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Trumpcare (Obamacare repeal) may be law within days. This could be the final stand

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Maxim726X

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Uh, yes actually.

Why do you think this entire thing was done behind closed doors and kept in super secrecy?

They KNEW the backlash is gonna be massive and they want to avoid that.

Protests and organization absolutely DOES work, in this case they're desperately trying to sneak around all that.

They're still about to pass a wildly unpopular bill. It's not as if they've been dealing with angry constituents for a few days... It's been months. Angry town hall meetings, protestors on the Hill...

Again, if any of this mattered it wouldn't even be being discussed. The fact that a bill with 16% approval is on the verge of being passed tells you all you have to know about the power of public opinion.
 

norinrad

Member
As a person that lives in a city that voted Trump by 63% and a red state with no insurance I'm terrified.

I'm already dead aren't I?

It's your own fault for being poor. Maybe Ivanka could hire you as a bodyguard?

What bothers me is that a few old men could be so evil.
 
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Surprise surprise, he got banned for derailing a thread and is trying to hide behind GAF's moderation policy to avoid taking responsibility for his posts.

Homeboy talks a whole bunch of shit but when it comes time to produce receipts he runs and hides behind "You can't talk about moderation!".

#FOH

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What the fuck!?? That is the most pathetic, petty, childish, brain dead, idiotic reason to have a beef with someone on an internet forum. Idiotic dumbass.
 

jelly

Member
Won't this just enrage people?

Do they just want to make a tidy profit for a few years and hope they don't lose seats, Dems don't get into power and try again. Anything for a little money.
 

Beartruck

Member
Won't this just enrage people?

Do they just want to make a tidy profit for a few years and hope they don't lose seats, Dems don't get into power and try again. Anything for a little money.
Republicans are unlikely to lose senate seats in 2018 due to who is up for re-election so Mitch has no reason to care. The house republicans will get butchered if this passes, but not his problem I guess.
 

Beartruck

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i would care about this had the Dems had any balls when they wrote the first bill. they didn't, they wrote it behind closed doors, they let the insurance lobby write the bill, and we got what we got. i still don't have health care because i can't afford it and now i owe the taxpayer extra money on top of that due to the fees.

they should have put in a public option. then there would be massive support, people in the streets, etc. what the original bill was was a massive handout to the insurance industry. next time put in a public option.
Blame Joe Lieberman. He was the 60th vote and refused to give it unless the public option was removed.
 
They're still about to pass a wildly unpopular bill. It's not as if they've been dealing with angry constituents for a few days... It's been months. Angry town hall meetings, protestors on the Hill...

Again, if any of this mattered it wouldn't even be being discussed. The fact that a bill with 16% approval is on the verge of being passed tells you all you have to know about the power of public opinion.

You can go on and on about how protesteting doesn't matter but the reality is that it's always better than the alternative, which is just laying down on the floor and doing nothing.

The protests WILL have an effect, no matter what these guys do. Public opinion absolutely does matter because it assures that there will be hell to pay one way or another depending on how they go about this.
 
Republicans are unlikely to lose senate seats in 2018 due to who is up for re-election so Mitch has no reason to care. The house republicans will get butchered if this passes, but not his problem I guess.

They could lose seats, it's just that the Democrats getting the majority would be tricky and would require a pretty significant wave to take someone like Cruz down.
 

RionaaM

Unconfirmed Member
You guys are arguing against a wall. No amount of beating compassion into Trump voters will change their views. You should instead focus on how it harms him individually.
Yes, Trump voters have shown time after time they do not care about anybody else. Hell, most of the times they don't even care about themselves (cue all those "I'd vote for him again" quotes).

Fuck every single Trump voter.
 

zelas

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There have been protests, the GOP doesn't care though, you saw how McConnell basically forced the cops to drag out those poor weak people when they tried to protests. Republicans are inhuman monsters.
I'm talking about MASSIVE protests. Like the March for Women, Science, and those against Trump's muslim garbage. If this ranks as a top issue for voters then where is the enthusiasm that fueled protests of those sizes? It doesn't seem like liberal voters are making this as hard as possible for republicans to pass. Hell from my perspective at least, there has been more focus on democrat in-fighting in recent days.
 
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Its kind of impressive to see Unknown Soldier hit hit a new low. I remember him implying that the only reason minorities in the south voted for Clinton instead of his messiah cuz of her relation to Bill Clinton.

Dude is an ass

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What the fuck!?? That is the most pathetic, petty, childish, brain dead, idiotic reason to have a beef with someone on an internet forum. Idiotic dumbass.

Its just pathetic
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
I'm talking about MASSIVE protests. Like the March for Women, Science, and those against Trump's muslim garbage. If this ranks as a top issue for voters then where is the enthusiasm that fueled protests of those sizes? It doesn't seem like liberal voters are making this as hard as possible for republicans to pass. Hell from my perspective at least, there has been more focus on democrat in-fighting in recent days.

I think we should do those things because they energize our people, but the GOP will not care. Did you see them literally having police handcuff and haul away disabled people from Congress yesterday? There's images of women in wheelchairs being detained
 

3rdman

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Republicans are unlikely to lose senate seats in 2018 due to who is up for re-election so Mitch has no reason to care. The house republicans will get butchered if this passes, but not his problem I guess.

I may be wrong, but I believe this has to go back to the house for another vote from them since there were changes to their version.
 
Well I guess I better start working overtime and pad my savings a little faster, in case shit goes south for me...or for someone close.
 

Darklor01

Might need to stop sniffing glue
Here's a thought for those who might be wondering if Trump Care will pass at some point. There is voting involved. This man got elected with votes. What do you think might happen at some point.

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I'm talking about MASSIVE protests. Like the March for Women, Science, and those against Trump's muslim garbage. If this ranks as a top issue for voters then where is the enthusiasm that fueled protests of those sizes? It doesn't seem like liberal voters are making this as hard as possible for republicans to pass. Hell from my perspective at least, there has been more focus on democrat in-fighting in recent days.

That takes time, and people just don't have the ability to do things like that, and again as has been mentioned already the GOP doesn't care.
 
Yeah, unfortunately. Should it pass the Senate (which is looking likely) anyone who says the House will stop it at that point is kidding themselves.

And anyone who thinks Trump won't sign anything that hits his desk that could realistically be called an Obamacare repeal is also kidding themselves. If it passes the Senate, it's happening.
 

rjinaz

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Unfortunately I think it passes, but hope for the best. If it does pass all I can hope is that the Democrats that broke into song after it passed the House were right, that it ends up crashing the "party".
 

DarthWoo

I'm glad Grandpa porked a Chinese Muslim
I think you guys are underestimating Capitol Hill security lol

That's actually an interesting hypothetical. If there was a march numbering in the tens of thousands or more, and hundreds to thousands of people simultaneously began assaulting the White House fence, would they be willing to start firing on the crowd? Heck, I'd imagine some of the security might have just as much to lose from this garbage bill.
 
It's only a matter of time.

"How many people have to die before you're satisfied?"

For these 301 congressmen, who willingly sentence millions to squalor, suffering, and death, it's incalculable. There is no end they deem 'enough,' not while there's power, and money, and power to get more, and money to grease the gears to grab more power.

I would say that, very soon, the answer from a not insignificant number of people will be "301."
 

Kthulhu

Member
It's only a matter of time.

"How many people have to die before you're satisfied?"

For these 301 congressmen, who willingly sentence millions to squalor, suffering, and death, it's incalculable. There is no end they deem 'enough,' not while there's power, and money, and power to get more, and money to grease the gears to grab more power.

I would say that, very soon, the answer from a not insignificant number of people will be "301."

There will not be riots over this. You're only setting yourself up for disappointment.
 

Somnid

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At this point it's not just about a final stand but also the contingency plan for what happens next. Don't make singular bets, cover your bases.
 

Ekai

Member
The bill won't even take effect until after the next presidential election. Only the politically informed will be angry until then.

Pretty much. Republicans seem to be banking on them losing the presidency in 2020 so they can blame it on the Democrats to their base that they hope doesn't realize it was them.

Also fuck Mitch.
 
The bill won't even take effect until after the next presidential election. Only the politically informed will be angry until then.
That's not how that works. Obamacare didn't take effect in 2010, but Republicans sure got upset about it regardless and voted the D's out in droves. When the bill itself takes effect is wholly irrelevant, especially since the AARP will no doubt be going for these guys heads if it passes.
 
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