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[KevinKeene]

I've got news for you: being an asshole WILL ABSOLUTELY get you fired. It happens ALL THE TIME. Most companies will rather hire someone with decent experience who has great people-skills over an expert with is a complete asshole. How well you do your job doesn't matter if people can't work with you.

I won't disagree that it can be a complex issue. I think "I'm against abortion, it should be forbidden" is much more reasonable than saying stuff like people from third-world countries are dysfunctional/have low IQs though (which is one of the things he said). I think the abortion debate can have arguments on both sides that aren't entirely driven by hate/ignorance which I think is what makes it fairly ok in the "controversial" space.

I think refusing to address a trans person by their correct gender might also be a problem though. I mean, it's kind of like I tell you "hey my name is John" and you go "no, I'll call you Sue because I don't want to call you John." Kind of an unnecessary dick move. What if a client of your is trans? Are you going to risk losing that client because you don't want to address the trans person by their correct gender? In that case I can see the company firing you for being a dick.

So much to reply to

1.) Assholes can have people skills, too. I wasn't talking about some unsociable skinhead, someone like that wouldn't have gotten the job in the first place.

2.) I don't see the analogy of adressing someone with a different name fit to not using the 'correct' pronoun. The former makes an odd, arbitrary choice, while the latter simply recognizes that (healthy) biology is absolute.

3.) The AfD loves to use ambigious statements. They probably want to shoot immigrants, no veto here. But they worded it so that it can be seen as 'if current law was applied, we'd have to shoot them'. Which is legally correct, except fuck killing people, you know.

4.) Coming back to the whole 'being fired' discussion: My problem is that our society puts too much focus and importance on working, on our jobs. Fortunately, automization will eventually fix that, but it's still ways to go. So in that current environment where people's lives depenf on their job, I staunchly believe that one shouldn't get fired over private social media activities. Terrible people like resetera-users fail to realize the damage their harassment campaigns are actually doing. For them it's a public comment, attacking someone and feeling good about themselves for 'making the world a better place', then lean back and continue with their comfy designer job. For the effected party, it is doom. Their life is in shambles, their reputation forever ruined, and they're looking at complete financial ruin, with everything that pertains. That doesn't make the world better. It just causes more misery. It's akin to applying physical violence to someone who only used insulting words. It's not right.

 

[TheGraykid]

It was a "joke" tweet on the internet not some political hate speech filled convention.

Jokes can be insulting. I don't know why "he was joking" is a defence here. It just seems like you're trying to downplay it and act like it's not a big deal. A person wanted to be an asshole, so they acted like an asshole, and then people treated them like an asshole. Nothing is lost in translation here, the joke is knowingly insulting.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Jesus fuck of course Alison Rapp deserved to be fired. She's an advocate for child porn. The call-girl stuff I don't care about personally but I can understand a kid-centric company like Nintendo not wanting any of that. No fucking business would want to touch her with the child porn stuff though. I'm pretty sure when that story broke I posted as much on this board. Not sure why you'd bring that up as some sort of "gatcha" when it is pretty clear cut.

The stuff about resetERA is a separate issue and much bigger issue overall concerning the formation of echo-chambers. There is a lot of hypocrisy on resetERA (see the al-franken thread and the Hillary abuser cover-up thread) but there is also hypocrisy here. It is not unique to the left or to "SJWs". The right does the same thing, and if we aren't careful, GAF will become the resetERA of the right -except with less moderation.

Sorry if that sounded like a bad attempt at a "gotcha" moment lol. Thing is, a lot of people didn't agree that she should have been fired back then. This crowd kind of crosses over to the crowd that got this guy fired now. She said some questionable stuff, he said some questionable stuff, I don't think either should have been fired over that because like I said, that doesn't make sense as punishment and this is becoming too frequent. Milder stuff could lead people to getting fired, maybe you said something bad 5 years ago and that could come up again to fuck you up, maybe a company doesn't want to employ a Trumper, maybe you posted that meme about Wakanda being alt-right and yeah can't work with a guy like that. It's always about the principle and when the principle is shit, so will be every situation that comes from it.

I agree that people shouldn't post dumb shit because they will face some consequences, everything in life is about that. But firing people and worse expecting them to be fired is not cool, it doesn't feel like consequence, but rather a mean to control what is said. That is not a good way to use what the technology brings us.

I agree with your second point entirely. Hive minds are never good, no matter how hard we disagree here, it's always better than being forced to agree. On this guy's thread on Resetera, you had people being banned or warned for not being outraged enough or stuff like that. There's only one way to look at the situation and at that point you don't have a discussion, you have people circle jerking. That's just a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Sàmban]

So much to reply to

1.) Assholes can have people skills, too. I wasn't talking about some unsociable skinhead, someone like that wouldn't have gotten the job in the first place.

2.) I don't see the analogy of adressing someone with a different name fit to not using the 'correct' pronoun. The former makes an odd, arbitrary choice, while the latter simply recognizes that (healthy) biology is absolute.

3.) The AfD loves to use ambigious statements. They probably want to shoot immigrants, no veto here. But they worded it so that it can be seen as 'if current law was applied, we'd have to shoot them'. Which is legally correct, except fuck killing people, you know.

4.) Coming back to the whole 'being fired' discussion: My problem is that our society puts too much focus and importance on working, on our jobs. Fortunately, automization will eventually fix that, but it's still ways to go. So in that current environment where people's lives depenf on their job, I staunchly believe that one shouldn't get fired over private social media activities. Terrible people like resetera-users fail to realize the damage their harassment campaigns are actually doing. For them it's a public comment, attacking someone and feeling good about themselves for 'making the world a better place', then lean back and continue with their comfy designer job. For the effected party, it is doom. Their life is in shambles, their reputation forever ruined, and they're looking at complete financial ruin, with everything that pertains. That doesn't make the world better. It just causes more misery. It's akin to applying physical violence to someone who only used insulting words. It's not right.

I see what you are getting at, but I don't think you're seeing the whole point.

1. If an asshole has people skills, he'll eventually come to the conclusion that he shouldn't be posting shit on social media anyway. I mean, you can be nice and all that to your coworkers/clients but what do you think happens when they learn that you're a racist on social media? They won't trust you and they won't want to work with you. And rightfully so, as you have created a hostile work environment; it doesn't matter that you haven't done anything. Your views now cast doubt on everything you do. Depending on where you work and who your target audience/customer is, this might or might not be a big problem. It is much easier and more reasonable for a company to just fire you than to deal with the fallout of all of this (because the ramifications are not predictable). Not being an asshole on social media IS part of having people-skills. After all, you area dealing with people and you need to understand that well enough to predict that saying dumb stuff on social media might impact your working conditions.

2. Actually, the crux of the issue here is that biology is NOT absolute, so it is a giant dick move to people who have been born in the wrong body to keep calling them what they don't identify with. But yeah, the analogy was not very good.

3. No comment as I don't know much about German politics

4. Think of it this way: society does put a major focus on working/jobs. Why should I have to put up with the fallout from some asshole who can't keep his dumb shit off twitter? What if we do decide to keep the asshole, but now other jobs don't want to interview me because they think I condone his behavior because I worked there? Why do I have to deal with potentially reduced productivity/revenue because of his dumb shit? What about when people make other mistakes that aren't related to twitter and get fired like gross negligence? Should we now be telling companies to just not fire grossly negligent people because we are concerned their career might be forever ruined?

 

[TheGraykid]

So much to reply to

1.) Assholes can have people skills, too. I wasn't talking about some unsociable skinhead, someone like that wouldn't have gotten the job in the first place.

2.) I don't see the analogy of adressing someone with a different name fit to not using the 'correct' pronoun. The former makes an odd, arbitrary choice, while the latter simply recognizes that (healthy) biology is absolute.

3.) The AfD loves to use ambigious statements. They probably want to shoot immigrants, no veto here. But they worded it so that it can be seen as 'if current law was applied, we'd have to shoot them'. Which is legally correct, except fuck killing people, you know.

4.) Coming back to the whole 'being fired' discussion: My problem is that our society puts too much focus and importance on working, on our jobs. Fortunately, automization will eventually fix that, but it's still ways to go. So in that current environment where people's lives depenf on their job, I staunchly believe that one shouldn't get fired over private social media activities. Terrible people like resetera-users fail to realize the damage their harassment campaigns are actually doing. For them it's a public comment, attacking someone and feeling good about themselves for 'making the world a better place', then lean back and continue with their comfy designer job. For the effected party, it is doom. Their life is in shambles, their reputation forever ruined, and they're looking at complete financial ruin, with everything that pertains. That doesn't make the world better. It just causes more misery. It's akin to applying physical violence to someone who only used insulting words. It's not right.

If you want to say something in private online you can do so very easy. You can create a private twitter account, you can use a fake name, you don't attach the name of your employer to your account. These aren't private comments, they're very very public. The entire point of the comments are that they are public expressions.

What he's doing is the equivalent of shitposting, in a way that feeds into all the hate on the internet, hate which primarily is directed at any/all minority groups.

His job gave him a soapbox and then he used it to shit on people. If that's what you do with your voice, people should at least be allowed to criticise that. If that criticism makes people not want to associate with you then that's how it goes.

No one is owed a specific job or a soapbox that comes with it. If you're such a toxic person that no one wants to hire you, then you should take that upon yourself to rethink the way you express yourself.

 

[strange headache]

Different groups people have different experiences and therefore are poised to develop different views. Easy.

There, I fixed that for you.

A white person and a black person growing up in the same socio-economical environment will be much more similar than an upper-class white person and a homeless person. The same goes for any other group evidently. It's an empirical fact that identity politics simply refuses to acknowledge and I find it kinda worrisome that we've started categorizing individuals by superficial appearances again. It's also the reason why so many other people, going against the group narrative, are simply ignored.

Like, I get that social mixitude and mobility is important, but if the USA truly wants to fix that problem, it should start with fixing its educational system. You know, schools are one of the most important factor for socialization, integration and mobility. It's the place where young people share their experiences with each other, creating mutual understanding. But as long as the elite can go to privileged private schools, while the middle-class is forced to frequent downtrodden american public schools, the social divide will only continue to grow.

 

[KevinKeene]

Samban, I want to say that I appreciate the civil discourse with you, but I'm too tired for a drawn-out debate right now and I think we fundamentally disagree on certain points (which is okay), so apologies if I don't reply to your last posting above.


My views on the concept of work/jobs are rather niche anyway.

Looking forward to future exchanges.

 

[Lionel Richie]

His job gave him a soapbox and then he used it to shit on people. If that's what you do with your voice, people should at least be allowed to criticise that. If that criticism makes people not want to associate with you then that's how it goes.

The main thing here is the principle, people getting fired because they don't share an acceptable world view. What if the paradigm shifts on what is and isn't acceptable? What if someone gets fired for declaring him/herself as a feminist? Still cool? Still criticism?

 

[strange headache]

Bringing the discussion back on topic.

Looks like threads on Steam are deleted and people wanting to discuss the situation are banned from their forums.

The gaming community is reacting by massively down-voting the game. Firing the developer in order to appease some, certainly has enraged others.

 

[KevinKeene]

Looks like threads on Steam are deleted and people wanting to discuss the situation are banned from their forums.

The gaming community is reacting by massively down-voting the game. Firing the developer in order to appease some, certainly has enraged others.

Nice to see customers being vocal about this practice.

 

[David___]

I hope ya'll never use Steam again considering Valve gave these moderation tools for devs to use, thus limiting their free speech, or something

 

[d4emon]

I hope ya'll never use Steam again considering Valve gave these moderation tools for devs to use, thus limiting their free speech, or something

Not a very logical comparison. If valve were closing the threads and banning the users you'd be right.

 

[Dunki]

Bringing the discussion back on topic.

Looks like threads on Steam are deleted and people wanting to discuss the situation are banned from their forums.

The gaming community is reacting by massively down-voting the game. Firing the developer in order to appease some, certainly has enraged others.

Of course this would happen. Thats why I am sayying never lsiten not a few nutcases who would not even buy your game to begin with. In these cicrles he has become another victim of political correctness and as I said before he now goes to talkshows like the one with Milo. All this has caused was another SJW are fucking crazy situation. But I guess the saubnatica devs knew that would happen.

The game is done for

 

[d4emon]

Of course this would happen. Thats why I am sayying never lsiten not a few nutcases who would not even buy your game to begin with. In these cicrles he has become another victim of political correctness and as I said before he now goes to talkshows like the one with Milo. All this has caused was another SJW are fucking crazy situation. But I guess the saubnatica devs knew that would happen.

The game is done for

nah, the game is far from done. if you're a normal person you'll buy the game if you like it. Only those with very strong moral principles thinking this is outrageous wouldn't buy it because of this. And those claiming racism and how they wouldn't buy it because there's a racist in the team. well, they weren't going to buy it anyways.

 

[TheGraykid]

The main thing here is the principle, people getting fired because they don't share an acceptable world view. What if the paradigm shifts on what is and isn't acceptable? What if someone gets fired for declaring him/herself as a feminist? Still cool? Still criticism?

It's not your view on the world its how you choose to express that. This person expressed their viewpoint by using their public platform to shit on people who are just trying to live their lives. This is all just multiplied by the fact that the people who are being shitted on are arguably the people who are being treated the worst by modern society.

Also, society evolves, there's nothing wrong with that. In 200 years time being a feminist might be akin to being the devil. And if that's the case then that's the case. The Overton window is aways moving, and almost always that moving has been for the better even if people at the time didn't think so. Saying that "you can't call a viewpoint unacceptable, because one day your viewpoint might be unacceptable." isn't a catch 22, it's a call to action to better debate your viewpoints. Unacceptable is a good thing, unacceptable is what allows us to have this civil conversation right now. There are rules. We all know the rules. And those rules are created by our current viewpoint on how we should talk to each other. If you want to be here you have to abide by those rules. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[TrainedRage]

Is it wrong for me to say I just don't care about this anymore?

 

[Lionel Richie]

It's not your view on the world its how you choose to express that. This person expressed their viewpoint by using their public platform to shit on people who are just trying to live their lives. This is all just multiplied by the fact that the people who are being shitted on are arguably the people who are being treated the worst by modern society.

Also, society evolves, there's nothing wrong with that. In 200 years time being a feminist might be akin to being the devil. And if that's the case then that's the case. The Overton window is aways moving, and almost always that moving has been for the better even if people at the time didn't think so. Saying that "you can't call a viewpoint unacceptable, because one day your viewpoint might be unacceptable." isn't a catch 22, it's a call to action to better debate your viewpoints. Unacceptable is a good thing, unacceptable is what allows us to have this civil conversation right now. There are rules. We all know the rules. And those rules are created by our current viewpoint on how we should talk to each other. If you want to be here you have to abide by those rules. There's nothing wrong with that.

It's weird because I agree with everything you said lol but I disagree with the initial premise. I think firing someone because of their view or even how they express it outside of where they work is really not good and it creates a shit precedent like I've argued a few times here. That doesn't even make sense as a punishment and I think it ends up working more as a control mechanic than a teaching one, "don't say what we don't want you to say or you're fucked" which borders on a penal system and that is just too much for what are essentially opinions.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I'm at the point where I find any videogame activism annoying. Buy it or don't. It's a game not an essential good.

 

[Dunki]

It's weird because I agree with everything you said lol but I disagree with the initial premise. I think firing someone because of their view or even how they express it outside of where they work is really not good and it creates a shit precedent like I've argued a few times here. That doesn't even make sense as a punishment and I think it ends up working more as a control mechanic than a teaching one, "don't say what we don't want you to say or you're fucked" which borders on a penal system and that is just too much for what are essentially opinions.

reading his twitter its quite the opposite He has even deepen his opinion about this topic and gets invited to shows etc. Silencing people will only make their "hate" stronger and they will more people agreeing with their views too. Trying to silence him will only lead to the total opposite result.

 

[Autoignition]

Is it wrong for me to say I just don't care about this anymore?

No, I don't think it's wrong. I'm very quickly reaching that point, too.

Businesses make independent decisions based on what they think is best for their own survival and profit. As long as the termination isn't blatantly discriminatory, then who they decide to shitcan has nothing to do with the rest of us. Unknown Worlds Entertainment clearly felt that this guy wasn't a good representative of their name, based on his behavior. That was the company's decision to make. No one stormed the offices and held a gun to the CEO's head.

I think the issue here is that certain posters are confusing the idea of facing consequences based on behavior with facing actual, legitimate discrimination. Being terminated for poor behavior is not the same thing as being terminated for being a person of color/LGBT/a woman, etc.

Grown adults (especially professionals in their field) are responsible for their own behavior and ultimately do have to answer for the things they say and do themselves.

 

[PtM]

There, I fixed that for you.

A white person and a black person growing up in the same socio-economical environment will be much more similar than an upper-class white person and a homeless person. The same goes for any other group evidently. It's an empirical fact that identity politics simply refuses to acknowledge and I find it kinda worrisome that we've started categorizing individuals by superficial appearances again. It's also the reason why so many other people, going against the group narrative, are simply ignored.

You're arguing against group narrative by grouping people differently.

 

[Sephiroth]

Since I'm logged in anyway I'd like to leave a big thanks to whoever mod moved this thread to the offtopic forum, can you guys make it a rule to send all political gaming drama to the offtopic please so I can read my gaming news in peace?

I noticed it when it happened and I couldn't be happier, honestly all this forum needs is a little more transparency about why people get banned and it might be even better than 2004 neogaf. I still can't believe I'm back reading neogaf, I've missed this place.

 

[TrainedRage]

No, I don't think it's wrong. I'm very quickly reaching that point, too.

Businesses make independent decisions based on what they think is best for their own survival and profit. As long as the termination isn't blatantly discriminatory, then who they decide to shitcan has nothing to do with the rest of us. Unknown Worlds Entertainment clearly felt that this guy wasn't a good representative of their name, based on his behavior. That was the company's decision to make. No one stormed the offices and held a gun to the CEO's head.

I think the issue here is that certain posters are confusing the idea of facing consequences based on behavior with facing actual, legitimate discrimination. Being terminated for poor behavior is not the same thing as being terminated for being a person of color/LGBT/a woman, etc.

Grown adults (especially professionals in their field) are responsible for their own behavior and ultimately do have to answer for the things they say and do themselves.

I agree. If you want to find a reason to fire someone its pretty easy. Not that that excuses being a jerk. The idea that nobody is perfect, in this day and age is going overlooked, in favor of being salacious in journalism or just to be offended.

 

[Jon Neu]

The gaming community is reacting by massively down-voting the game. Firing the developer in order to appease some, certainly has enraged others.

I'm so happy that is happening.

Don't let bullies and cowards get away with it.

 

[TrainedRage]

I'm so happy that is happening.

Don't let bullies and cowards get away with it.

I don't get this logic at all.... The game is bad because of one of the creators (out of game) personal issues?

 

[Jon Neu]

I don't get this logic at all.... The game is bad because of one of the creators (out of game) personal issues?

I couldn't care less about the game. But I love seeing people making a statement against the dictatorship of the Political Correctness that cowardly fired that guy for having the "wrong" opinions.

 

[TrainedRage]

I couldn't care less about the game. But I love seeing people making a statement against the dictatorship of the Political Correctness that cowardly fired that guy for having the "wrong" opinions.

But clearly you care about the game if you thing its a good thing its being massively down-voted. I mean there are other ways besides being extremely lazy and pressing a thumbs down on Steam to get your point across. I just don't see the positives of down-voting the game.

 

[David___]

I couldn't care less about the game. But I love seeing people making a statement against the dictatorship of the Political Correctness that cowardly fired that guy for having the "wrong" opinions.

How did you feel about people review bombing Firewatch when Pewdiepie called someone a "nigger" over PUBG?

 

[Jon Neu]

But clearly you care about the game if you thing its a good thing its being massively down-voted. I mean there are other ways besides being extremely lazy and pressing a thumbs down on Steam to get your point across. I just don't see the positives of down-voting the game.

I don't even know what game are we talking about, that's how much I care about the game.

But I love that the company that fired a man because they wanted to align themselves with the mob of the political correctness by trashing the weaker side without any compassion, are now facing backlash for it.

They deserve that and much more.

 

[PtM]

I'm so happy that is happening.

Don't let bullies and cowards get away with it.

But you're applauding just another bullying?

 

[Jon Neu]

But you're applauding just another bullying?

Neither of those people fired someone because of his political opinions.

I'm baffled that you are even trying to conflate both.

 

[PtM]

Neither of those people fired someone because of his political opinions.

I'm baffled that you are even trying to conflate both.

They're willing to endanger the livelihoods of a whole bunch of people, arguably because of what comes down to political opinions.
It's not the same level, but it comes from a similar mindset.

 

[Jon Neu]

I don't know in America, but in Europe free speech is a fundamental human right: you have the right to express your opinions and that doesn't grant anybody the right to discriminate against you, just like this company did by firing this man.

What's next? Firing people because they are pro or anti abortion?

It's ironic how the people who talk more about diversity are the ones that hate diversity of ideas and points of view the most.

They're willing to endanger the livelihoods of a whole bunch of people, arguably because of what comes down to political opinions.
It's not the same level, but it comes from a similar mindset.

Sorry, but firing someone just because you don't like his political opinions it's not the same mindset as protesting that you fired someone because of his political opinions.

 

[TheGraykid]

It's weird because I agree with everything you said lol but I disagree with the initial premise. I think firing someone because of their view or even how they express it outside of where they work is really not good and it creates a shit precedent like I've argued a few times here. That doesn't even make sense as a punishment and I think it ends up working more as a control mechanic than a teaching one, "don't say what we don't want you to say or you're fucked" which borders on a penal system and that is just too much for what are essentially opinions.

I think when you use your company as a means to help sculpt yourself a public platform online, then what you say no longer belongs to only you, it belongs to the people who work with you, and the people who hire you. It no longer is outside of where you work, because you've already brought your work into it. There are millions of people online right now saying what he's saying and nothing happens to them because they're haven't presented themselves publicly online as employee of big company X. You cannot use your status as an employee of a cool company to build your online profile, and then feel hard done by when that company casts you aside after you've used that online profile to insult their customers.

 

[Sàmban]

I don't know in America, but in Europe free speech is a fundamental human right: you have the right to express your opinions and that doesn't grant anybody the right to discriminate against you, just like this company did by firing this man.

What's next? Firing people because they are pro or anti abortion?

It's ironic how the people who talk more about diversity are the ones that hate diversity of ideas and points of view the most.



Sorry, but firing someone just because you don't like his political opinions it's not the same mindset as protesting that you fired someone because of his political opinions.

People protested what he said. Now people are protesting what the developers did. The developers had every right to fire him. Both groups of protestors have every right to exercise their free speech.

Both groups are literally doing the exact same thing: voicing opinions against something they don’t like. And that’s fine. It’s a free country.

End of story. Any arguments to the contrary makes you a hypocrite.

 

[d4emon]

To be clear, I don't think the company's at fault. The hate mob escalates things pretty fast. It's like a hidden textbook of business practices after 3.0: if your employee gets targetted, dispose of him/her.

 

[Mahadev]

OK this is kind of funny, with all that talk about comments being removed from the subnautica forum I went there and found a thread about a tweet from a different subnautica dev and they're asking them if she'll get fired too.

Is this considered an insensitive tweet?

the risk of exposing the shocking incompetence of many cis white males sitting in their corner offices is too much for some

I hope they're just trying to point out the hypocrisy though and not seriously trying to get her fired.

 

[Jon Neu]

People protested what he said. Now people are protesting what the developers did. The developers had every right to fire him. Both groups of protestors have every right to exercise their free speech.

Both groups are literally doing the exact same thing: voicing opinions against something they don’t like. And that’s fine. It’s a free country.

End of story. Any arguments to the contrary makes you a hypocrite.

Hypocrisy is believing that firing a man because he has political opinions you don't like is the same as protesting that you fired a man for his political opinions.

 

[Broseybrose]

This is what people like you actively do to silence left-wing voices.

And this is what people like you actively do to silence free speech advocates.

This happened either yesterday or today btw.

edit- Wow this thread is moving really fast again.

 

[Sàmban]

How did you feel about people review bombing Firewatch when Pewdiepie called someone a "nigger" over PUBG?

I’ve seen this dude post shit implying black people are inferior to white people before. I’d be surprised if he answered that.

Hypocrisy is believing that firing a man because he has political opinions you don't like is the same as protesting that you fired a man for his political opinions.

No it isn’t. That’s maybe an equivocation, not hypocrisy.

 

[David___]

I’ve seen this dude post shit implying black people are inferior to white people before. I’d be surprised if he answered that.

It's been nearly an hour with no answer while he's still posting here, so the silence is all I need really

 

[Jon Neu]

OK this is kind of funny, with all that talk about comments being removed from the subnautica forum I went there and found a thread about a tweet from a different subnautica dev and they're asking them if she'll get fired too.

Is this considered an insensitive tweet?



I hope they're just trying to point out the hypocrisy though and not seriously trying to get her fired.

They are obviously trying to point out the hypocrisy, because it's really hypocrital to fire people for his political opinions and then don't fire the political opinions of other people. Blatant hypocrisy at sight.

I don't think that is offensive, it's just ignorant and makes evident that person is not very smart and she's probably a man hating feminist, but she has all the right in the world to be that if she wants and that doesn't give his boss the right to fire her.

Those terms in the USA are thrown a lot to justify everything, like firing some dude because he said something "insensitive/offensive". The dictatorship of the political correctness.

I’ve seen this dude post shit implying black people are inferior to white people before. He’s not going to answer that.

What in the actual hell are you talking about? When I have said black people are inferior to white people?

You better give me a proper explanation or I'm going to report you into oblivion. I'm not going to tolerate this bully tactics of trying to imply that I'm a racist because you don't like my opinions.

No it isn’t. That’s an equivocation, not hypocrisy.

It's both.

 

[TheGraykid]

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I don't know in America, but in Europe free speech is a fundamental human right: you have the right to express your opinions and that doesn't grant anybody the right to discriminate against you, just like this company did by firing this man.

What's next? Firing people because they are pro or anti abortion?

It's ironic how the people who talk more about diversity are the ones that hate diversity of ideas and points of view the most.



Sorry, but firing someone just because you don't like his political opinions it's not the same mindset as protesting that you fired someone because of his political opinions.

I think labeling what he said "expressing his political opinions", is a pretty tame way of interpreting what he did. What I saw was someone ridiculing people for various reasons. Your company firing you for ridiculing their customers isn't your company discriminating against you, it's your company getting rid of a shitty employee.

 

[Jon Neu]

It's been nearly an hour with no answer while he's still posting here, so the silence is all I need really

I'm not a PR, I don't need to answer all the silly questions some people made about stuff that I don't even know.

Pewdipie is a youtuber, right? Then he should know he is a giant PR and everything he says it's important to the milimeter. I already answered this in previous posts but seems you didn't care to read them.

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I think labeling what he said "expressing his political opinions", is a pretty tame way of interpreting what he did. What I saw was someone ridiculing people for various reasons. Your company firing you for ridiculing their customers isn't your company discriminating against you, it's your company getting rid of a shitty employee.

You can spin any opinion as "ridiculing someone" in any way or the other, and then say everybody in the world it's a potential customer. It's just a lazy excuse to fire someone just because you don't like the way he thinks.

Making fun of the feminist and diversity tropes in videogames or posting memes of attack helicopter it's not ridiculing customers.

 

[Sàmban]

What in the actual hell are you talking about? When I have said black people are inferior to white people?

You better give me a proper explanation or I'm going to report you into oblivion. I'm not going to tolerate this bully tactics of trying to imply that I'm a racist because you don't like my opinions.

You posted this in the race relations thread to a comment of mine saying that the reason a lot of black people aren't doing so well is because of their shit being fucked up due to historic/systematic racism, putting them at a significant disadvantage to white people:

I think the actual lie resides in the idea that black people are having their "shit fucked up" and it's not their fault.

And white people are simply tired of hearing that everything bad that happens to any non white people it's white people fault. Specially when "white" societies are by far the best societies in the world.

That's race relations in a nutshell.

Alright, this seems like obvious bait, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I disagree with this, and I seriously hope your opinions have some substance, however controversial, instead of braindead racist bullshit.

In your opinion, what is it that black people are doing/have done that makes their current situation their fault?

Also, why do you think "white" societies are by far the best in the world?

I asked you to clarify this comment because it seemed like you were implying that what I said was black people's fault and white people are tired of hearing black people complain especially when their societies are by far the best in the world. You never did. And it was the only comment you made in that thread judging by your post history. It was a shitpost because you posted a hot-take meant to rile people up that was absurdly ignorant. You literally a shitposted in an otherwise interesting thread full of decent discussion. You are free to clarify it now though.

 

[Jon Neu]

You posted this in the race relations thread to a comment of mine saying that the reason a lot of black people aren't doing so well is because of their shit being fucked up due to historic/systematic racism, putting them at a significant disadvantage to white people:



I asked you to clarify this comment (see below). You never did. And it was the only comment you made in that thread judging by your post history. You literally a shitposted in an otherwise interesting thread full of decent discussion. You are free to clarify it now though.

So saying that black people should own their lives instead of blaming everything on the "evil white" trope, is racist?

And yeah, white societies despite all the criticisim that you throw at them for being the source of all the problems that black people face in their lives everyday, are by far the best societies in the world. That's a fact.

And I didn't see your post, because I would have reported you back then if I saw that you were calling me racist then too.

 

[TheGraykid]

I'm not a PR, I don't need to answer all the silly questions some people made about stuff that I don't even know.

Pewdipie is a youtuber, right? Then he should know he is a giant PR and everything he says it's important to the milimeter. I already answered this in previous posts but seems you didn't care to read them.



You can spin any opinion as "ridiculing someone" in any way or the other, and then say everybody in the world it's a potential customer. It's just a lazy excuse to fire someone just because you don't like the way he thinks.

Making fun of the feminist and diversity tropes in videogames or posting memes of attack helicopter it's not ridiculing customers.

There are ways to express your opinion that aren't hostile or you making fun of people. If you don't understand trans people, you don't post insulting memes, you do research, listen to others arguments and you can talk to people in a respectful way. There are ways of interacting with the world which aren't you shitting on it.

 

[SatansReverence]

And this is what people like you actively do to silence free speech advocates.

This happened either yesterday or today btw.

edit- Wow this thread is moving really fast again.

Who was it on here that recently said that the left weren't rallying under the hammer sickle like the "right" do with the swastika?

 

[PtM]

OK this is kind of funny, with all that talk about comments being removed from the subnautica forum I went there and found a thread about a tweet from a different subnautica dev and they're asking them if she'll get fired too.

Is this considered an insensitive tweet?



I hope they're just trying to point out the hypocrisy though and not seriously trying to get her fired.

Since it doesn't go against the diversity the studio is striving for, she is in a better position from the start.

 

[Sàmban]

I'm not a PR, I don't need to answer all the silly questions some people made about stuff that I don't even know.

Pewdipie is a youtuber, right? Then he should know he is a giant PR and everything he says it's important to the milimeter. I already answered this in previous posts but seems you didn't care to read them.

Answer the fucking question. Don't pull this "I don't need to answer all the silly questions" bullshit. You seem to be implying here that PDP should have been more careful because of his public youtuber status, but then somehow can't make the same jump to a fucking videogame developer discussing company property on twitter among other things? Get real dude. That is the definition of hypocrisy by the way.

It's both.

No, it isn't. I don't think you know how that word works.