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Betting time: Do you think the Switch will be a success?
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Agreed. I could never get into my 3DS much because of the low quality screen and graphics. I feel like the Switch fixed that with a decent balance between portability and graphics. I also found I really like the combination of being able to play it on my TV, or play it handheld while watching TV that doesn’t require tons of attention (sports, news).
CloudStrife_ca
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I'm thinking the Switch will be Nintendo's most successful console to date, eclipsing the success they had on the Wii. I think in these next few months they're buying themselves some time by re-releasing a handful of ports from the Wii U to develop the next great set of first party games for the Switch so it might seem kind of slow, but it gives them time to develop the games people pay the price of admission for and builds up steam on the console for third party companies to jump on board to do ports of classics we love or new ip's. The key being delivering on those first party games like Nintendo has with Zelda: BotW, Mario Odyssey and Splatoon 2. I have yet to find a game I haven't had fun playing on my Switch, especially when friends come over, non-gamers saying - "this is fun, I need to get one of these."
Already Nintendo has done a great job in working on building their 3rd party relationships with companies like Capcom and Bethesda and mending old relationships with Square-Enix which opens the door to stuff like in their prime when they basically had all the third party support. They have marketed the Switch a million times better than they did the Wii U and while there might not be seniors in Wii bowling tournaments this time around, Nintendo has done their homework, people want a mix of on the go (moblie games) with quality (for console gamers like myself) and imo and they've delivered. Mix and match all of those points above with the nostalgia only Nintendo can deliver and I think its going to work out pretty well for them. They're firing on all cylinders with the Nintendo Switch.
I will definitely say this won't be their last console either, if you could make millions as a company by doing multiple generations of consoles and games, would you stop? probably not.
Already Nintendo has done a great job in working on building their 3rd party relationships with companies like Capcom and Bethesda and mending old relationships with Square-Enix which opens the door to stuff like in their prime when they basically had all the third party support. They have marketed the Switch a million times better than they did the Wii U and while there might not be seniors in Wii bowling tournaments this time around, Nintendo has done their homework, people want a mix of on the go (moblie games) with quality (for console gamers like myself) and imo and they've delivered. Mix and match all of those points above with the nostalgia only Nintendo can deliver and I think its going to work out pretty well for them. They're firing on all cylinders with the Nintendo Switch.
I will definitely say this won't be their last console either, if you could make millions as a company by doing multiple generations of consoles and games, would you stop? probably not.
Many of these early replies shows that as a whole, people that tend to be more "hardcore" really can't judge the gaming industry trends well. The average gamer could care less about 4k, HDR, etc. Give them a compelling piece of hardware with good software and specs nor price mean much. I remember a similar thing happening with PS3 when it was first announced. People balked at the price but it sold and sold well, even outpacing the Xbox 360 which had a full years head start. Then of course Wii came and flipped all that upside down again, overtaking both consoles by a significant size in an even shorter span of time.
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RuleNumber6
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Trust passed Wii U's lifetime sales
Sosokrates
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The switch appeals to familys largely because its a handheld and a tv console. When I first saw the switch I could see in my head how popular this would be to parents and kids, which is why I thought it would do very well.
theSoftBullet
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Ha pretty much.
lensoftruth
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Dat first page lol
Makoto Niijima
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This thread is an embarrassing reminder that GAF is almost never right on this kind of thing,
Phoenix RISING
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Many of these early replies shows that as a whole, people that tend to be more "hardcore" really can't judge the gaming industry trends well. The average gamer could care less about 4k, HDR, etc. Give them a compelling piece of hardware with good software and specs nor price mean much. I remember a similar thing happening with PS3 when it was first announced. People balked at the price but it sold and sold well, even outpacing the Xbox 360 which had a full years head start. Then of course Wii came and flipped all that upside down again, overtaking both consoles by a significant size in an even shorter span of time.
Rule of thumb, don't trust Gaf.
There's a little revisionist history in here. When the PS3 was $700, it did not sell well outside of the "first wave" with scalping and such. The combination of a $300 price point in addition to software besides Killzone and Haze eventually resulted in the present success of the PS3. In actuality, the Xbox 360 was more popular for the longest time. Unlike Sony, they failed to carry that momentum into the next gen.
Omegatron
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GAF was always pro Sony and anti everything else(mostly Microsoft), so this thread doesn't surprise me.
First it was "PSP will easily beat the DS" and then it was "The Vita will crush the 3DS", which was just sad to see I'll tell you what.
"Never underestimate Nintendo" is a phrase that has been used in the video game industry for decades by both developers and consumers alike and smash hits like the DS, Wii and Switch is exactly why that phrase was created and continues to exist.
I'm glad this thread is still around, because it gave me some good laughs.
First it was "PSP will easily beat the DS" and then it was "The Vita will crush the 3DS", which was just sad to see I'll tell you what.
"Never underestimate Nintendo" is a phrase that has been used in the video game industry for decades by both developers and consumers alike and smash hits like the DS, Wii and Switch is exactly why that phrase was created and continues to exist.
I'm glad this thread is still around, because it gave me some good laughs.
Phoenix RISING
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Double post fail.
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Militant17
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Revisionist history from him or you? I guess it depends on what your definition of "sell well" and "more popular" is? In reality the PS3 sold 5.56 million in it's first year and the Xbox 360 sold 5.65 million in it's first year and after that the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 in worldwide sales every year until 2012 which meant it caught up to the Xbox 360 in total sales and even overtook it in 2013 despite the Xbox being on the market a year longer. So if you believe what you wrote about the PS3's sales it would mean the 360 didn't sell well either and seeing as the 360 was outsold every year they were on the market together except for 2007 and 2012 i would say the PS3 was the more popular console for the longest time. But it all comes down to perception i guess.
Not to mention the PS3 was never $700USD, it was actually $499 or $599.
grumpyGamer
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I believe that Microsoft fucked up at the end, Sony kept releasing steady games on the ps3 even at the end of life, but the xbox started lacking a lot of content in the end, Microsoft let the console die and focused on the new xbox 1.
they could have had a better start, not talking about the DRM shit
Poop!
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It was European and Japanese sales combined that pushed the PS3 ahead worldwide at the end. Looking at individual countries, the PS3 never beat the 360 in the US. So your experience last gen was different depending on what country you lived in.
grumpyGamer
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Yeah, you are right in this case i was talking about Europe and japan, i don't have any experience with US, but i do believe the US players should have abandoned MS, they really insulted the fans in my opinion, and i believe they still are with the way they are handling the xbox brand
Poop!
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Yeah, here in the USA last gen the default system was the 360. If you wanted to play with local people you met, borrow games, or have the best selection of rental games it was the 360. Some markets like different systems for different reasons, after all... wasn't the Sega Master System huge in Europe? I wish I could predict or understand why.
grumpyGamer
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it was huge yes, Like in europe it is opposite of US. Sony has almost all market, what surprises me is that MS really neglected the fans both with games and business model this gen and people still stick with it in the US i mean
I might be buying one today with a work bonus I just got. Pays for the console, so I just need to know what games are worth paying full price for at this moment.
I wish that the PSPgo wasn't so far ahead of its time... that people appreciated this feature when it existed that long ago... that Sony would have felt it a necessary feature for the Vita... and the Vita would have been the first proper hybrid. At least they tried the PSTV thing, but imagine if the Vita simply had an HDMI port out of the box...
...that would have been ahead of its time too, and nobody would have cared.
I wish that the PSPgo wasn't so far ahead of its time... that people appreciated this feature when it existed that long ago... that Sony would have felt it a necessary feature for the Vita... and the Vita would have been the first proper hybrid. At least they tried the PSTV thing, but imagine if the Vita simply had an HDMI port out of the box...
...that would have been ahead of its time too, and nobody would have cared.
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Pejo
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Xenoblade and Odyssey, Zelda and Mario Kart if you didn't already play them or if you liked them on Wii U. If you're in to Musou, I hear Fire Emblem Warriors is fun, though I haven't played it yet.
Anyways, I think I'm still kinda close with my bet. I expected it to do well, but not have the market penetration of the Wii. I didn't expect it to do quite as well as it's doing, but I am happy to be wrong. It's a fun little system.
Phoenix RISING
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US here.
This is where I'm leaning. We have Zelda and Kart on the WiiU, and won't be parting with the WiiU any time due to Zelda. We are about to finish it and I want the DLC.
I'm finally back into Xenoblade Chronicles X and FINALLY unlocked my first Skell... so I'll try my best to finish that before getting XC2.
crabhammer
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ah my phone lagged while I was scrolling and i accidentally hit the post button. pls disregard
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Dubloon7
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vita died b/c of the proprietary memory cards. if the vita, or vita2, or the potentially newer hybrid system to come out for ps5 to compete with switch will have standard memory cards, hdmi, etc. then it's a sure-fire winner in my books. i have my vita but never turn it on anymore b/c i just remote play from my pc.
FallingSputnik
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Who would have thought that such a tiny irrelevant part of the entire gaming industry would be so wrong?
The switch being a hybrid handheld/home console is amazing. One thing I don't get about the design though. Why didn't they make the dock in a way so that you can play with all the bells and whistles at home on the handheld scree n docked? Kind of just make it a chunkier handheld at home.
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Well If you like me who plays long JRPGs its blessing. One of my biggest reason I was addicted to Xenoblade Chronicles 2 more than I was with Persona 5.
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DonF
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I like every time this thread gets bumped. No worries! It's funny to read all the comments. I was one of the non believers, I got a switch in june last year, after the success of zelda, splatoon and seeing that Mario was looking really good. It a testament that software really makes the console.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I think they wanted to keep things simple this time.
Shpeshal Nick
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Man looking back at those first few pages is something. Wish I could find whatever I posted in here.
Given I posted on this very forum 3 years ago saying Nintendo’s only way forward for success was NX being a hybrid, I’m inclined to believe I must have predicted Switch would be successful.
Given I posted on this very forum 3 years ago saying Nintendo’s only way forward for success was NX being a hybrid, I’m inclined to believe I must have predicted Switch would be successful.
Dee Dah Dave
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I always thought it would do well, but not as high as some of the crazy predictions of 100 million plus or whatever. Too much competition from smart devices these days. Plus PS5 and NextBox will both be on the cards in a couple of years and Nintendo will be way behind again.
So you think Nintendo won't release a hardware upgrade/revision to remain competitive or something? It's like you people don't even pay attention to what Nintendo does.
Dee Dah Dave
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Pay attention to what Nintendo does. You mean release a new weird console every 5 or so years which has nothing in relation to the previous one?
Obviously they will come with new hardware at some point, which is actually what I am saying. No way does the current Switch hit huge numbers because Nintendo will have to replace it way before that is even possible IMO.
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Zannegan
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Eh, I'd argue that expecting Nintendo to release a revision for the purpose of staying within striking distance of PS5 and XBox4k means you haven't been paying attention. They will release new hardware revisions--bigger screens, lighter unit/better battery life, maybe a mini, maybe a VR-focused build, who knows?--but they will be upgrade in line with their own goals rather power-centric attempts to keep up.
That said, I think it's equally silly to think that new MS and Sony consoles will materially cut into the Switch's sales. As they've shown time and again, Nintendo can thrive in a niche and they are more than happy occupy that "second console" sales space. By the time new powerhouse consoles hit, Switch will be in its third or fourth holiday, have its second wave of core software, and likely be half the price or less compared to the competition. It's not going to just drop off the map. Plus it has the advantage of being the only core portable on the market, which is going to start paying dividends in Japanese software and help it keep selling to kids. And do I have to bring up Pokemon?
To bring this post around to the thread topic, if the Switch keeps selling the way it has this year, then it stands to end up somewhere between the PS4 and the Wii. If not, it will still be a huge leap over the Wii U. At this point, I don't think anything can turn the Switch into a complete failure for Nintendo, especially coming off their last console.
As to what they'll do after that, who can say? You'd expect them to keep riding that hybrid train, but this is Nintendo, the bipolar Willy Wonka of the games industry. Their unpredictability is what makes them fun and frustrating to follow, and is probably the reason they've lasted so long. For better or for worse, for richer and for poorer and for richer again, they'll keep doing their own thing to the end.
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WaterAstro
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I wouldn't say eating crow just yet. If anything, Nintendo has struggled with longevity. They always had the fanbase that would gobble up the initial stock. Anyone who did say it would fail right out of the gate are crow eaters though.
The coming years will be a test for Nintendo to keep up their support for the console. It should also be said that because it's a hybrid, their massive handheld success is really contributing a lot to the launch. I'm interested to see how Nintendo handle their hand held business because it feels like they just competed with themselves.
The coming years will be a test for Nintendo to keep up their support for the console. It should also be said that because it's a hybrid, their massive handheld success is really contributing a lot to the launch. I'm interested to see how Nintendo handle their hand held business because it feels like they just competed with themselves.
Grinchy
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The search works pretty well now! Here's what you said:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/bett...l-be-a-success.1333545/page-57#post-228305739
lol I have no idea if you said anything else, that's all the search could find. You may have to start worrying about it hitting Gamecube numbers, though
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No, its absolutely crow. The Switch if my math is correct has to be at a minimum of 16 million sold worldwide as of today, (someone correct me if I'm wrong)but I believe its closer to 18 or even 19million.(14.86 at the end of January)
That's crow any way you slice it and unless the biggest implosion in videogame history happens, its minimum lifetime sales(worst case scenario)is around 50 million.(horrible year 3 and 4)
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