't seem as "problem-solving" to me as it otherwise would have been. I have a lot of stuff in Generations that I'd rather not have to re-obtain.

 

[obeythed1734]

This is why importing doesn't seem as "problem-solving" to me as it otherwise would have been. I have a lot of stuff in Generations that I'd rather not have to re-obtain.

I was just saying to a friend, if this was a standalone title I would just import and move on without so much fuss but this is starting to feel eerily similar to losing save data you had so much time invested in over the years.

 

[tuffy]

If anyone's thinking of importing, Kiranico's MHXX database gives a good idea of what to expect. Some things might be navigable by their icons, but there's a lot of names for a lot of different things and trying to craft anything by translating back-and-forth in order to start looking for what you need is sure to be a huge pain in the ass.