No, it's not spot on, unless Reggie's words hold more weight than the actions of developers he isn't in charge of and has no control over. But apparently on here, words speak louder than actions for some people
I think it's more that what an idealised leading man looks like in Japan is different to various western countries. These trends change over time, western games ape cinema in that 80s box art was littered with blokes looking like bodybuilders, whereas today its trendier to be athletic rather than huge.If anything they've trended away from the typical "man's man" characters. Link has seemingly been becoming more androgynous, despite Aonuma claiming there's nothing behind it
No, it's not spot on, unless Reggie's words hold more weight than the actions of developers he isn't in charge of and has no control over. But apparently on here, words speak louder than actions for some people
Kinda sounds like a GG's sentiment; "I don't like politics in my games! I just want to get back to playing games that only characters like me!"
Nintendo IS fine with the American political status quo. But so are most transnational corporations apparently, so it's not like they're especially heinous in comparison.
Most of the gaming industry if not all of it couldn't pull it off to save there lives anyway
They want to pretend to be deep with certain talking points. Farcry 5 is the embodiment of it. Have your cake and eat it too type of mentality.
What fascist nonsense is being justified here? Not being political?"In the current climate" seems to have become the standard generic phrase for justifying even the most fascist nonsense.
This thread is crazy. I just want to play Kirby.
I don't know if you're being serious, but if you are, that's a terrifying sentiment.
It's not that there's a moral imperative to do so, it's that every game inherently does so. Using "political" clouds this a bit, but the real point here is that every work someone makes inherently has messages that reflects their beliefs and/or intent, and to act otherwise is foolish and cowardly at best.
Trying to act like this isn't the case is disingenuous, and if we want to talk about moral imperatives, I do think feeding into this belief that you can somehow be apolitical (when what that generally actually means is regressive, or at least anti-progress) is in fact flawed morally due to the negative impact it has on people. Look at what just came out of interviews about Detroit- David Cage trying to say that his game that's literally about oppression and slavery somehow doesn't have a message, it just asks questions. Such statements cater to people who don't want games to have messages, and that's a political act in itself.
EDIT: Sorry to essentially talk past you- didn't see your latest reply before posting. Nor did I realize you were the same poster I originally quoted, oops.
Kirby just got done telling a story about corporate greed and industrialization consuming a man's humanity.
No it's not. Art is, in simplest terms, an expression of creativity.
When people think representation in the media and acknowledgement of human rights being trod upon is "political," you can usually tell the status quo treats them just fine.
A voice of a minority or otherwise uncommon or systemically marginalized entity should still be heard. People who actively antagonize the former group should be shunned or denounced by society, even if they're a source of profit. How "controversial."
I get games as escapism. But some people are more affected by the lack of acknowledgment or empathy from the games they're playing, and their enjoyment is hindered by that.
I mean, I guess we could all play Tetris or something to escape. Solves all the issues right there.
The assertion about what is, or is not art is not creative. It is political.
You want us to have fun? So why are you forcing us to use an external mobile app and a headset with 2 cables, 1 to the phone and the second to the switch for ingame game chat?
That's not having fun, that's bollox.
I mean, I guess we could all play Tetris or something to escape. Solves all the issues right there.
The assertion about what is, or is not art is not creative. It is political.
Cant wait to see this response plastered in every thread asking about playable female characters from Nintendo
What fascist nonsense is being justified here? Not being political?
Are all games art? is picross art?
Are all games art? is picross art?
You seem to be actively ignoring the games Nintendo has been creating and solely looking at this statement for some bizarre, inexplicable reason
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Social commentary comes at us in strange forms sometimes.
I'm mostly addressing the people in this thread who are obviously irritated by anything that makes them uncomfortable, which they cover over with the blanket term "politics" or "political."
Those kind of people need to be educated, and understand that societal changes and perspectives that contrast with their own needn't be waved away with a catch-all buzzword or viewed as threatening.
When a dev says "we're making a political game" wouldn't that give you different expectations compared to other games? It's true that in a sense every game is political, but when that classification is so broad it also becomes kind of meaningless. Reggie seems to interpret it in the sense of commenting on current issues.Literally every decision in making a piece of art sends a message, whether the creator is conscious of it or not. Literally every goddamn one. Just because you don't intend for your work to impact someone in a positive or negative psychological manner doesn't change the fact that it probably will and that it's something worth examining and thinking about. Also, too many people here seem to think politics only refers to overt political parties or shit like that.
Ah got it. No problemI meant the sentiment that everyone who is not with you is against you. I thought the post I quoted made that claim, but reading it a second time I probably misread it.
It will for a while its a huge fad at the moment, basically because of the US. If you dont have political statements in your game you are basically the devil these days. Just look at the David Cage thread.Pretty creepy that the absence of a political statement is causing so much ire.
Nintendo largely makes entertainment for children that adults also happen to like.
But nobody was arguing that. You didn't quote anybody. And this is a thread about Nintendo.
Except it's not fine when "save the helpless princess" is far from being non-political and strengthens some stereotypes in society that way too many people still hold on to. If anything, Nintendo making kid oriented games makes them more responsible to not have that kind of shit in their games.Yes, you shouldn't expect Mario: Bioshock edition.
This is fine, they're aimed at a kids/family audience.
So we have one thread where David Cage says he doesn't want to make any political statements with his gaema nd the overall reactions is: "Cool, I'm ok with that." Reggie says basically the same thing: "Omg art can't exist without political context fuck off Reggie!"
Kirby just got done telling a story about corporate greed and industrialization consuming a man's humanity.
Disney can make kids' movies like Zootopia that handle serious topics like racism & prejudices, no reason why Nintendo couldn't do the same & infuse some positive, inclusive societal commentary into the settings/stories of their games in a clever way.
I think I get it, it's very understandable to not want to have politics in Mario and Zelda. Makes perfect sense, but, as usual with Reggie, probably could've been worded better.
Kirby just got done telling a story about corporate greed and industrialization consuming a man's humanity.