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Y'all were not around when I was playing DotA from 2003-2011 when racial slurs were pronouns for teammates and opponents, huh?
What are you trying to tell us?Y'all were not around when I was playing DotA from 2003-2011 when racial slurs were pronouns for teammates and opponents, huh?
I'll let you in on a little secret...
There's a lot of racists out there in the world. You probably know, work, or interact with some and don't realize it.
They didn't infiltrate anything, they've been there all along.
The current social and political climates just gave them an open door to share their racism with the world without much perceived consequence.
Let's not forget people like Palmer who literally funded meme-driven hate campaigns in the gaming space."You know GamerGate, we really are the white supremacy."
By recent actions like Bungee and Destiny 2 I'm not surprised anymore, just ashamed.
But I also don't see this perceived threat that the op is about. To me it seems that some people are actively trying to find these elements everywhere.
Yes, there are politically charged and racist videogames, but those are so niche that you would have to actively search for them in order to play them.
I have yet to see that there is any actual organization that actively propagate these evil ideas in the community, or if there is, it's small and insignificant.
And I do draw a distinction between an actual neonazi and some stupid kid yelling slurs in voice chat. The other implies hardlining political and ideological views while the other is just an idiot. Racist idiot perhaps, but just an idiot and is no threat to anyone..
This reads like a major downplay effort :SI just don't see any cause for this alarmist attitude.
This reads like a major downplay effort :S
Good Post, OP
If you haven't had a chance to yet; give Adam Curtis' documentary Hypernormalisation a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fny99f8amM
It does a lot to find the roots of how we ended up with online radicalisation and a President Trump.
This is an interesting topic. Although it might help ease your concerns to know that my latest round of job interviews involved diversity officers and people talking about politics and general attitudes regarding equality.
It was pretty refreshing really, and I think if more places would act in this way perhaps we can filter out the racism and sexism before they cause a problem.
No, they just didn't know how loud they could be without censure.Kinda. It was looking like they were on deaths doorstep in the late 80s and 90s, they couldn't find a receptive audience.
They didn't infiltrate anything, they've been there all along.
The current social and political climates just gave them an open door to share their racism with the world without much perceived consequence.
Nice post and some very intriguing thoughts, OP.
The case of 4chan is especially interesting since with Anonymous they forged their identity originally around far left principles such as hacktivism in the name of promoting freedom of information and power to the people instead of corporations as we moved further into the digital age. They promoted clarity of information and objective truth being shown to all and yet now seemingly wish to silence and spin such avenues towards particular interests and support Donald Trump, the sort of narrow minded corporate entity who once represented everything they stood against.
Downplay implies intent, so no, I'm not trying to downplay anything because I do not think there is anything to actually downplay. I would never downplay deliberately racist or vile intent. You could try and make the case that I'm oblivious to what's truly going on, but you should present it with sufficient evidence.
You basically just denied the existence of gamergate.Downplay implies intent, so no, I'm not trying to downplay anything because I do not think there is anything to actually downplay. I would never downplay deliberately racist or vile intent. You could try and make the case that I'm oblivious to what's truly going on, but you should present it with sufficient evidence.
This reads like a major downplay effort :S
Nice post and some very intriguing thoughts, OP.
The case of 4chan is especially interesting since with Anonymous they forged their identity originally around far left principles such as hacktivism in the name of promoting freedom of information and power to the people instead of corporations as we moved further into the digital age. They promoted clarity of information and objective truth being shown to all and yet now seemingly wish to silence and spin super ch avenues towards particular interests and support Donald Trump, the sort of narrow minded corporate entity who once represented everything they stood against.
What are you trying to tell us?
And the solution to combatting this white supremacy is not going to come from the industry unless it means more profits - they only do whatever does not hurt their bottomline - as you can see from their inaction and unwillingness to take a stand against Gamergate and the rest of the bigots trying to dominate and oppress women and others.
He is giving his viewpoint on the matter. A very interesting and empathic viewpoint I must say.
I mean...here you go.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135783202&postcount=5
You either don't care or you haven't been paying attention.
You basically just denied the existence of gamergate.
He is giving his viewpoint on the matter. A very interesting and empathic viewpoint I must say.
I'm not denying gamergate. This thread was about white supremacy and to my knowledge gamergate had nothing to do with that. And furthermore, is it an organized thing? Other than a shitty hashtag? Once again, not to my knowledge. So my original point still stands.
I'm not going to deny that there are some genuinely bad people in the gaming community, racists, homophobes, bigoted etc. men and women. But I also don't see this perceived threat that the op is about. To me it seems that some people are actively trying to find these elements everywhere, simply because they are so sure that it exists and in turn see it everywhere.
I agree with op. The appearance has been that the movement has been more unified, organized, funded, persistent, and advancing in recent years. "It's always been this way" is actively dismissive in a way that is starting to make me wonder why you care if I've noticed this.
To me it seems that some people are actively trying to find these elements everywhere, simply because they are so sure that it exists and in turn see it everywhere.
Juniors that only post in this kind of threads. 🤔
Threads that call out bigotry in gaming community.What do you mean by "this kind of thread"?
Juniors that only post in this kind of threads. 🤔
This is what you said:
That statement logically includes gamergate. You were not simply talking about white supremacy.
But I also don't see this perceived threat that the op is about.
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I have yet to see that there is any actual organization that actively propagate these evil ideas in the community, or if there is, it's small and insignificant.
I'm not denying gamergate. This thread was about white supremacy and to my knowledge gamergate had nothing to do with that. And furthermore, is it an organized thing? Other than a shitty hashtag? Once again, not to my knowledge. So my original point still stands.
Threads that call out bigotry in gaming community.
at's cool, in the 00 the right was cool so they were left, nowadays the left is cool so they are right.
What the fuck are you talking about. I'm talking about people that only come here to claim that gaming isn't affected by racism. Get your shit together.So minorities who minimally post, possibly because they feel unwelcome in gaming communities, tend to post in threads about minorities feeling unwelcome in gaming communities, while you make them feel unwelcome?
Yes I did, but I also said.:
Yes gamergate happened, but I refuse to acknowledge it as a movement that actively seeks converts for an ideology. Sure some bad people hid behind a hashtag and thought they were allowed to be assholes (some definitely crossing the border to downright evil), but I still think it was a question of individuals rather than some nefarious group hellbent to taking over the gaming commmunity.
My point being, I do not think we are under attack as a community. Maybe I just have faith in people, unfounded or not.