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[Ivory Samoan]

So you're fine with people exploiting?

Definitely not, but to reduce a large portion of the player bases fun (all PC controller users) to cut out a tiny portion of the players bases exploiting (Xim4 peeps) seems very un-Destiny like.

I haven't played at 120fps, so I don't know how much AA gets more past 60, so all I know is it feels just like the console version running at 60fps (AA wise), and KB+M feels great and 'Destiny-like' if that makes sense, which I was scared it wouldn't. Hipfire might need nerfing though, SMGs feel OP on KB+M, they are fun though I must say...feels very Halo like so maybe it can slide for the sake of fun.

I think they nailed it, it's just a pity it can be exploited by some I wish they could detect if that was what was being used though and ban accordingly, that'd be brilliant

 

[janoDX]

If they want to actually have competitiveness and tournaments wouldn't it just be better to turn AA off completely?

If they go competitive it will be like Call of Duty. Console only.

 

[Liamario]

I don't want to play with a keyboard and mouse. You can't compete in pvp on pc without auto aim on pc. So your basically saying that you play with keyboard and mouse, so fuck those who don't.

 

[E92 M3]

I don't think you understand. The aim assist gets applied to KB/M.

I don't think it's a big deal and my statement still stands. Destiny 2 isn't a hyper competitive game - not even launching with custom matches. If it makes the game feel better, I'm ok with it.

 

[rrs]

Realistically, how many kb/m users would buy a Xim or jump through a bunch of hoops for this? Enough to make a difference?

there's not enough hoops that those who want to cheat will jump through to get an edge, including paying money for hacks

Aim assist....on PC? Why?

for controller users

 

[Ikuu]

I don't want to play with a keyboard and mouse. You can't compete in pvp on pc without auto aim on pc. So your basically saying that you play with keyboard and mouse, so fuck those who don't.

Yea what's wrong with that.

 

[Glass Shark]

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[nOoblet16]

PC ofcourse shouldn't have aim assist and they should simply only allow for one input method at a time and make it so that when using a controller plugged in you can't use a mouse. XIM users will still exist but those will be so insignificant that it wouldn't matter as much as the needs of people who would rather want to play Destiny 2 on PC with a controller...because why shouldn't they be able to and have atleast the same kind of fun as the console players on the platform of their choice?

neither controller, like R6 Siege

Except Siege is a different kind of game that is not Destiny. If Destiny had no aim assist, I can guarantee you this much that all those posts over past 3 years of people talking about its fantastic gun play and moment to moment gameplay...wouldn't exist.

I get that you want as much "raw skill" as possible but don't be so adamant about this matter because at the end of the day controllers impose limitations that can only be mitigated by aim assists. And Destiny is one of the few games out there that uses this to its benefit (on consoles) to provide a rather fantastic gunplay by going all in on AA.

 

[Barrel Cannon]

LMAO. Auto aim should be removed in PVP all-together

 

[WipedOut]

Also this game isn't trying to be an esport.

I understand the consequences of AA, like people using XIM, but you guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

OMG a game has AA in it for controllers. Let's burn it down.

 

[spootime]

I don't want to play with a keyboard and mouse. You can't compete in pvp on pc without auto aim on pc. So your basically saying that you play with keyboard and mouse, so fuck those who don't.

yes exactly

 

[Bossniak]

Yet another reason not to buy destiny 2.

 

[SirMossyBloke]

THANK YOU!

I've been complaining about this since the first hour I played the beta and I felt like my complaints were being drowned out. It's way too heavy handed and frankly, for a PC game, it needs to have an option to turn it off.

I'm not terrible with a controller, I can aim very well, and I don't need the game moving it around and screwing things up.

It's not like I'm gonna be playing PvP anyway.

 

[Conkerkid11]

Yet another reason not to buy destiny 2.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

Except Siege is a different kind of game that is not Destiny. If Destiny had no aim assist, I can guarantee you this much that all those posts over past 3 years of people talking about its fantastic gun play and moment to moment gameplay...wouldn't exist.

I think we have 2 different groups in here, those that played Destiny a bunch, and those new to the franchise since it hasn't been on PC.

I'm a PC gamer mostly, but all my Destiny time was on PS4, and I back this statement 100%: the heavy aim-assist was crucial in Destiny's feel and gunplay success, without it.... it wouldn't have been the same game.

Destiny is a game about feel more so than pure accuracy IMO, fun at the forefront with mates.

You can play on consoles if you dislike KB/M. Aim assist on PC is just ridiculous.

What makes controller (in 2017) any lesser of a control method in PC gaming? lol. It's not 2006 or something, controllers are gaining so much ground in the PC space, it's crazy.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Had no idea kb/m also had aim assist. That is mind-meltingly stupid.

Don't care for PvE which is mostly what I play, but that shit should be forced off for kb/m in PvP and massively toned down on controller at the very least.

 

[BitterSidekick]

I don't want to play with a keyboard and mouse. You can't compete in pvp on pc without auto aim on pc. So your basically saying that you play with keyboard and mouse, so fuck those who don't.

You can play on PS4 if you dislike KB/M. This aim assist on PC is just ridiculous, they have to balance it out.

 

[Trace]

I don't want to play with a keyboard and mouse. You can't compete in pvp on pc without auto aim on pc. So your basically saying that you play with keyboard and mouse, so fuck those who don't.

And I want to use MKB on console but Destiny doesn't support that, so why the fuck should they support controller with obnoxious amounts of auto aim on PC? I want to play on PC with MKB on a level playing field, not half of the users getting aimhacks.

 

[dmix90]

You can play on consoles if you dislike KB/M. Aim assist on PC is just ridiculous.

No thanks.I like high framerate and no online paywall.

Thank you very much.

 

[janoDX]

You can play on PS4 if you dislike KB/M. Aim assist on PC is just ridiculous.

What if that person doesn't have a PS4 but has a PC and a 360 controller?

 

[BitterSidekick]

What if that person doesn't have a PS4 but has a PC and a 360 controller?

Person then has to be aware that you cant be THAT competetive on PC with a controller. The amount of aim assist is just high to the point where it feels like an aimbot.

 

[nOoblet16]

You can play on PS4 if you dislike KB/M. This aim assist on PC is just ridiculous, they have to balance it out.

Sure just because he doesn't like playing with an input method of your preference, on a platform that champions openness and user customization to boot, he should ditch the platform of his preference and play on a different platform that he might not potentially own.


Wat?

 

[Jolkien]

I suck with both input method. I think AA is fine, some people can't play KB/M due to disability and what not. I think some people make it out a bigger problem than it actually is. Hopefully Bungie hold their ground and let it in for people rpefering controller to kb/m

 

[BitterSidekick]

Sure just because he doesn't like playing with an input method of your preference, he should ditch the platform of his preference and buy a new platform that he might not potentially own.


Wat?

I said he could play. Trying to be competitive on PC with a controller is just too damn hard.

 

[Flying Toaster]

I only see this being a huge issue if Destiny ever goes competitive. I don't think the extreme of AA removal for controller players is the way to go.

 

[Strakt]

No thanks.I like high framerate and no online paywall.

Thank you very much.

Well with all the complaints being posted everywhere.. theyre probably going to do something that you won't like.

Only solutions I see:

Lower aim assist and make recoil similar to mouse/kb
Removing Aim Assist completely

You DO NOT even need a XIM right now to have AA. You can do it using a mouse/keyboard with the use of different programs.

 

[arts&crafts]

Had no idea kb/m also had aim assist. That is mind-meltingly stupid.

Don't care for PvE which is mostly what I play, but that shit should be forced off for kb/m in PvP and massively toned down on controller at the very least.

It doesnt. OP is saying it is possible for people to download applications that will spoof the game into thinking a controller is being used so aim assist will be active while using keyboard and mouse.

I only played for an hour with KB/M but shooting is already much easier than most games as there is no recoil. I havent tried with controller so I dont know which is "better" right now.

 

[rodrigolfp]

PC ofcourse shouldn't have aim assist and they should simply only allow for one input method at a time and make it so that when using a controller plugged in you can't use a mouse. XIM users will still exist but those will be so insignificant that it wouldn't matter as much as the needs of people who would rather want to play Destiny 2 on PC with a controller...because why shouldn't they be able to and have atleast the same kind of fun as the console players on the platform of their choice?


Except Siege is a different kind of game that is not Destiny. If Destiny had no aim assist, I can guarantee you this much that all those posts over past 3 years of people talking about its fantastic gun play and moment to moment gameplay...wouldn't exist.

I get that you want as much "raw skill" as possible but don't be so adamant about this matter because at the end of the day controllers impose limitations that can only be mitigated by aim assists. And Destiny is one of the few games out there that uses this to its benefit (on consoles) to provide a rather fantastic gunplay by going all in on AA.

are you telling me that people finds Destiny 1 gunplay fantastic because the stick aiming is "faulty" and receive help to aim to be like this? next you will tell me playing GT or Forza is fantastic with stearing assist, but not so much withou it...

if the controller impose limitations to you. change the controller, not rely in "semi cheats"

 

[Navy Bean]

Person then has to be aware that you cant be THAT competetive on PC with a controller. The amount of aim assist is just high to the point where it feels like an aimbot.

It's not even close to an aimbot with controller... not to mention controller people already have it worse than anyone! Worse than kb/m and worse than kb/m with aim assist.

 

[TharpDaddy]

Couldn't they just do something like if someone using a "controller" (emulated or real) turns or moves their reticule faster than a controller is capable of, it turns off aim assist? So people that use aim assist with m/kb would have a really shitty experience and be forced to aim at controller speed, to the point it's not worth doing. I can't imagine that at the highest controller sensitivity that it's the speed of a mouse user.

 

[BRocknRolla]

I want to play with a controller. The game is far more enjoyable with a controller when there is aim assist.

DO NOT remove it from the game or diminish its use because of some senseless PvP balancing concerns. If you want to remove it from PvP, fine. (I have no intention of playing that anyway.) Just don't hurt the whole game because of players who whine about who does and does not have the upper hand in one small piece of the game.

 

[Complicated]

Good to hear that Destiny on PC is just as exploitable and messy as everyone assumed it would be though.

 

[Swarna]

Top-level KBM>controller with AA generally.

But the amount of AA does matter. If aimbots are aim assist dialed to 100%, and you dial it down to 90%, it doesn't automatically become "fine".

Ultimately it comes down to the target audience of Destiny 2 PC. The average KBM user on PC (the vast majority of buyers) cannot aim like this:

One clip of the snap in action. First shot aiming at feet and snaps to head

consistently for free.

Do you want to marginalize and piss off the majority for the benefit of a small minority (controller users on the PC platform)? That's really all it comes down to. I don't think anyone cares about AA in PVE, though.

 

[Strakt]

Good to hear that Destiny on PC is just as exploitable and messy as everyone assumed it would be though.

Its not though; its just one aspect of the game that will be fixed seeing as the game has 2 months still to release. Its actually the best experience for Destiny 2 . Thanks for your useless post though!

 

[SirMossyBloke]

It's not even close to an aimbot with controller... not to mention controller people already have it worse than anyone! Worse than kb/m and worse than kb/m with aim assist.

Yes it is. When my cursor moves from one enemy to another ON ITS OWN then it's way too heavy handed.

We need an OPTION to turn it off.

 

[Liamario]

You can play on PS4 if you dislike KB/M. This aim assist on PC is just ridiculous, they have to balance it out.

Not disagreeing with adjusting it. OP wants to remove it completely because it affects his enjoyment and nobody else matters. It's not a great starting point for a solution.

 

[Trace]

I want to play with a controller. The game is far more enjoyable with a controller when there is aim assist.

DO NOT remove it from the game or diminish its use because of some senseless PvP balancing concerns. If you want to remove it from PvP, fine. (I have no intention of playing that anyway.) Just don't hurt the whole game because of players who whine about who does and does not have the upper hand in one small piece of the game.

I dont think anyone here is asking for it to be removed from PvE. Just for PvP to be a level playing field. Atm the average controller player has an advantage over an average KBM player, which shouldn't happen.

 

[nOoblet16]

are you telling me that people finds Destiny 1 gunplay fantastic because the stick aiming is "faulty" and receive help to aim to be like this? next you will tell me playing GT or Forza is fantastic with stearing assist, but not do much withou it...

Man you can disagree all you want, provide me with false equivalence examples and tell me it's a cheat. But I'm talking fact when I say that Destiny simply would not have that "fantastic gunplay" people talk about without aim assist. I've got 1300+ hours of Destiny and that's enough time to determine why exactly the gunplay feels so good. It's because you rarely every have to think about perfectly aligning a shot while playing Destiny and you can just shoot with the "feel of it". That is an incredibly rare thing to have on a console shooter and is why Destiny's gunplay has been lauded so much over the past 3 years, it just would not have been possible without the heavy aim assist.


Why should someone who likes to play on PC because of high framerate and resolution but also prefers to use a controller be forced to change their method of input for that "Destiny experience"?

This problem with KB/m player abusing the aim assist is a KB/m player problem and the players who prefer to use a controller do not have to suffer by having it completely removed when it can be fixed otherwise.

 

[Strakt]

Not disagreeing with adjusting it. OP wants to remove it completely because it affects his enjoyment and nobody else matters. It's not a great starting point for a solution.

Oh really? Did you miss the posts where I said a solution is to lower the aim assist and equalize the recoil so its similar to kb/m... that way controller users can still play? You should try reading before you call someone out.

 

[Tenck]

Realistically, how many kb/m users would buy a Xim or jump through a bunch of hoops for this? Enough to make a difference?

Bunch of hoops? It's literally 3 programs that can be set up in less than 10 minutes.

 

[rakkadakka]

It's fine, good KB/M still have the ultimate advantage.

I've tried using controller and haven't walked away with the impression that it made me god tier.

It could probably use some tweaking but I sincerely hope they don't go the route of OW and remove it completely.

Although I feel for the idea of people using XIM etc to gain an advantage. Doesn't seem like it will be game breaking unless people go nuts put up giant posts advertising how broken..oh wait.

 

[CountAntonius]

The exploit that let's people use it with m/kb needs to be fixed. On controllers I dunno maybe adjust it a little but I don't want it done away with because of people who use controllers.

 

[Jarate]

I dont think anyone here is asking for it to be removed from PvE. Just for PvP to be a level playing field. Atm the average controller player has an advantage over an average KBM player, which shouldn't happen.

I disagree wholeheartedly

You will basically always have better aim with M/KB then you are with a controller with AA. YOu will also be able to be more productive and react to things much faster with a M/KB then with a controller.

You are still at a massive disadvantage with AA with a controller

 

[Navy Bean]

Yes it is. When my cursor moves from one enemy to another ON ITS OWN then it's way too heavy handed.

We need an OPTION to turn it off.

An option to turn it off would be fine. And no question the initial aim assist is high. But there is substantial recoil with a controller and it takes numerous shots to kill a target. Good kb/m players will have an advantage in almost all situations.

 

[WipedOut]

Its not though; its just one aspect of the game that will be fixed seeing as the game has 2 months still to release. Its actually the best experience for Destiny 2 . Thanks for your useless post though!

God you are such an angry little man. Dial it back a bit breh. It's just a fucking game.

 

[BRocknRolla]

I dont think anyone here is asking for it to be removed from PvE. Just for PvP to be a level playing field. Atm the average controller player has an advantage over an average KBM player, which shouldn't happen.

And that's fine with me. I just don't want it removed from the game because some jerk could exploit it. (Like we saw in Overwatch, though I understand that's all PvP.)

However, I struggle with the idea that something MUST be done. We've had tons of games in which controllers are viewed as a lower, less capable input methods, and this is all but championed by keyboard and mouse players as the way things should be. But should the tables ever be turned... Riot time. Seems strange.

 

[TharpDaddy]

Oh really? Did you miss the posts where I said a solution is to lower the aim assist and equalize the recoil so its similar to kb/m... that way controller users can still play? You should try reading before you call someone out.

I think a easier solution would just be to detect how fast someone is aiming. If they're aiming faster than a controller can, disable aim assist. If someone needs it so bad they force themselves to aim slowly to get to keep the AA, they'll be equivalent to a person using a controller with their speed of aiming.

 

[Warnen]

lol, how is this a lot? They literally just have to do what Overwatch did and remove AA for controllers.

Meanwhile, PS4 version still has the innate problem with people being capable of using mouse and keyboard that emulate controller and neither Bungie or Sony can do anything about it.

Stop trying to start platform wars.

As a person actively debating weather to drop $2600 on a gaming laptop I have every right to debate the pros and cons of each release. Not being able to play with a controller is going to be a huge problem for me. If they remove AA it won't be destiny any more. The AA and recoil is what made destiny destiny. I have well over 500 hrs logged in destiny, game play was the best thing about that game.

My point stands going to take a lot to balance these 2 input styles, and considering they never stop tinkering around with weapons in Destiny 1, it's a bit scary.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

The exploit that let's people use it with m/kb needs to be fixed. On controllers I dunno maybe adjust it a little but I don't want it done away with because of people who use controllers.

This. Surely there's a way to fix the KB/M exploit without dropping AA on controllers altogether.

 

[Strakt]

God you are such an angry little man. Dial it back a bit breh. It's just a fucking game.

Because its clearly a shit post which contributes nothing to the topic. His post was useless, nothing more to it.