RBelong2Us
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If DC made good films overall they would be outgrossing all of Marvels outputs besides The Avengers (and maybe even that ) in the states .
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Box Office: 'Wonder Woman' Holding Better Than Any Superhero Movie in 15 Years
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MugiwaraCole
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Easy. Because they have the icons. But people have been denying that since the DCEU's inception. "Superman isn't even that popular anymore." *ignores Guardians* "No one even knows who Wonder Woman is." *ignores Strange*
Haven't they've been doing that? The four DC movies have already made a killing.
RBelong2Us
Member
Well BvS , SS, and MoS aren't even in the top 10 so no...
All 3 of those movies would be looking at a minimum of 100m more each if they were well received .
All 3 of those movies would be looking at a minimum of 100m more each if they were well received .
This reads as if GotG Vol 2 did worse than the first film, but I'm guessing that you meant a sequel to a well-liked film that had long legs is not guaranteed to do "insane numbers". Because Vol 2 did better than the first:
Guardians of the Galaxy: $333m DOM, $773m WW
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2: $385m DOM, $858m WW
I'm definitely more inclined to want to see it after how good WW was, but you just never know how things will turn out with these DC movies. Hope JL turns out well, I'll most likely be seeing it.
RBelong2Us
Member
Justice League has nothing to do with WW...if we just go by BvS for Wonder Woman I would think WW would be shiet ...and that was what a lot of people were thinking .
$50m over domestically is 'well past'? What the fuck are you talking about kid?
Guardians 2 over Guardians 1 is hardly a huge leap in box office.
Yeah I didn't mean it did worse, it just didn't do huge numbers over the first.
broncobuster
Banned
Yeah. Domestically, Man of Steel outdid the solo movies besides Iron Man.
Obviously there's potential to do even better, but they've all done really well thus far. Folks act like they've been Green Lantern level.
Hopefully this means more things for Wonder Woman down the line. They'd be insane to look at this movie's success and not be trying to greenlight more material starring the character.
The argument that they're "failing" is largely predicated on what people believe the films should have made based on the IP rather than them actually bombing. I maintain that if WB felt these movies were truly not successful, they would have just scraped the universe entirely rather than continue. They've done it before with Green Lantern, like you said.
The argument that they're "failing" is largely predicated on what people believe the films should have made based on the IP rather than them actually bombing. I maintain that if WB felt these movies were truly not successful, they would have just scraped the universe entirely rather than continue. They've done it before with Green Lantern, like you said.
Typo.
Meant without
I don't know if she'll be huge
Especially compared to Wonder Woman
UnemployedVillain
Member
I think you're making things up because I don't recall anyone claiming this
If only it were that simple.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
The Marvel logo will garantee 500 million worldwide at least. It's fine if she doesn't match up to WW, I don't think Marvel ever expects 700+ out of their debut films.
broncobuster
Banned
Leaving the theater after my first viewing, I really wished there were a Wonder Woman game. WB needs to get on that. And especially on the animated movie end where they lean way too heavy on Batman.
This type of victory is great not only for "hey, Wonder Woman works" but also "hey, DC properties outside Batman and occasionally Superman work."
Thankfully the rise in popularity and influence of Rottentomatoes in the box office might help turn the tide in it's favor.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
I'm going to try and see this tomorrow. Do you think there will still be people in the theater?
Spike Spiegel
Member
She's one of the stars of Injustice tho.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Story-wise, she's the worst character in that game. No redeeming qualities whatsoever.
We need a WW character action game.
More like "if you make a sincere inspiring film about heroism and interesting (if flawed) and diverse characters, people can look over your film's own faults and still find it to be something worth celebrating."
Opened like a blockbuster, had the legs of a female flick (e.g. Bridesmaids).
Ultron only failed to surpass Avengers globally because of weaker currency.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The question isn't whether it'll beat Spidey. It's whether Spidey will get within 75 mil of Diana.
This is one of the problems with international. Not only do studios not get a lot of that money, but the exchange rates make the value of what money they DO get pretty up and down.
Not to say the international take isn't important to a studio, because it is. But the Domestic # is more important.
This is something I never thought I would read.
That game kinda blows. I'd take an Arkham style game starring Diana any day. Or even God of War.
MisterHero
Super Member
That's cool if it can beat Spider-Man 1, but the expectations have jumped to whether it can have a GOAT-league sequel (Spider-Man 2). Other contenders include X2, The Dark Knight, the Winter Soldier,
, and that's just in superhero movies. Outside the genre you have Terminator 2, The Godfather Part II, The Empire Strikes Back, etc.
I sincerely hope they can pull it off.
and Superman II
I sincerely hope they can pull it off.
Take Bayonetta. Remove the lead character and the over the top sexuality, replace with Diana and stuff from her mythos.
WrenchNinja
Member
Man this is such a feel good story
Spider-man's potential is much higher than Wonder Woman, but Sony drove the property into the ground.
MugiwaraCole
Member
No, this is a thing that actually happened. On NeoGAF. I promise you. There were a couple of people claiming up and down that Superman just isn't that popular at the moment (relative to other heroes).
And you know what? I don't necessarily disagree, but that doesn't matter, because he's fucking Superman.
Fancyarcher
Member
And this is what happens when DC / WB make a well-regarded film. Congrats!
If WB wasn't so high on their "Batman only solo games", I think a WW game could actually be, especially if it was an adventure "fight em all up" type of game.
If WB wasn't so high on their "Batman only solo games", I think a WW game could actually be, especially if it was an adventure "fight em all up" type of game.
SolicitorPirate
Member
I really hope this finally tears down the Hollywood bullshit of 'female action heroes don't sell.'
I thought the last two Star Wars movies making enough money to buy God would have been enough, but people kept using the excuse that anything Star Wars would sell. Can't rely on that now.
I thought the last two Star Wars movies making enough money to buy God would have been enough, but people kept using the excuse that anything Star Wars would sell. Can't rely on that now.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Guardians 2's had to deal with less favorable exchange rates than the first, so the growth was bigger than you may think. I believe the first film made roughly $350m internationally with more recent rates applied, versus nearly $475m for the sequel. That's a 50% jump, which I'd say is a pretty big leap. And the international market is where Wonder Woman has the most room to grow.
Assuming rates don't get significantly worse, Wonder Woman 2 wouldn't have the same handicap Guardians 2 had, relative to its predecessor.
tearsintherain
Member
I'd hope the anemic domestic performance of a number of action movies this summer - Pirates 5, Transformers 31, King Arthur, Ghost in the Shell, The Mummy, Alien Covenant - and the success of stuff like GOTG2, Wonder Woman, Logan, Deadpool would convince the powers that be that mediocre movies no longer can coast by on star power or marketing or anything else, bad word of mouth will sink your movie within 6 hours. Ghostbusters was the counter example last year, Wonder Woman is the positive example this year.
Justice League, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman 2, etc are going to succeed or fail because they have good screenplays with a plot that makes sense and is accessible to a wide audience, not because of the director or the stars or how much marketing was put into it or the release date. Sure, those are things that can definitely help make it better but without a solid story your movie is gonna bomb.
People have already been throwing around that the public wants more World War I stuff
It's dudes for days in Hollywood. They all suck.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Yup. DC absolutely has the higher domestic ceiling than Marvel, and yet they managed to slam into the absolute floor with BvS.
The first live action meeting of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman *should* have been bigger than The Avengers in the US. Like, closer to Avatar than Avengers. The Dark Knight alone was nearly as big as Avengers four years earlier (the gap is inflated a bit by 3D ticket sales and minor inflation), and TDKR was actually bigger than Ultron. And those are just 1/3 of the holy trio. The fact that BvS limbo'd under a 4-year-old solo Batman film by $100m is incredible. Especially now that we see Wonder Woman can command a whopping $400m on her own in a *debut* film.