There is no mobile market! I know its hard for people to understand this. But the market for a dedicated handheld gaming device is gone It takes Pokemon to sell a third of the consoles of your previous generation for Nintendo! The Vita sold terrible in comparison to even the underwhelming 3DS. Nintendo is making a gamble that by making an underpowered home console portable they can get whats left of the dedicated handheld market and get their dedicated home console fan base on the same system. Any sort of successor to the Vita is doomed from the get go. Smartphones and tablets have completely devoured the handheld gaming market that we used to know. It makes ZERO financial sense for Sony to try and get back into it.
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It would be relatively easy for Sony to counter Switch's success
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SinCityAssassin
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I'm going to ignore your premise OP because it's ridiculous how you think it'd be "easy" to counter something like the Switch without factoring in all the real world context that made the Switch a success and what ultimately failed with the Vita.
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In a single post.
The closest thing sony would do is a "Remote Play Gamepad", a simple gamepad with screen and the required components for remote play, nothing more, it could be a good idea actually, but it wouldn't be a Vita :\
audio_delay
Neo Member
Why does sony need to bother about this?
PSVR is in good health, PS4/Pro is leading and their mobile phones are still popular (but probably too expensive for most people).
If you want sony to kill all competition, they might as well just buy them out. Bascially if you want sony to "counter" NSW, that would mean to kill off the ps4 and make a new platform, so that all third party only support this new platform.
Nintendo managed that, because the WiiU was dying.
PSVR is in good health, PS4/Pro is leading and their mobile phones are still popular (but probably too expensive for most people).
If you want sony to kill all competition, they might as well just buy them out. Bascially if you want sony to "counter" NSW, that would mean to kill off the ps4 and make a new platform, so that all third party only support this new platform.
Nintendo managed that, because the WiiU was dying.
Moon Presence
Member
Sony doesn't need to counter anything. PS4 is a gold mine.
FairFriend
Member
Regarding the first paragraph, I wrote "relatively easy" meaning that coming up with a Vita revision to counter the Switch would be easier than creating an altogether new platform.
Regarding the second paragraph, holy s***!
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
OP has got you guys hook, line, and sinker. The "relatively easy" bit should have been a dead give away.
Do you remember what games the 3DS had at that point in it's life? Vita was in a good position right out of the gate. Yeah they fumbled as time went on, and Nintendo starting gaining ground with new games and the massive price drop.... but around Vita launch it was still up in the air.
SinCityAssassin
Member
And that is a key real world factor that would be critical to the success of a Switch counter. Sony's overall involvement and support into making it a success vs Nintendo.
DID the trick.
I mean, konami is still releasing VC, there was a Cars3 game and Ubisoft will probably release Just Dance for the WiiU but that does not mean that devs WILL abandon it
FairFriend
Member
People are kinda misunderstanding my point.
When I said "counter" I meant with the intention of preventing the complete disappearance of Sony's share in the mobile market, in order to lay the foundation of a more vital (eheh) platform. I used the expression "to steal someone's thunder" merely to suggests that this Vita revision should imitate what the Switch is doing in order to catch the interest of those who have been intrigued by the idea of a system that allows you to play games both on the go and at home.
The real question is whether there is a market share to be saved at all and whether Sony is interested in doing that.
if it's not getting the latest and greatest from Sony and Co. it's not imitating the Switch
MegaManTrigger
Banned
"Relatively easy"
If such was the case, we would already see a rendition of your often suggested idea being announced and/or released by now.
If such was the case, we would already see a rendition of your often suggested idea being announced and/or released by now.
Yep. Lots of people are missing this subtle but important distinction.
There's no point in a revision. At this point a new portable would need to be more powerful than Switch and perhaps offer backwards compatibility with Vita.
They would also need to consider and engineer for docked/undocked modes. Just offering HDMI-out is missing the point of the Switch I think. Local multiplayer gaming out of the box is a huge selling point for the system. They would need to come up with an elegant 2 controller solution that allows for local multiplayer and handheld play in one. Not an easy task.
I think the most realistic scenario would be a Vita 2 (which copies the detachable controllers) and a similarly powered Switch 2 launching around the same time. Only issue will be the Switch's early lead in software development and the amount of console class games available. Not impossible but not an easy counter either.
They would also need to consider and engineer for docked/undocked modes. Just offering HDMI-out is missing the point of the Switch I think. Local multiplayer gaming out of the box is a huge selling point for the system. They would need to come up with an elegant 2 controller solution that allows for local multiplayer and handheld play in one. Not an easy task.
I think the most realistic scenario would be a Vita 2 (which copies the detachable controllers) and a similarly powered Switch 2 launching around the same time. Only issue will be the Switch's early lead in software development and the amount of console class games available. Not impossible but not an easy counter either.
boiled goose
good with gravy
3ds was horrible hardware with weak year 1 lineup.
Vita still failed.
Switch is good hardware with much better first year software.
Easy?
Vita still failed.
Switch is good hardware with much better first year software.
Easy?
Because it's not just enough that Sony succeed, all others must fail
None of the OP's suggestion fix the problem both the PSP and the Vita had: weak first party lineup that was often at odds with the console line up. Nintendo handhelds have long been "first class citizens" while the PSP and Vita got spin-offs made by B-teams.
Sony's sole advantage in the handheld space was being able to offer significantly higher specs than Nintendo while launching near-simultaneously. That's not really possible this time around, Nintendo is already using reasonably high-end mobile parts on the Switch (specially the GPU), so Sony would merely produce a clone that would lack Nintendo's focused first party efforts (since Sony would still need to focus on the PS4) without offering much in exchange.
Also, an "overclocked" Vita would be much weaker than the Switch. The PS Vita uses basically the same hardware as the iPad 2 with a few enhancements. That's woefully outdated and would have a hard time running Switch ports.
Sony's sole advantage in the handheld space was being able to offer significantly higher specs than Nintendo while launching near-simultaneously. That's not really possible this time around, Nintendo is already using reasonably high-end mobile parts on the Switch (specially the GPU), so Sony would merely produce a clone that would lack Nintendo's focused first party efforts (since Sony would still need to focus on the PS4) without offering much in exchange.
Also, an "overclocked" Vita would be much weaker than the Switch. The PS Vita uses basically the same hardware as the iPad 2 with a few enhancements. That's woefully outdated and would have a hard time running Switch ports.
Oh yeah no doubt about that, I was just speaking about late 2011 - early 2012 specifically. Sony got the benefit of the doubt with the Vita because of how well the PSP was supported, they wouldn't have that with a Vita2.
AndrewDean84xX
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It won't have teh Zelda or Kart, so no go. Plus, that dude with the stash throwing hat on frogs n stuff.
Wow. I had forgotten just how much of a fanboy hack job that editorial was.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
A 'how do we save the Vita' thread...in 2017.
bobbychalkers
Member
After the official Vita reveal
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=432781
To be fair, Vita sounds amazing on paper but Sony didn't give it the resources for it to really flourish.
onemanasylum
Banned
Sony doesn;t need to do shit, PS4 is all they need.
RumbleHumble
Banned
It's possible, but part of the reason Switch is taking off as hard as it is (while vita flopped) is that Switch is transitioning into Nintendo's only console. Sony has literally ZERO reason to make the same push when it already dominates the non-mobile console sector. Anything they throw into the space would exist as an extension of Sony's strong home-console branding rather than its own initiative.
Mister Wolf
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You're over thinking it.
Mass Effect
Member
lmao "relatively easy." You people need to accept that the Vita is a failed system that nobody wanted.
Monkeyball
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staticneuron
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That is never going to happen. Why people keep asking this of Sony boggles the mind. They don't deal with media they don't have a hand in creating or controlling. CD, DVD, Blu ray, mini disc, beta max, memory duo.
If Sony ever did that, that would be the biggest change of MO that company has in like decades.
No, it is nonsense. The Vita was a console on the go, literally played hd version of games that used to be on PS2. So again it is a power discussion, if sony did hop in the foray, once again, the device would be a console level power on the go.
TheListOfToddicho
Member
I'm sorry but the Vita was dead years ago, even Sony admitted it, and it had nothing to do with the Switch.
The 3DS did sell better than the PS4, both from the same generation of consoles.
SinCityAssassin
Member
None and they are not.
finalflame
Member
Bingo. These hypothetical threads about things that would never actually happen in the real world of the games industry posited by people with no experience in the games industry are always a fun read, but so few real world factors are ever taken into account.
JigglesBunny
Banned
Having just bought a Vita again after owning a launch model and trading it in years ago, it was a great piece of tech - just didn't have the games. It's nice to play The Show, Killzone, Injustice, Mortal Kombat, and an open world Spider-Man game on the go when I'm in between meetings or something, just isn't much else besides JRPGs. A hardware revision won't do much to rectify that.
dragonflys545
Member
They don't even need a portable... just need to release ps5 within the next 2 years and bam millions will be sold.
Mikey Jr.
Member
I could see a new handheld, but it needs to be remade from scratch. The name Vita shouldn't even be fucking whispered about that device.
Also, take an ad out in the local newspaper. Title it "Working on brand new handheld for Playstation. Hiring someone with common sense and more than 2 brain cells".
I think Sony could make a great device.
-Same size as switch, little smaller
-Controls bolted onto the side, can not take off
-Cheap LCD screen or whatever
-No mobile data whatever functionality. Who cares, no one uses that.
-Full r2, l2, r3, l3 buttons
-SD cards for fuck sakes
-HDMI out, can use on tv
-Blutooth your PS4 controllers
-No back touch gimmicky shit. No gimmicky shit in general.
-Cheaper the price, the better obviously. $299 could work, $249 would be fabulous though.
Biggest problem is games. Does Sony start diverting resources to make AAA games? Or do they design the PS5 in such a way that maybe port from PS5 to ps5 portable, it is an easy process?
I essentially want a PS4, but in handheld form.
Also, take an ad out in the local newspaper. Title it "Working on brand new handheld for Playstation. Hiring someone with common sense and more than 2 brain cells".
I think Sony could make a great device.
-Same size as switch, little smaller
-Controls bolted onto the side, can not take off
-Cheap LCD screen or whatever
-No mobile data whatever functionality. Who cares, no one uses that.
-Full r2, l2, r3, l3 buttons
-SD cards for fuck sakes
-HDMI out, can use on tv
-Blutooth your PS4 controllers
-No back touch gimmicky shit. No gimmicky shit in general.
-Cheaper the price, the better obviously. $299 could work, $249 would be fabulous though.
Biggest problem is games. Does Sony start diverting resources to make AAA games? Or do they design the PS5 in such a way that maybe port from PS5 to ps5 portable, it is an easy process?
I essentially want a PS4, but in handheld form.
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