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[Broseybrose]

Sometimes it does work though. And when it does work it isn't usually immediately. Even when someone disagrees with you in the moment, when it's something that has a ring of truth to it, the idea tends to stick with people, and may eventually change minds.

Truth.

 

[Autoignition]

Sometimes it does work though. And when it does work it isn't usually immediately. Even when someone disagrees with you in the moment, when it's something that has a ring of truth to it, the idea tends to stick with people, and may eventually change minds.

I like your half glass full perspective on this.

 

[ilfait]

Broseyfists all around.

 

[ilfait]

I don't know if this has been posted here. Fired Subnautica dev's account of the discussion with his team; from https://www.dangerous.com/41119/subnautica-game-developer-fired-conservative-views/:

“They began asking me how I would react if they hired a Muslim or trans person. I said I’d debate them like anyone else on the team if I disagreed with them,” said Chylinski. “They said that this would create an unwelcoming working environment and that they see it as a problem that almost only white men are working there, and they need more diversity and that what I said would make that difficult to achieve.”

The sound designer was quick to defend his former employers to DANGEROUS. “These guys are not bad people. I don’t want to paint them that way,” he said. “They are very talented and on a personal level they are nice to be around.”

 

[d4emon]

If you mean the attack helicopter joke, it was making fun of transgender people and implying that they don't exist. It's implying that if you can have your brain identify you as the other sex, it's just as logical to identify as an inanimate object. An attack helicopter has become the inanimate object of choice among asshole memers.

Incorrect, attack helicopter makes fun of the 53+ tumblr gender choices, not the transgender type in particular. If no one but yourself can determine what your identity is, why can't you identify as a propelled weaponized aircraft?

Gender as identity is like trying to put a cattle tag on a human, but that's my opinion.

 

[Lionel Richie]

“They began asking me how I would react if they hired a Muslim or trans person. I said I’d debate them like anyone else on the team if I disagreed with them,” said Chylinski. “They said that this would create an unwelcoming working environment and that they see it as a problem that almost only white men are working there, and they need more diversity and that what I said would make that difficult to achieve.”

Translation: "we'll make you a sacrificial lamb for something you tweeted in order to pretend we're doing something to appease a crowd of people who will never ever be appeased". Great times we're living.

 

[David___]

I don't know if this has been posted here. Fired Subnautica dev's account of the discussion with his team; from https://www.dangerous.com/41119/subnautica-game-developer-fired-conservative-views/:

“They began asking me how I would react if they hired a Muslim or trans person. I said I’d debate them like anyone else on the team if I disagreed with them,” said Chylinski. “They said that this would create an unwelcoming working environment and that they see it as a problem that almost only white men are working there, and they need more diversity and that what I said would make that difficult to achieve.”

The sound designer was quick to defend his former employers to DANGEROUS. “These guys are not bad people. I don’t want to paint them that way,” he said. “They are very talented and on a personal level they are nice to be around.”

Did you seriously link a site that was launched by fucking Milo Yiannopoulos as some sort of legitimate source?

edit: nvm, didn't see he was banned

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I don't know if this has been posted here. Fired Subnautica dev's account of the discussion with his team; from https://www.dangerous.com/41119/subnautica-game-developer-fired-conservative-views/:

“They began asking me how I would react if they hired a Muslim or trans person. I said I’d debate them like anyone else on the team if I disagreed with them,” said Chylinski. “They said that this would create an unwelcoming working environment and that they see it as a problem that almost only white men are working there, and they need more diversity and that what I said would make that difficult to achieve.”

The sound designer was quick to defend his former employers to DANGEROUS. “These guys are not bad people. I don’t want to paint them that way,” he said. “They are very talented and on a personal level they are nice to be around.”

I hate to quote myself, but,

Though the topic title says he was fired over "Insensitive Tweets," it would appear to me that he was given an opportunity to explain his douchebaggery and failed.

 

[Jon Neu]

So he basically said he would treat them exactly as everybody else and yet he got fired.

Translation: "we'll make you a sacrificial lamb for something you tweeted in order to pretend we're doing something to appease a crowd of people who will never ever be appeased". Great times we're living.

Basically.

 

[Broseybrose]

Broseyfists all around.

Ha!

Did you seriously link a site that was launched by fucking Milo Yiannopoulos as some sort of legitimate source?

edit: nvm, didn't see he was banned

Is that website actually a banned source? If not, I think a warning wouldve been sufficient?

Anyway I hope it isnt a permanent ban. I like ilfait .

 

[SatansReverence]

Did you seriously link a site that was launched by fucking Milo Yiannopoulos as some sort of legitimate source?

And this is why echo chambers are a thing.

So, you're saying that interview never took place? Or are you saying it doesn't matter if it did because Milo? All that can be heard however is "I don't agree with thing so dismiss it out of hand". Pro tip; if you have any interest in being informed, listen to more than one side of a story.

The actual quote is pretty damning really.

 

[Broseybrose]

And this is why echo chambers are a thing.

So, you're saying that interview never took place? Or are you saying it doesn't matter if it did because Milo? All that can be heard however is "I don't agree with thing so dismiss it out of hand". Pro tip; if you have any interest in being informed, listen to more than one side of a story.

The actual quote is pretty damning really.

Couldn't agree more with you.

 

[JORMBO]

Did you seriously link a site that was launched by fucking Milo Yiannopoulos as some sort of legitimate source?

edit: nvm, didn't see he was banned

Not sure what is wrong with the article. They did interview the guy who got fired and have quotes from him. Seems like it would be relevant to the topic.

 

[Rookje]

“They said that this would create an unwelcoming working environment and that they see it as a problem that almost only white men are working there, and they need more diversity and that what I said would make that difficult to achieve.”

Diversity for what purpose? They should hire whoever is most qualified to do the job, no matter what race, gender, creed, sexual orientation etc.

The issue is that today businesses want to be diverse for diversity sake -- as in, they don't want to be painted as racists because most of their team are white males. That is ridiculous. If there aren't enough women engineers at your studio, that is a question for the sociologists and philosophers not your HR department.

I do see Unknown Worlds point that by having a prominent critic in the media of certain beliefs (say, Islam) they could be closing doors of competent, exceptional potential employees that happen to be followers of Islam who may now see Unknown Worlds as a hostile environment for them. That's normal for businesses these days, but I think is problematic. If Chylinski is using the workplace (and I mean the actual workplace, not Twitter or personal social media accounts) as a podium or forum to discuss political beliefs, then that is unacceptable. But it is part of life to have your own views and be able to work with others with different views. A Muslim should not be turned off from working at a company because there are non-Muslims, or people there who are critical of Islam. For one, just because that person may be critical of your beliefs does not mean he may be someone problematic to work with in a professional, workplace environment. One may assume he may show bias against you, but we have to give people the benefit of the doubt. To suggest that a Muslim can't work in a workplace because there are individuals there who have private views that are opposite to their own is an insult to that Muslim. People do that everyday already. How many Christians have to work in a workplace with atheists? Or blacks in workplace with predominantly white people?

TL;DR - It still appears that Chylinski was fired because of his personal views expressed outside the company was making a segment of people online uncomfortable. In an ideal world, people would be able to express their opinions openly and not fear that someone will alert their employer. "I don't agree with that person's opinion on an issue they expressed outside the workplace that has nothing to do with the workplace" is NOT a justification to be fired, in my opinion. BUT, in a capitalistic system the company is there to make money. Anything to cause negative light on the company that could make it difficult to make money is a problem. Under that premise, I can understand why they fired him and why employees should not speak openly about their views in a public forum. And that is why this issue is an issue in the first place.

 

[Rookje]

We had that time. We call it "America pre-1965" lol. Is it so hard to be respectful of others?.

In the workplace? Yes. That is a professional environment.

To say all of your opinions must be respectful to everyone is ridiculous. To be a critic of Nazis I have to make sure I'm respectful to Nazis feelings? Insane belief, I'm sorry.

Also I have no idea what you mean by "America pre-1965."

 

[Kadayi]

Does anyone else think that there's a really weird presumption to the idea that diversity of being somehow naturally translating into a diversity of thought? Especially in a professional capacity. I mean whether you're a software engineer, a lawyer, a firefighter, or a doctor, you're operating with procedures and systems. In any role intuition certainly can play a part, but I'm not sure we can qualify where that ability to think outside the box in a constructive fashion comes from with any degree of exactitude.

 

[SatansReverence]

Though the topic title says he was fired over "Insensitive Tweets," it would appear to me that he was given an opportunity to explain his douchebaggery and failed.

Not giving people preferential treatment because of their skin colour or "gender" does not make you a douchebag.

 

[KevinKeene]

And this is why echo chambers are a thing.

So, you're saying that interview never took place? Or are you saying it doesn't matter if it did because Milo? All that can be heard however is "I don't agree with thing so dismiss it out of hand". Pro tip; if you have any interest in being informed, listen to more than one side of a story.

The actual quote is pretty damning really.

Agreed. I was thinking the same. Din't get me wrong, I'm not a particular fan of Milo, I never visit websites like Breitbart, but news are news.

And you know ... websites are citing resetera as a source, so anything goes.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

Not giving people preferential treatment because of their skin colour or "gender" does not make you a douchebag.

Nobody was asking to give preferential treatment. Just respect minority groups like you would anyone else. An "attack helicopter" joke goes against that.

 

[Dunki]

Nobody was asking to give preferential treatment. Just respect minority groups like you would anyone else. An "attack helicopter" joke goes against that.

I am sorry but this has nothing to do with trans people it has something to do with. The attack helicopter meme was founded on a video with some crazy nutcase called Milo who made a vdeo about 76 different gender. Some highlights were a gender that changes its sex" how it want to. In the day its male, in the night its female or depending on feeling etc.

In the meantime Tumblr bought it to 312 Gender identities. And this is where this jokes comes from. If you want to blame someone blame tumblr

Hee is some list. Do not know if it all of them but have fun

https://www.wattpad.com/341462536-complete-list-of-genders-the-complete-list-of-all/page/6

 

[Hamster Plugin]

I am sorry but this has nothing to do with trans people it has something to do with. The attack helicopter meme was founded on a video with some crazy nutcase called Milo who made a vdeo about 76 different gender. Some highlights were a gender that changes its sex" how it want to. In the day its male, in the night its female or depending on feeling etc.

In the meantime Tumblr bought it to 312 Gender identities. And this is where this jokes comes from. If you want to blame someone blame tumblr

Hee is some list. Do not know if it all of them but have fun

https://www.wattpad.com/341462536-complete-list-of-genders-the-complete-list-of-all/page/6

He did not make the joke in response to Tumblr (chances are that this 312 genders thing is a right wing "joke" anyway). He made it in response to a "choose gender" question. It's quite clearly intended as a transphobic joke.

It doesn't matter where it came from.

 

[Dunki]

He did not make the joke in response to Tumblr (chances are that this 312 genders thing is a right wing "joke" anyway). He made it in response to a "choose gender" question. It's quite clearly intended as a transphobic joke.

It doesn't matter where it came from.

1. The gender thing is no joke. It is true. Sadly Milo deleted the video and I think his channel after tons of backlash.
2. Yes he made fun of it because it has become ridiclous to be honest. Almost no one cares about trans people in these troll areas like 4chan, like gamergate or the internet. There are lots of people in these fields who are trans too. They make fun of the whole ridculous situation it has become. So yes it does not matter where it came from. People are just fed up with this. Trans has become pretty normal in thse circles so it goes not against this at all.

When you take everything way o far you get ridiculed. And it is another reason why identity politics will never work in the real world.

 

[strange headache]

Anyway I hope it isnt a permanent ban. I like ilfait .

He wasn't banned for posting the link. He was temp banned for a different reason. I'm glad it has been cleared up, since the interview was still relevant.

Also I have no idea what you mean by "America

I'm not American, but I think he refers to the Voting Rights Act, which was a direct result of the Selma to Montgomery protest marches. It only proves the importance of free speech, because you can't have civil disobedience without it.

Does anyone else think that there's a really weird presumption to the idea that diversity of being somehow naturally translating into a diversity of thought? Especially in a professional capacity. I mean whether you're a software engineer, a lawyer, a firefighter, or a doctor, you're operating with procedures and systems. In any role intuition certainly can play a part, but I'm not sure we can qualify where that ability to think outside the box in a constructive fashion comes from with any degree of exactitude.

Agreed, anything else than diversity of thought would imply that people of the same ethnicity would ALL be identical. People that share the same skin color, culture, ethnicity or sexuality, are not some kind of homogeneous blob. We are not the Borg and I find it borderline discriminatory to imply such thing.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

1. The gender thing is no joke. It is true. Sadly Milo deleted the video and I think his channel after tons of backlash.
2. Yes he made fun of it because it has become ridiclous to be honest. Almost no one cares about trans people in these troll areas like 4chan, like gamergate or the internet. There are lots of people in these fields who are trans too. They make fun of the whole ridculous situation it has become. So yes it does not matter where it came from. People are just fed up with this. Trans has become pretty normal in thse circles so it goes not against this at all.

When you take everything way o far you get ridiculed. And it is another reason why identity politics will never work in the real world.

They seem to care quite a lot when you look at shit like the Twitch chat during Games Done Quick events. They were forced to make it subscriber-only this year because of all the abuse towards certain people (Not White Males).

Milo is a terrible source, as he has organized harassment against people before. That's why he is banned from Twitter. He also named a trans student in a university speech in order to direct right-wing students to send death threats that way. When you support people like this, it's no longer just a free speech issue.

 

[Dunki]

They seem to care quite a lot when you look at shit like the Twitch chat during Games Done Quick events. They were forced to make it subscriber-only this year because of all the abuse towards certain people (Not White Males).

Milo is a terrible source, as he has organized harassment against people before. That's why he is banned from Twitter. He also named a trans student in a university speech in order to direct right-wing students to send death threats that way. When you support people like this, it's no longer just a free speech issue.

For once while i will not defend idiots many of them also do it to trigger people. Like when people say strong female character, sexist racist etc. These words have become a meme on Twitch and co because of it. The more you fight against them in such a ridiculous way the more they will use it to make you even more upset. That is how trolls are.

And for Milo. I am not talking about that Milo....

I am talking about this Milo



And for the other Milo. IT is totally normal to name the people you are against. What did you think Milo got? Deaththreats? Yeah. They even send nice presents as a drug needle to his house. And in NO form he has encouraged people to threaten this person. I think Milo is an asshole but the people fighting against him in such a vile manner are the same. In Germany he even got articles markinghim as the victim after berkley. That is how crazy the other side has become.

 

[SatansReverence]

Nobody was asking to give preferential treatment. Just respect minority groups like you would anyone else. An "attack helicopter" joke goes against that.

Considering how fucking ridiculous "transgender" has become, it most certainly deserves ridicule in the form of me identifying as a fucking Apache Gunship. Who are you to say otherwise? We have people marrying train stations, saying they're cats born in a human body and late 50s men are identifying as 6 year old girls. Everyone one who said you need to stop before it goes too far, was right.

Seriously, if someone says they identify as an Eurofighter Typhoon, who are you or indeed anyone to question it? You have to be accepting of it, you have to support it. Anything else is pure hypocrisy.

Yes, it is a completely absurd argument, but when faced with the irrationality of the SJWs, it takes the same level of stupidity to shine a light on the ridiculousness.

Milo is a terrible source, as he has organized harassment against people before. That's why he is banned from Twitter. He also named a trans student in a university speech in order to direct right-wing students to send death threats that way. When you support people like this, it's no longer just a free speech issue.

Sources?

And it's pretty ironic when the left witch hunt and attempt to ruin the lives of anyone they think isn't left of chairman mao.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

For once while i will not defend idiots many of them also do it to trigger people. Like when people say strong female character, sexist racist etc. These words have become a meme on Twitch and co because of it. The more you fight against them in such a ridiculous way the more they will use it to make you even more upset. That is how trolls are.

Now that we're talking about trolls, isn't the Subnautica developer one? He's doing the same thing trolls do. Therefore he got fired.

And for Milo. I am not talking about that Milo....

I am talking about this Milo

Sorry, didn't pay attention - too many Milos out there.

The "76 genders" thing seems like a case of a ridiculous extreme that even left-wingers would mock. I would call myself an SJW any day, but would dismiss that shit in an instant. These "millions of genders" people do not have political representation in any way and they never will. The alt-right neo-Nazis do (Trump, and most of the American police forces). That's why the right wing and right-wing trolling is seen as a more serious threat.

And it's pretty ironic when the left witch hunt and attempt to ruin the lives of anyone they think isn't left of chairman mao.

Nobody is witch hunting the right wing. Only people like Milo Y. and alt-righters who are ruining people's lives.

 

[Dunki]

Now that we're talking about trolls, isn't the Subnautica developer one? He's doing the same thing trolls do. Therefore he got fired.


Sorry, didn't pay attention - too many Milos out there.

The "76 genders" thing seems like a case of a ridiculous extreme that even left-wingers would mock. I would call myself an SJW any day, but would dismiss that shit in an instant. These "millions of genders" people do not have political representation in any way and they never will. The alt-right neo-Nazis do (Trump, and most of the American police forces). That's why the right wing and right-wing trolling is seen as a more serious threat.


Nobody is witch hunting the right wing. Only people like Milo Y. and alt-righters who are ruining people's lives.

Of first of all I do not know this subnautica developer but if he grew up and goes to 4chan and go its quite possible. Many developer are nerds so they hang up in these kind of places as well. Secondly It was not Even pretty nown feminists I think even Anita S mentioned this shit sometime when this video came out. Its been a while so. And Personally I see both extremes as very dangerous. However the extreme left is too me personally more dangerous since they become more and more authoritarian and actually try to justify violence and the same tactics including death and rape threats with being on the right side of history.

When we talk about right wings like Milo. They do not want to destory other peoples live for their opinion they just ridicule them. What social media then does is a complete different thing. No matter who you are the moment you have tons of followers you and you attack a person. These followers will go after that person in a very vile way. As I said before Social MEdia has become the cancer of our society. It is not anymore the voice of the voiceless but the voice of lynch mobs destroying everything they do not agree with.

As for Witch hunts: Latest example was Nolan Bushnell. Another example would be this guy. So yes they go on witch hunts as much as the right does. Only difference. When the right it does the other ones are the victims by the press when the left it does they are heros by "journalistic" media.

Also there is some small group called Antifa people celebrating for uusiing criminal way and violence against the people they do not agree with. Antifa is not your friend at all. But I think this goes way more offtopic now...
I just think that the attack helicopter meme has its reasons and when this developer grew up in these areas I can understand using these kind of jokes. Even trans people do.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

When we talk about right wings like Milo. They do not want to destory other peoples live for their opinion they just ridicule them. What social media then does is a complete different thing. No matter who you are the moment you have tons of followers you and you attack a person. These followers will go after that person in a very vile way. As I said before Social MEdia has become the cancer of our society. It is not anymore the voice of the voiceless but the voice of lynch mobs destroying everything they do not agree with.

The alt-right organizes in places like /pol/ where they coordinate harassment attacks against left-wing targets.

Here's Milo Y. specifically naming a target to ridicule and attack during a speech (start at 1:30). Also notice the right-wingers in the video's comments actually supporting this.


The constant barrage of death threats that followed this event forced the student to stop studying, as the school could not give protection and is allowing speeches like this to happen in the first place. This is what people like you actively do to silence left-wing voices.

As for your shirt example (I remember shirtstorm), the guy apologized and didn't lose his job. Some people just criticized his shirt and that's it. You can criticize choices of clothing, wouldn't it be a free speech violation to prevent people from doing so?

 

[PtM]

Agreed, anything else than diversity of thought would imply that people of the same ethnicity would ALL be identical. People that share the same skin color, culture, ethnicity or sexuality, are not some kind of homogeneous blob. We are not the Borg and I find it borderline discriminatory to imply such thing.

Different groups have different experiences and therefore are poised to develop different views. Easy.

Yes, it is a completely absurd argument, but when faced with the irrationality of the SJWs, it takes the same level of stupidity to shine a light on the ridiculousness.

Except it's not the same level.

You're using extreme cases as a reason to disregard the more prevalent forms of disconnected identity. Get a grip.

 

[Dunki]

The alt-right organizes in places like /pol/ where they coordinate harassment attacks against left-wing targets.

Here's Milo Y. specifically naming a target to ridicule and attack during a speech (start at 1:30). Also notice the right-wingers in the video's comments actually supporting this.


The constant barrage of death threats that followed this event forced the student to stop studying, as the school could not give protection and is allowing speeches like this to happen in the first place. This is what people like you actively do to silence left-wing voices.

As for your shirt example (I remember shirtstorm), the guy apologized and didn't lose his job. Some people just criticized his shirt and that's it. You can criticize choices of clothing, wouldn't it be a free speech violation to prevent people from doing so?

He was barraged with threats and insults that he had to apologize under tears. How can you even justify this. He should not even had to apologize for a shirt he was wearing. Which by the way was made by his best female friend which he wanted her to share this best moment of his fucking life that people totally ruined. He was bulied into an apology. Also just like Milo named the student they named taylor as well.

And for the Milo video. Again he used he rather famous person on the campus which made it in the news to give an example. HE NEVER said to attack her in any way. And I will say it again. Right wings or people the left does not like are getting the same amount of death threats. For example Totalbiscuit what do you think he gets on a day to day basis especially after they found out he had serious level of cancer and will probably soon die?

And I will say it very clearly. UNIVERSITIES ARE NOT YOUR HOME OR SAFE SPACE. Especially universities are a places wher you should be challenged on your views and opinions. It is not a place to keep cuddeling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html

Last fall, the president of Smith College, Kathleen McCartney, apologized for causing students and faculty to be “hurt” when she failed to object to a racial epithet uttered by a fellow panel member at an alumnae event in New York. The offender was the free-speech advocate Wendy Kaminer, who had been arguing against the use of the euphemism “the n-word” when teaching American history or “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.” In the uproar that followed, the Student Government Association wrote a letter declaring that “if Smith is unsafe for one student, it is unsafe for all students.”

“It’s amazing to me that they can’t distinguish between racist speech and speech about racist speech, between racism and discussions of racism,” Ms. Kaminer said in an email.

Another example would be Weinstein and his family which were litterally stalked and hunted with violent intentions by your so called left wing people. Milo has as much right to speak if he was invited than some feminist bloogler like Anita S. has to speak. Le Penn has as much right to speak on a campus as a Clinton has.

And one adivce by "silencing" these people in such ways you will make them the victims and if they are smart like Milo they will totally use it against you. Milo has only become so big because the Left made him so big. If there was no pedophile scandal he could have become a real high ranking poltician IMO.

 

[SatansReverence]

Except it's not the same level.

You're using extreme cases as a reason to disregard the more prevalent forms of disconnected identity. Get a grip.

Nice projection there, does it come in Mens?

If the line was drawn and boy who thinks he's a girl and vice versa, everything else rightfully being called a mental condition requiring treatment it would be fine. (granted there is evidence to suggest that line is already going to far but that is a different topic.) But no, it was widely taken to absolutely absurd places and is rightfully being ridiculed.

The alt-right organizes in places like /pol/ where they coordinate harassment attacks against left-wing targets.

I wonder where the alt left congregate to organise harrasment attacks on supposed right wing targets

Here's Milo Y. specifically naming a target to ridicule and attack during a speech (start at 1:30). Also notice the right-wingers in the video's comments actually supporting this.

Am I missing something? At no where does he incite, call for or condone mass harresment of that student.

The constant barrage of death threats that followed this event forced the student to stop studying, as the school could not give protection and is allowing speeches like this to happen in the first place. This is what people like you actively do to silence left-wing voices.

The irony...

inb4 "whataboutism" the new left wing catch all but hilariously meaningless defence for their own fascist nature.

And I will say it very clearly. UNIVERSITIES ARE NOT YOUR HOME OR SAFE SPACE. Especially universities are a places wher you should be challenged on your views and opinions. It is not a place to keep cuddeling.

Fucking preach that shit. Safe spaces are a literal cancer on society as are echo chambers.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

Nice projection there, does it come in Mens?

If the line was drawn and boy who thinks he's a girl and vice versa, everything else rightfully being called a mental condition requiring treatment it would be fine. (granted there is evidence to suggest that line is already going to far but that is a different topic.) But no, it was widely taken to absolutely absurd places and is rightfully being ridiculed.

Gender reassignment is the treatment that is in place for gender dysphoria. Right-wingers are the ones mocking those who do it. So right-wingers are the ones to blame here.

Mocking those who say "a million genders" is one thing. But as this thread is about the Subnautica guy, he's the one who used the helicopter insult against the concept of transgender people.

I wonder where the alt left congregate to organise harrasment attacks on supposed right wing targets

There is no such thing as the alt left. Donald Trump made up that term. There is no "alt left congregation place" either, there's just people opposing extremists.

Am I missing something? At no where does he incite, call for or condone mass harresment of that student.

Milo knows who his followers are. He doesn't have to tell them what to do, they know it.

 

[Big4reel]

I have a feeling he only got fired because he was a conservative, I remember people in the left saying the texas hurricane was karma for republicans and most of them didn`t get much backlash or was ignored.

That being said I don`t really think those tweets were smart but was it really worth firing him? Wasn`t he pretty talented?

 

[SatansReverence]

Gender reassignment is the treatment that is in place for gender dysphoria. Right-wingers are the ones mocking those who do it. So right-wingers are the ones to blame here.

Ok? I usually see "right wingers" agree that transgender people are suffering from a severe mental illness. No consensus on the best way to treat though most don't mind sex changes. Don't see much if anyone dismissing their existence entirely or mocking them.

Mocking those who say "a million genders" is one thing. But as this thread is about the Subnautica guy, he's the one who used the helicopter insult against the concept of transgender people.

Ok? Because the "helicopter insult" was created and always aimed at the wider issue that I pointed out, not the basic long standing boy/girl and vice versa transgender issue.

There is no such thing as the alt left. Donald Trump made up that term. There is no "alt left congregation place" either, there's just people opposing extremists.

Yea, ok, sure, great argument.

Anyone who can think critically for more than 1.7 seconds will know there is a vast chasm between left leaning people and what gets called the alt-left and they get hated just as much as the alt-right do by normal right leaning folks.

Milo knows who his followers are. He doesn't have to tell them what to do, they know it.

So Cathy Newman should be banned from twitter for all her followers that attacked Jordan Peterson after that train wreck of a debate? She knowingly twisted the story to play the victim card afterwards leading to abhorrent messages sent to J.P.

OMG More "WHATABOUTISMS!!!?!??!?!!?!??!"

 

[gunslikewhoa]

nvm

just realized the video was already posted

 

[Hamster Plugin]

Ok? I usually see "right wingers" agree that transgender people are suffering from a severe mental illness. No consensus on the best way to treat though most don't mind sex changes. Don't see much if anyone dismissing their existence entirely or mocking them.

Ok? Because the "helicopter insult" was created and always aimed at the wider issue that I pointed out, not the basic long standing boy/girl and vice versa transgender issue.

Maybe /pol/ ruined your meme then. There's way too many people targeted by this attack helicopter shit now, thanks to the militant right at /pol/, The_Donald and other right wing echo chambers. At least you're not dehumanizing trans people (sort of the point of the Apache Attack Helicopter meme) which I like to hear.

So Cathy Newman should be banned from twitter for all her followers that attacked Jordan Peterson after that train wreck of a debate? She knowingly twisted the story to play the victim card afterwards leading to abhorrent messages sent to J.P.

OMG More "WHATABOUTISMS!!!?!??!?!!?!??!"

That was a debate that both people willingly participated in. Newman was not a good debater, there's better people to represent the left. Petersen isn't the only one receiving shit though, Newman also received shitty messages.

Meanwhile, Milo said his shit completely unprovoked, directing the right-wing students to attack the target.

And your last sentence makes me think you're trolling now.

 

[Dunki]

Milo knows who his followers are. He doesn't have to tell them what to do, they know it.

Many people seem to know what twitter is best for. And to Milos defense he never worded it like that in any form. But one is accepted one is not. I am sorry but I can not justify this. As I said the moment you have a decent amount of follower you retweet somthing you do not like the moment people will go after this person if you want it or not. Also one of these people where suspende it was not Leslie

 

[Hamster Plugin]

Many people seem to know what twitter is best for. And to Milos defense he never worded it like that in any form. But one is accepted one is not. I am sorry but I can not justify this. As I said the moment you have a decent amount of follower you retweet somthing you do not like the moment people will go after this person if you want it or not. Also one of these people where suspende it was not Leslie

Twitter is a cesspool of garbage. On the left-wing side we had @OmniDestiny suspended for some reason, apparently due to alt-right mass reporting. They're not very good at enforcing rules consistently.

I agree that tweet should be removed though.

 

[RipperGrim]

People want freedom of speech but don't want the consequences that come from it. A company is well within their legal right for firing somebody for something like that. I mean, as a business do you want to be tied to someone like that?

Yep, people seem to not grasp the concept of Freedom of Speech. It's not a get out of jail free card to say whatever you want with no consequences.

 

[Dunki]

Twitter is a cesspool of garbage. On the left-wing side we had @OmniDestiny suspended for some reason, apparently due to alt-right mass reporting. They're not very good at enforcing rules consistently.

I agree that tweet should be removed though.

Of course they are not but they are far in favor of left wing people which again is not right. Especially when we are talking about verrified accounts these days.
There are tons of examples in which it was stupid to seuspend people and where it was ridiculous to let these accounts alive. Like the teenvogeue journalists who suggested to every women if they had a white boy to abort it etc. A company liek twitter needs to stop using sides. And twitter is far more than a company it is a huge social element these days which should not be censored. They even use shadowbannings which should be ilegal in the first palce.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Yep, people seem to not grasp the concept of Freedom of Speech. It's not a get out of jail free card to say whatever you want with no consequences.

When you can't make a silly joke that causes no physical harm on anyone without losing your livelihood because a trash mob on the internet will find you and will witch hunt you, then you don't have freedom of speech. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, you're free to speak your mind unless you speak something we deem unacceptable? That's freedom?

 

[Hamster Plugin]

When you can't make a silly joke that causes no physical harm on anyone without losing your livelihood because a trash mob on the internet will find you and will witch hunt you, then you don't have freedom of speech. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, you're free to speak your mind unless you speak something we deem unacceptable? That's freedom?

The next day you're at work, go insult your boss.

You won't be able to say "but I was just using my free speech" when they fire you for being a jerk.

 

[Dunki]

The next day you're at work, go insult your boss.

You won't be able to say "but I was just using my free speech" when they fire you for being a jerk.

It was a "joke" tweet on the internet not some political hate speech filled convention.

 

[Lionel Richie]

The next day you're at work, go insult your boss.

You won't be able to say "but I was just using my free speech" when they fire you for being a jerk.

His tweets were unrelated to his work or his ability to perform it or even his understanding of basic hierarchy. I love examples like this, it's like people are saying "nobody should die on a car accident" and then someone says "then why do people die on an airplane as well?". It's vaguely related, but it takes a different situation and extrapolates it to shoehorn it into the first situation.

 

[RipperGrim]

When you can't make a silly joke that causes no physical harm on anyone without losing your livelihood because a trash mob on the internet will find you and will witch hunt you, then you don't have freedom of speech. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, you're free to speak your mind unless you speak something we deem unacceptable? That's freedom?

Lol "silly joke" what a bunch of bullshit. Insults are insults and I have no clue why people think backlash shouldn't happen. Especially when all the "trash mob" is doing is using their freedom of speech to react to what is said.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Lol "silly joke" what a bunch of bullshit. Insults are insults and I have no clue why people think backlash shouldn't happen. Especially when all the "trash mob" is doing is using their freedom of speech to react to what is said.

You see it as an insult, I see it as a joke. Funny how perspective works, isn't it? Listen, there's no doubt his tweets were a bit insensitive given the current climate, what you weirdly seem to be unable to understand is that people are free to call him out on it. Not to dox him and make him lose his job. When you witch hunt people for something they said, this is not a "reaction" and you don't fucking have freedom of speech. It's like I disagree with you and instead of trying to convince you I'd just punch you senseless. I'm using my freedom of speech (body language is a language, right?) to react to what is said, right?

 

[Sàmban]

Oh geez, that's fuckawful.
Its been years since i actually paid much attention to who the singers are for the songs i like, and things like this is why i started avoiding even music videos.
Of course, it's almost impossible to avoid it completely because of how it's promoted, but here's me just learning about this even though i've had that song for about a year already... and i still don't knwo what he's singing about.
Thanks for tainting my enjoyment of that awesome song.

But yeah, I'm not going to boycott this band or the record label just because of what he did. What the hell is the point of attacking them when they're not even accomplices or accessories? It's about as dumb as boycotting ChikfilA or getting insulted for eating there, even when i disagree with murder or giving money to antigay stuff. even with horrible people like Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, people who feel they're above the law, it's hard to justify a boycott for their work. Much easier and better to keep seeking justice for their victims by spreading the word about their guilt.


Ever heard of tolerance?
If a guy can hate certain people but keeps his mouth shut and treat them fairly, would he be a bad person? Actions speak louder than words.
I've known some really racist as fuck people, like only speaking shit in private, but damn if he wasn't all sunshine to everyone in public. It's usually just strawmen that they hate, not the actual everyday people they meet. It's kinda like knowing a guy with a murder-fantasy, but he never actually does anything. You keep your eye on them, just in case.

My take on this is that you keep this shit to yourself and you treat everyone you work with as an equal. The minute this shit comes out, you are a liability and you deserve to be fired. Anything that you say or do that can affect your working conditions is fair game. As an employer, why the fuck should I keep you around for "muh free speeech" because you're too stupid to keep your backwards comments to yourself?

I know people that have some questionable views about gay/trans people but it doesn't affect their working conditions because they work with gay/trans people and are smart enough to at least keep that shit to themselves. Obviously, the best thing is to not have those views in the first place but if you are going to be a bigoted fuck then at least keep it off social media for fuck's sake.

Getting fired for saying racist/sexist shit is not an assault on your freedom of speech. Shut the fuck up. Freedom of speech protects the government from taking action against you, not individuals. You have every right to say hateful shit. Other individuals have every right to take action against your hateful shit. Firing you is one of them.

You see it as an insult, I see it as a joke. Funny how perspective works, isn't it? Listen, there's no doubt his tweets were a bit insensitive given the current climate, what you weirdly seem to be unable to understand is that people are free to call him out on it. Not to dox him and make him lose his job. When you witch hunt people for something they said, this is not a "reaction" and you don't fucking have freedom of speech. It's like I disagree with you and instead of trying to convince you I'd just punch you senseless. I'm using my freedom of speech (body language is a language, right?) to react to what is said, right?

lol "a joke"..." a bit insensitive"

Forget the social aspect of it. This motherfucker was saying things directly related to his product!
The company is free to fire him or retain him based on what he said. In this case, they choose to fire him. It is their right. Whether you think this is fair or not does not fucking matter. You want to keep your job? Stop posting racist/sexist shit on social media where everyone can see it. It literally carries the same weight as saying that shit at work: everyone has access to social media and you probably work/do business with the very people that you are hating on. This. Affects. Business. I mean, how in the fuck is this not common sense in 2018? Stop posting dumb shit on social media. The end.

 

[RipperGrim]

You see it as an insult, I see it as a joke. Funny how perspective works, isn't it? Listen, there's no doubt his tweets were a bit insensitive given the current climate, what you weirdly seem to be unable to understand is that people are free to call him out on it. Not to dox him and make him lose his job. When you witch hunt people for something they said, this is not a "reaction" and you don't fucking have freedom of speech. It's like I disagree with you and instead of trying to convince you I'd just punch you senseless. I'm using my freedom of speech (body language is a language, right?) to react to what is said, right?

Dude "It was just a joke" argument is preschool level defences of doing something shitty. What he said was on a public platform and it was also directly linked to his job and he expected no blow back at all from anyone? The only reason why he would say the shit he said was to intentionally rile up others and we are the stage now where we all know that what we say on public apps like twitter will get the attention of your employees so there's no excuse to not to be professional and again his tweets were directly involving the game and therefore his employers and if nothing was done then it would give the appearance of them being fine with those views as a company.People are tired of ass hats being sexists and racists on twitter and putting their hands going "But what did I do wrong?". We live in a time where we know better and there's frankly no excuses anymore. If you want to make a sexist joke how about not making it on a platform that is viewed by billions.

Your example with the physical violence is nonsensical by the way.

 

[Dunki]

My take on this is that you keep this shit to yourself and you treat everyone you work with as an equal. The minute this shit comes out, you are a liability and you deserve to be fired. Anything that you say or do that can affect your working conditions is fair game. As an employer, why the fuck should I keep you around for "muh free speeech" because you're too stupid to keep your backwards comments to yourself?

I know people that have some questionable views about gay/trans people but it doesn't affect their working conditions because they work with gay/trans people and are smart enough to at least keep that shit to themselves. Obviously, the best thing is to not have those views in the first place but if you are going to be a bigoted fuck then at least keep it off social media for fuck's sake.

Getting fired for saying racist/sexist shit is not an assault on your freedom of speech. Shut the fuck up. Freedom of speech protects the government from taking action against you, not individuals. You have every right to say hateful shit. Other individuals have every right to take action against your hateful shit. Firing you is one of them.



lol "a joke"..." a bit insensitive"

The company is free to fire him or retain him based on what he said. In this case, they choose to fire him. It is their right. Whether you think this is fair or not does not fucking matter. You want to keep your job? Stop posting racist/sexist shit on social media where everyone can see it. It literally carries the same weight as saying that shit at work: everyone has access to social media and you probably work/do business with the very people that you are hating on. This. Affects. Business. I mean, how in the fuck is this not common sense in 2018? Stop posting dumb shit on social media. The end.

These people are still verrified and have their job as a journalists of teenvogue. Even after some shitstorm and her deleting the tweets because after defending this the got again barraged with people criticizing her.

This is the hypocrisy I am against.