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Metroid: Samus Returns (Mercury Steam, Metroid 2 reimagining, 9/15) announced for 3DS
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the_milkybar_kid
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It might be the best Metroid game ever made, but I can't look past the jaggies and hideous look of it. That and AM2R looked way better stylistically.
eXistor
Member
3DS games tend to look way better on an actual 3DS.
Klappdrachen
Member
Other M takes place AFTER Prime Trilogy.
- Metroid/Zero Mission
- Prime 1
- Prime Hunters
- Prime 2
- Prime 3
- Federation Force
- Metroid 2
- Super Metroid
- Other M
- Fusion
Also, for awhile I think Prime was considered its own timeline and therefore the storylines aren't affected.
Metroid games are actually pretty standalone game wise it might only spoil you a bit on Fusion cuz of Adam.
It spoils nothing about Prime games at all tho.
Don't expect a great game tho go in with low expectations but yeah starting with Other M is smart after that you can enjoy the true masterpieces in the franchise
Immaculate
Banned
get the shit game out of the way first so you can enjoy the good ones right after
GeekyDad
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What specifically was terrible about it?
TheMoon
Member
It's a pricey endeavor but have you considered importing the Japanese version of Other M to get the JP VO (it has EN subs/text, just like Super) and in general just have the amazing JP box design with the cardboard sleeve.
Sure, but that's still terrible writing. We've seen them battle ten times at this point, what is to be gained by bringing adding PTSD to Samus' character at that point in the series?
And didn't the manga itself have Samus get over her PTSD? So why shoehorn it in that late? There really is no point to it. And it's hardly the most egregious thing about the game. You can harp on "technical limitations" if you so choose, Samus to most fans and even other developers(Retro) has been established already.
I get that the defense force exists because they find it humanizes Samus. But to me it honestly takes away a lot from what made us love her in the first place. She isn't a dramatic, talkative, father figure obsessed, clumsy, eager child struggling to grow up in an unfair world. She's a stoic, heroic, athletic, fearless, powerful action movie heroine type. She is a simple character, a great one, and she never needed to be anything more.
TheMoon
Member
I actually hope we don't fight Ridley in Samus Returns. I'm a bit tired of him popping up in every game.
Magicpaint
Member
I didn't think it was terrible, just mediocre and that was mostly down to the drawn out combat system that didn't do the 2D gameplay any favours. Felt like a slog at times.
psychowave
Member
Except unlike Cloud, Samus's PTSD came out of nowhere. And her "comeback" means jack shit when half an hour later she's forced to watch while a man beats the final stage for her.
The PTSD is 100% a way to make Samus seem weak because god forbid we have a ruthless, emotionless female protagonist in an industry full of ruthless, emotionless male protagonists.
That would be a really weird thing to happen. This is the one Metroid game without any Space Pirate appearances or intervention.
Saying that, they could include a tease that shows how Ridley knew Samus kept the Baby Metroid around and delivered it to the research lab. Perhaps Ridley is stalking her?
Storywisw it's safe... but why on earth would you do this?
The manga was only published in Japan, so its events have never been disclosed in an international game (except for those Zero Mission completion pictures). The timing and execution in the game was awkward though.
And this would be the third time she has fought him in the classic timeline.
GeekyDad
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That's about right, really. It's been a while since I played it, but I remember really enjoying it early on, getting a little bored with it later on. But yeah, it wasn't terrible. It was obviously more of an homage to the older games than the Iga Castlevanias, but it wasn't bad. I just always read comments like that saying it was terrible. Always seems like such an exaggeration.
In any case, Sakamoto seems integrally involved in this game, so I have confidence in it. And they showed enough of it at the Treehouse event to get me excited for it. I'm not expecting anything groundbreaking, but then, not every game has to be in order for me to have fun.
Ten times? Samus has faught Ridley in Metroid/Zero Mission, Super Metroid, Other M and Fusion (Parasite X clone). The Prine games aren't canon and aren't mentioned in Fusion, Other M or even hints that Samusnis going to Tallon at the end of Zero Mission
FreedomFighter
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I am so pumped for this game. I'll have day one.
And yes, I'm one of the few people who really enjoyed Mercury Steams 3DS Castlevania. I thought it was an awesome game.
And yes, I'm one of the few people who really enjoyed Mercury Steams 3DS Castlevania. I thought it was an awesome game.
Metroid games are actually pretty standalone game wise it might only spoil you a bit on Fusion cuz of Adam.
It spoils nothing about Prime games at all tho.
Don't expect a great game tho go in with low expectations but yeah starting with Other M is smart after that you can enjoy the true masterpieces in the franchise
Thanks i fancy playing some metroid before the 3DS remake hits and Other M looks easy to play first on my wiiu. Will save Prime for after
It'll be a cold day in hell when I consider Other M "canon" and discard the entire Prime series.
And as far as I know, they were considered canon UNTIL Other M came out and contradicted so much of the Prime stuff (and also so much of the non-Prime stuff). Really, the Prime games work perfect without Other M in the timeline, while Other M doesn't work at all with the established canon whatsoever.
So, including the Prime games, yeah, Samus has battled Ridley upwards of 10 times.
1. Metroid/Zero Mission
2. Super Metroid opening
3. Super Metroid near the end
4. Metroid Prime
5. Metroid Fusion
6. Metroid Prime 3 opening
7. Metroid Prime 3 near the end
8. Metroid Other M
And if you include Other M, you have to include the Japanese manga that so much of Other M was based on.
9. Metroid Manga
So that's nearly 10 times she's faced him down. Link hasn't even fought Ganon that many times.
Sorry dude, Prime series contradicted much of the mainline Metroid games and opened a can of worms regarding the supposed High Command, The ings and Luminos, Ridley, the galactic federation and their aurora units
I was being hyperbolic with the number of times. Point being she fought him quite a few times without any hint of hesitation before. Pulling PTSD out of nowhere is idiotic writing.
And fuck it, man. It's all canon. If inconsistencies are the issue than no such thing as canon exists. Fusion came out around the same time as Prime 1, Other M came much later and failed(to most people, anyway) at establishing it's placement. At this point, who actively gives a fuck about canon in a game where story has always been supplementary?
So what you are saying is it never had any real connection? Or at least, it didn't until Other M decided it was?
Even then. The manga, for all intents and purposes, is fine as flavor text. and I recall Samus overcame the PTSD by the end of it. Which would explain why she doesn't freak out when Ridley shows up in the games sans the one everybody wants to forget.
Now, what I want to know: Why defend PTSD as a character trait for Samus? Is it really because of the almighty "canon"? Even if said canon comes from what is essentially a novelty item?
Are we really going to act like the "main series" doesn't have it's own contradictions, retcons and what have you?
I'm a bigger fan of the 2D games too. But the Prime games were great. They fit in nicely, inconsistencies or not. It honestly feels like you're cherry picking based on your headcanon more than anything.
Klappdrachen
Member
The Prime games are very much canon, can we stop perpetuating this misinformation? They're set between Metroid and Metroid II.
You can thank Sakamoto for that. he was the one who decided to launch this on 3DS, I hope there's a Switch version incoming.
The Prime games are their own thing. Sakamoto even talked about it last E3.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2017/06/18/samus-returns-39-developers-on-bringing-back-2d-metroid-and-why-mercurysteam-is-developing.aspx
balladofwindfishes
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There's nothing in the Prime games that contradict anything from the 2D games, so I'm not really sure why this even needed to be the case.
And even then it's pretty weird since Zero Mission is clearly in the Prime canon
Klappdrachen
Member
That doesn't mean that they're not canon, it just means that they tell their own story (Phazon) and don't have much influence on the events of the other Metroid games
Sakamoto HATES the Prime games with Passion, He will not pass an opportunity to trash them.
Magicpaint
Member
He has no right to trash them after the turd he birthed in Other M. Honestly the Prime games are the main reason Metroid is my favourite franchise. The 2D stuff is neat too though and I am very excited for Samus Returns.
And honestly I don't care if the Prime games are canon or not. The Prime universe is a very different feel and tone in general and it is held back when it has to be stuck in between Metroid I and II.
Klappdrachen
Member
I don't really believe that, considering he borrowed quite a lot of design elements from the Prime games when he made ZM and now again with Samus Returns.
TheDinoman
Member
No, it's because Metroid is internally considered to be two different series. Sakamoto works on the 2D Metroids and Tanabe leads the Prime series. Neither of them work with each other all that much, it seems.
Sakamoto's games have always been seen as the "mainline" series while the Prime series is considered a "side story".
He still believes nothing is wrong with Other M.
He never recovered from Retro Studios reviving his IP, from Other M we can see the Samus he has in his head is completely different from the Samus the Prime games present.
It is pretty obvious, there are a few interviews where he says the Prime series is not cannon, they're a kind of a spin off, a "what if" if you like.
That was not the case until Other M came along. Only after it released is when Nintendo started referring to them as a side story. Personally i would much rather have Other M be a side story considering how bad it was but whatever.
TheMoon
Member
Link's at 10 or 11 with Ganon if you count everything. Without going into Manga or any non-game stuff.
Please leave the silly fan fiction out of this.
Yes.
TheDinoman
Member
Well...
Translation: "Interviewer: Why does the game begin with a flashback to Super Metroid? Does that mean the Metroid Prime games are simply an aside in the series timeline?
Sakamoto: I wouldn't go that far. The Prime games shouldn't be excluded from the timeline."
balladofwindfishes
Member
She didn't even flinch when fighting a zombie abomination Ridley
Which seems like it'd be the one that would scare her the most.
Which seems like it'd be the one that would scare her the most.
Thanks i fancy playing some metroid before the 3DS remake hits and Other M looks easy to play first on my wiiu. Will save Prime for after
If you can play Zero Mission, Super Metroid and Fusion too then you are all set. Metroid Prime Hunters is not that bad but it's not near the quality of the other 3 Prime games.
Don't miss out on the 2D games tho they are equally as good as the prime games! All of the ones i Mentoined should be on Wii U VC.
Edit: btw i actually liked Other M gameplay wise the story was mehish. And it actualy still is a 7.9 with most reviews combined so it's not a pure bad game at all.
Anyway enjoy!
Klappdrachen
Member
Again, he never said that. He mentioned "side story" which does not mean "not canon". People just want unnecessary drama.
Other M has been discussed so much on this board that it's a pretty boring subject now, honestly.
Honestly, the issues come from the fact that Sakamoto wanted to tell three different stories that had never been formally told in a Metroid game:
1. The death of Samus' parents at the hands of ridley
2. The relationship between Samus & Adam
3. Samus' feelings about the Baby Metroid.
I don't think any one of these is a bad storyline for Samus. There's a lot you can do with each. Doing all three of them in one game is rough, however. To talk about the death of the baby metroid, they had to set it after Super Metroid. But that means that both samus dealing with Adam and the death of her parents is pushed significantly late into her career.
You ultimately have three different flashback stories running parallel to each other and it's hard to get connected to any given one and give a shit. We're just expected to feel as conflicted as samus about Adam, the baby metroid, and her parents even though all of that happened in the past through flashbacks that we're only given in peacemeal bits. This is why scenes like Samus blindly following Adam's ridiculous orders and her freaking out at Ridley's appearance seem so jarring: we're not given any real context for them. Had we known why Samus trusted Adam so much, before that scene, it might have made a lot of sense. But all we're left with is some vague flashbacks and a boring monologue about her hating him for some reason.
I'm not a huge fan of telling stories through flashbacks because it leads to problems like this. It can be done well, but it takes a tremendous amount of effort and skill. I really think that the best, most effective way to tell a simple story is as linearly as possible, but that's difficult to do in games.
Anyway, the point of all this is that I think Sakamoto's gotten this stuff out of the way now. If he wants to flesh out the story of Samus and the Baby metroid in Samus Returns I don't think that's an issue if it's all he focuses on. I actually liked the way he integrated Samus' past into Zero Mission, and the dude knows how to subtly drop clues into games about samus' history. I'm really not that worried at all.
Honestly, the issues come from the fact that Sakamoto wanted to tell three different stories that had never been formally told in a Metroid game:
1. The death of Samus' parents at the hands of ridley
2. The relationship between Samus & Adam
3. Samus' feelings about the Baby Metroid.
I don't think any one of these is a bad storyline for Samus. There's a lot you can do with each. Doing all three of them in one game is rough, however. To talk about the death of the baby metroid, they had to set it after Super Metroid. But that means that both samus dealing with Adam and the death of her parents is pushed significantly late into her career.
You ultimately have three different flashback stories running parallel to each other and it's hard to get connected to any given one and give a shit. We're just expected to feel as conflicted as samus about Adam, the baby metroid, and her parents even though all of that happened in the past through flashbacks that we're only given in peacemeal bits. This is why scenes like Samus blindly following Adam's ridiculous orders and her freaking out at Ridley's appearance seem so jarring: we're not given any real context for them. Had we known why Samus trusted Adam so much, before that scene, it might have made a lot of sense. But all we're left with is some vague flashbacks and a boring monologue about her hating him for some reason.
I'm not a huge fan of telling stories through flashbacks because it leads to problems like this. It can be done well, but it takes a tremendous amount of effort and skill. I really think that the best, most effective way to tell a simple story is as linearly as possible, but that's difficult to do in games.
Anyway, the point of all this is that I think Sakamoto's gotten this stuff out of the way now. If he wants to flesh out the story of Samus and the Baby metroid in Samus Returns I don't think that's an issue if it's all he focuses on. I actually liked the way he integrated Samus' past into Zero Mission, and the dude knows how to subtly drop clues into games about samus' history. I'm really not that worried at all.
People seem to forget this? Sakamoto doesn't like Prime Samus and was jelous of the Critical acclaim of the games, it was WIDELY discussed here years ago.
Of course a slap in the hand by Iwata could have changed his view on the Cannon issue...
I dunno...gameplay wise, this is looking a lot like Other M in 2D...except the whole analog movement thing while stationary (which is ultimately like first person aiming in Other M, if you think about it).
TheDinoman
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...it just looks like a 2D Metroid done with a 2.5D graphical style.
The melee counter thing is kinda reminsicent of Other M's flashy finisher animations. That one similarity doesn't make it "Other M in 2D".
Sgt.Pepper
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I just finished replaying Fusion. I forgot they locked you outbox of the sectors near the end. Probably my biggest gripe with the game.
It may resemble it, but Other M's basic movement separated from the bizarre contortions imposed by its strange position between 2D and 3D design and restrictive control scheme doesn't seem like the worst thing that can be taken from it. Its ideas might work better as avenues to expand standard 2D Metroid gameplay rather than being the foundation of a 3D hybrid combat system.