Different language. The word doesn't have the same load to it, and we're from poor background. To call my mom racist because of that, is again, incredibly classist.
Also half of Europe was not involved with colonialism. If it was, then yes.
I'm an American. Afaik we have never large scale oppressed Jews. If I use the word "kikes" it's still a slur. It doesn't matter that my country wasn't involved in the oppression. The word means a slur, that's the definition of the word. Even if you're in a European country that didn't colonize Africa, using the n-word is racist.
GAF is made up of mostly Americans. If the last election didn't put everyone on notice that a huge portion of this country is made up of racists then I am totally bewildered. Doesn't surprise me at all there's lot of them here on GAF.
NeoGAF is 42% USA (source: me). NeoGAF was also one of the biggest progressive strongholds on the internet for the 2016 US election (source: Vice News).
Pop culture. Sure. Kids grow up listening to American rap without understanding shit, they only really interiorize that you need to drop "nigger" and "fuck" every two words to be cool. They believe it's just slang. If they saw a black American they'd try to approach him using "nigger" thinking they're just being friendly. People use "nigger" trying to immitate what they listen to in music and watch on TV.
We don't study American history at school more than we do Chinese or Russian. Heck, most people struggle trying to remember anything at all about our own. And no swear word will ever have the same impact when it doesn't belong to your own language. More than that, most people will struggle to understand just how loaded just one word can be.
To put it another way, your average European racist isn't as knowledgeable as to go straight to "nigger" when trying to think of a racist slur in English.
These are just the facts, and I know they may be shocking, but don't shoot the messenger. It's just how it is. Not defending anything.
Of course it's 30 pages here on whether he's actually racist or not
Guy's a shitbag and been a shitbag. He should be age gated. A significant amount of gamers/YTers continue to be twats defending this and similar bullshit from others too
People like this idiot will only stop when it has a negative effect for themselves personally. Whether it's tricking minors into gambling or saying racist shit with millions of kids' eyes on em, the most effective way to curb this shit is ostracization or hitting them in the bank account.
The reason VGs aren't taken seriously as an "art form" and it's still seen as dominated by the immature is because of things like this not having repercussions. This is secondary to the fact that a bunch of the loudest voices are fucking morons who are a net negative on the world.
i dont think so tbh. I believe him when he says he doesnt care about the growth of channel anymore. His channel growth has plateaued. I think he's in 'fuck it, ill just say what i really think' mode. It's really worrying.
Er, what? He released a video talking about how celebrities use tragedies for their own agenda. He says that the hurricanes would happen regardless of who was in office for this term.
I still believe there are more open minded people than not. It's just that when you have a nice, freshly mowed, well kept lawn, the neighbors dog taking a huge shit on it will be noticed.
Apparently he gets unlimited chances because people won't take a hard stand against him and his revenue platform.
At least some sponsors will cut loose... but more will just replace the ones that leave because they like reaching a large viewer audience.
GG becoming a thing born from slut-shaming and attracting all the worst sides of "gaming culture" is the least surprising thing i can think of, in retrospect
.... What the fuck, can i get some evidence of this?
This isn't some " I don't believe you , I love felix" shit, I just want some time stamps so next time I call this dude out I can have evidence of his fuckery
Um they don't teach American history in European schools and also PewDiePie, the most famous person on an American streaming website, doesn't have access to the internet so there's no way he could know any better.
I'm not sure why he said "average racist" but average European person definitely doesn't understand how loaded that word is, especially if you're from poorer backgrounds and English isn't your native language. My mom says n-word when referring to black people and it's not intended as malicious.
guys please, he's just using a sentence enhancer. you use them when you want to talk fancy. just sprinkle it over anything you say, and wham, you've got yourself a spicy sentence sandwich
Of course it's 30 pages here on whether he's actually racist or not
Guy's a shitbag and been a shitbag. He should be age gated. A significant amount of gamers/YTers continue to be twats defending this and similar bullshit from others too
People like this idiot will only stop when it has a negative effect for themselves personally. Whether it's tricking minors into gambling or saying racist shit with millions of kids' eyes on em, the most effective way to curb this shit is ostracization or hitting them in the bank account.
The reason VGs aren't taken seriously as an "art form" and it's still seen as dominated by the immature is because of things like this not having repercussions. This is secondary to the fact that a bunch of the loudest voices are fucking morons who are a net negative on the world.
He's a complete idiot and he knows he fucked up as soon as he said it. He has a slight moment of panic bit then goes right back into it. Dude needed to drop everything he was doing apologize on the spot and probably end that stream right then and there and at least act like he was going to go reflect.
I'm not sure why he said "average racist" but average European person definitely doesn't understand how loaded that word is, especially if you're from poorer backgrounds and English isn't your native language. My mom says n-word when referring to black people and it's not intended as malicious.
Pop culture. Sure. Kids grow up listening to American rap without understanding shit, they only really interiorize that you need to drop "nigger" and "fuck" every two words to be cool. They believe it's just slang. If they saw a black American they'd try to approach him using "nigger" thinking they're just being friendly. People use "nigger" trying to immitate what they listen to in music and watch on TV.
We don't study American history at school more than we do Chinese or Russian. Heck, most people struggle trying to remember anything at all about our own. And no swear word will ever have the same impact when it doesn't belong to your own language. More than that, most people will struggle to understand just how loaded just one word can be.
To put it another way, your average European racist isn't as knowledgeable as to go straight to "nigger" when trying to think of a racist slur in English.
These are just the facts, and I know they may be shocking, but don't shoot the messenger. It's just how it is. Not defending anything.
this is an impressively dumb post - for one, you've not listened to much hip hop, but that's common here
for two: blaming black culture for that word in particular shows an acutely ignorant/privileged understanding of american history, but given that you think we don't teach kids american history (often more than world history) it's pretty clear your agenda here trumps any actual background in american schools
your "just the facts" approach is every bit as transparent as your defense of blackface in that kanye receipt brought up here. go read a book or invest in tiki torches, you're not fooling anyone.
he didn't just use the n-word, he's a domestic abuser with a strong anti-semetic streak too - not as directly analogous
well okay, that last bit is relevant here, sure
Fuck this thread and fuck gamers, I'll never call myself a gamer because I ain't gonna be associated with these fuckers and the 'moderate' cunts defending them.
Pewdiepie would still get people defending him if he made a video next week looking dead at the camera saying "I fucking hate all n******, K*kes, ch*nks, f*gs and sp*cs. They pollute our genepool and steal our jobs, fight back and kill them, we need to secure the white nation."
Also can't wait to see Boogie et al hand wave this.
Pdp grew up on internet culture, xbl, interent bully culture, and youtube cesspool comments. Of course he knows how bad the word is, and he's said it a lot.
Yeah, I don't understand why it would be so hard for people to stop saying a bad word lol.
I used to say the word jipped instead of ripped off because that's what I got from the media. But as soon as I learnt its origin and how its hurtful to the Roma people, I stopped using it and haven't since.
NeoGAF is 42% USA (source: me). NeoGAF was also one of the biggest progressive strongholds on the internet for the 2016 US election (source: Vice News).
It is obviously very undesireable for someone as influential as PewDiePie to signal it's okay to use the word willy-nilly. But all the comments instantly condemning PewDiePie as clearly racist have it wrong. I've only seen proof he's insensitive and kind of a dick so far. Which is kind of his jazz.
To see where I'm coming from: in my native language, Dutch, the equivalent word "neger" lacks the same connotation as "nigger" does in English. Sure the Dutch kept slaves way back in the day so there's a similar history there, but it just so happens that the word (not the principle of racism or slavery) was normalised over the years and became a pretty inoffensive way to refer to someone with black skin. It's only recently that people have become more sensitive to the word again as we start to realise it's a very bad word in English, which is a language we all speak to some extent nowadays. But Dutch people, when speaking English, will still say "nigger" sometimes and have no idea how it comes across.
PewDiePie, being Swedish, probably doesn't fully realise what it means to use that word. "He really should know better at this point", I hear you think, and you'd be right. But I can understand that using the word doesn't feel as significant as it would to any native speaker. He knows it's not really a good thing (which is why he doesn't use it all the time), but doesn't realise how offensive saying the word even once is to native speakers. It's ignorance.
It's possible he's also racist, I just wouldn't extrapolate that from the use of "nigger" by a non-native speaker. If he used it ten times in a row, then it least it would look like a statement of some sort, a very deliberate choice at the very least. But now he just seems like a kid who doesn't know what's what. As he usually does.
Some of you will likely take issue with my typing out of the "n-word" uncensored, which kind of proves my point: I don't really know where the line is as a non-native speaker. I just feel it's silly to censor it when it's obviously not meant as an insult.
I honestly hope he doesn't. If you're going to be racist, then fucking own that you're a racist instead of trying to backpedal / apologize about it not being "the real you."
guys please, he's just using a sentence enhancer. you use them when you want to talk fancy. just sprinkle it over anything you say, and wham, you've got yourself a spicy sentence sandwich
Heh that aint even false, though. You should hear the lingo between me and the boys (we're as mixed as it gets), but one thing is mutual, well spirited derision, another one is what this itinerant sack of shit has done
For a second there he dude clearly forgot he was on the internet, and then a clearly comfortable slur comes out. God that was too comfortable. How often is he calling random people nigger?
Too bad now he's just gonna get an influx of support from all the people pining for people to accept white supremacy.
