Drug bans don't stop drugs because drugs, more often than not, cause dependencies/addictions to the point people actively seek them out in order to get their fix in. Guns are pieces of metal that don't cause these things outright.
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Florida school shooting: Students to march on Washington
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A march could never garner the visibility, nor would it have the staying power of a country-wide strike that paralyzes the education system. I think you're off on this.
JordanN
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The original plan for Columbine was to set off a propane bomb in the cafeteria powerful enough to cause the upstairs Library to collapse. Had that succeeded, Eric and Dylan were just going to remain outside the school and start shooting at the survivors. It was only after the bomb failed they changed plans and went inside to cause a massacre.
It's not a gun problem. It's a "I'm mentally unsound and ready to take the world out with me" problem. I don't think responsible gun owners should suffer for the criminals who tarnish their name.
It's not a gun problem. It's a "I'm mentally unsound and ready to take the world out with me" problem. I don't think responsible gun owners should suffer for the criminals who tarnish their name.
Musky_Cheese
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Ok.
Selling your ass is not legal. You think you can’t go buy some pussy?
Look through history. Bans on items once legal don’t seem to work. In fact, I can’t think of bans on anything other than slavery ever working. Never mind the fact that it would be unconstitutional.
Zog
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I didn't take offense, you told us not to point the blame and then you did.
Zog
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Taking away guns would violate a constitutional amendment. So I guess you could define that as tyrannical.
TrainedRage
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When you cant get anything done...... Take a day off school, walk around, shout and hold signs! Surly that will change things!
Zog
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Do strikes work better than protests?
KevinKeene
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KevinKeene
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That would honestly the best, most powerful way to bring change. All American children boycott the school system until guns are banned.
Would be such a positive, inspiring moment for the history books.
Although Trump would probably just install a new school system where children are treated like prisoners and forced to attend class ...
TrainedRage
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Keep in mind most of them will only be able to vote in 2020, so in the meantime this is the only thing they can do to be heard
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bucyou
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All amendments are protected the same, not sure if you are ignorant of that fact or trying to falsely bait into a different argument...
Musky_Cheese
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Actually in America, parents can be held accountable for children not going to school.
Also since a ban on guns would be unconstitutional, all that would come of this idea is a bunch uneducated children.
TrainedRage
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How would them voting stop school shootings? This is NOT the only way they can be heard. What they should do is work hand in hand with local politicians to bring about local change. Start in the community they live and if there is positive change maybe people will start to follow that example. Proof and action works better than whining and yelling.
Whose to say that they won't?
rokkerkory
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And who is taking the 2nd amendment away? It’s not happening nor is it possible so why are you worried?
Zog
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I have already answered this, the purpose of the second amendment is to protect the citizens against a tyrannical government.
rokkerkory
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TrainedRage
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They could have easily done what I proposed with all the empathy and national/worldwide attention on them. Instead they turn to the classic "lets hit the streets and hold signs" approach which I feel will only make people more divisive and wont actually accomplish anything. Maybe they will work to actually change things, that would be great. This isn't the way to do it IMO.
Zog
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There are many sides, whoever you think is paying off politicians is also representing a side.
KevinKeene
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But we have Superman to protect us in case Lex Luthor takes over the white house. And Batman would surely give some advice, too.
I'm sorry, but that's how serious I can take someone who is afraid of a 'tyrannical' government in the USA. How would that even play out? Why would the military fight their own families?
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Huh? A march includes a strike. Isn't part of the point of the march that they're missing school to be present?
Maybe we're talking about separate plans. I've seen plans for widespread "sit-ins" where the students and teachers will arrive at school, and then at 10:00 AM leave the building and sit outside peacefully protesting.
I've also read about plans for a march involving students and teachers. The march would take place during normal school hours.
Many of the suggestions for gun reform don't require responsible gun owners to "suffer". Maybe a mild inconvenience at worst, but most gun owners agree that it's worth it:
https://www.npr.org/2017/06/22/533792054/americans-agree-on-some-gun-restrictions-pew-survey-finds
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...un-owners-support-universal-background-checks
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...78a98956699_story.html?utm_term=.7070ed6f05dc
http://www.guns.com/2017/06/23/surv...ink-alike-when-it-comes-to-background-checks/
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Zog
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Do you think the second amendment should be repealed?
Vicetrailia
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It is never the time to protest, right. NEVER protest.
They are protesting and they are doing local things involving the police, government, education system and more. Doing both things and more given this opportunity is a no brainer.
KevinKeene
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rokkerkory
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Wunray
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I want to ask a legit question here. Why are armed security guards not allowed on the outer perimeter of middle to high schools? I know that the problem goes deeper than just that but why not? On another note I also think that this is a nice idea and I hope no one with unsavory intentions tries to ruin it.
Zog
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Lobbying should be illegal.
Phoenix RISING
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Godspeed to the children for doing what adults don't.
Zog
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So this part: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed should be changed?
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Zog
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I thought I knew it all as a kid too. I didn't.
pramod
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It's just strange to me that out of all the violent gun crimes in this country...police shootings, road rage, robberies, gang violence, murder, terrorism, etc....school shootings is the only one where the first reaction is "ban guns". It's never about figuring out the why or the other causes. I wonder why that is? I tried to think of an answer myself and can't come up with a good one. Maybe because it's such big news and easily politicized?
I remember after the San Bernadino attack where they shot up an office with AR-15s....I never heard a single media person or politician asking for banning of AR-15s.
I remember after the San Bernadino attack where they shot up an office with AR-15s....I never heard a single media person or politician asking for banning of AR-15s.
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Super Mario
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Are rifles still the biggest problem? Or are they the most politically targeted?
Vicetrailia
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They talk about it all of the time, it's just these big cases where completely innocently victims are suddenly gunned down that people actually have some empathy for. Russian Roulette. Whose next? It's someone, possibly your innocent little kid.
Gang violence and criminals are very frequent, and illicit less empathy. We need empathy to get some more regulations. We just can't problem solve, that's for local governments.
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Zog
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It's funny that people who are anti-police want to take guns away from the public but not the police.
Musky_Cheese
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The USA was a country that put a dude on the moon. It’s now the country that can’t pass a budget with risk of shutdown.
Are rifles still the biggest problem? Or are they the most politically targeted?
Tackling mental health, race issues, hunger... beyond the ability of the country. Beyond our ability to attempt it.
pramod
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What's frustrating is that mass school shootings is an easily preventable crime. Like I already mentioned, why can't we put armed guards in schools? Put 10 guards in every school if we have to. Sure it's going to make some leftists uncomfortable, as if having people carrying weapons around is worse than the fact that these weapons already exist everywhere. Instead they want a new huge costly intrusive government bureaucracy to monitor and judge who can and cannot own guns. Just allow armed guards in schools and metal detectors in every school entrance. If I'm a parent I can choose whether I want to send my kid to a school that has this type of security vs one that doesn't, and I live with the consequences.
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Spheyr
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My high school had a Sheriff's deputy assigned to us, it wasn't a dangerous area, in fact it was called the "Country Club on the Hill" by surrounding school districts. He was in full kit all day (Which for our area at the time was little more than his uniform and duty belt, no vest on all the time but he had one handy enough), had his own office, did hallway patrols, etc. Everyone knew him, he was a great guy, daughter was a grade below me, etc., so he was really part of the community.
I think that's an ideal sort of situation for school security, and would be a good place to increase the local budgeting for. It would be a good way to alleviate the worries of a lot of people on both sides of the aisle.
I think that's an ideal sort of situation for school security, and would be a good place to increase the local budgeting for. It would be a good way to alleviate the worries of a lot of people on both sides of the aisle.
As someone outside looking in, it baffles me that this is a choice you'd like to make.
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Who pays for these armed guards? Schools can barely get enough funding to cover basic school supplies, even in affluent areas. You think people will vote to raise taxes to station armed guards in their schools?
What are the rules of engagement for the guards? Do they wait until they hear gunfire, or just until they see someone holding a gun and threatening to use it? What if there's a fight that breaks out between 2 students? What if there's a knife involved?
How do we even know they'll help reduce mass shootings? Armed guards were present on VT's campus, at Columbine, at Pulse nightclub, at Fort Hood and in Florida at this most recent shooting.
We already have a system for doing this, we wouldn't be setting something up from scratch. Just proposals to make adjustments to what we look at and screen for.
People very rarely just get to choose which public school their children can go to. Packing up and moving to a new district is not a viable solution for most people.
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LordRaptor
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That amendment has a qualifying statement right after the comma.
Right to bear arms comma as part of a well regulated militia, not unqualified right to bear arms.
It is the difference in saying "you have the legal right to kill someone comma as self defence in a situation where you feel your life is in imminent danger without doing so"
It is not unqualified or a carte blanche.
Does it make sense that anyone at any point in history considered the right to own guns is a more essential right than the right to vote, or to raise your children as you want, or to travel unimpeded?
Actually it says
or
depending on which document you go with. the first is the one passed by congress and can possibly be seen as the militia being the key part. the second not so much. the second was on the document ratified by the states. Notice the removal of the first comma. In the second, the militia part is more like an absolute phrase augmenting the right to bear arms sentence.
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KevinKeene
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Sure.
Are rifles still the biggest problem? Or are they the most politically targeted?
BAN HANDS OR FEET!!1
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LordRaptor
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I rephrased it to parse it as a modern reader should, (and as the law interpreted it until very recently due primarily to pressure from the NRA).
It is not talking about how cool militias are then suddenly changing topic to say "oh, btw, everyone should be allowed guns".
It is saying that militias - well regulated at a state level, and free of direct federal control so as to act as a check against a standing federal army - should be free to be armed as a means of state protection.
Its never been about individuals being free to be as tooled up as they want to be
Sorry, it's constitutional, you have the right to bear arms.
rokkerkory
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Nicktendo86
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I've never heard this before, absolutely insane.
Dunedain_Ranger
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This is a good point a child at my sons school was constantly being bullied by a few “cool kids “. My son who is a pretty well rounded kid and friends to everyone one day said that’s enough and the alpha male didn’t like that. My son gave him a black eye for his troubles after the alpha pushed my son for defending the kid. Then my son ... not the bullies ..... was suspended. When I came down to the office and my son explained I confronted the principal and she played the whole well we are going to suspend them both. Are you kidding me ? He stood up for a kid that is constantly being tormented by others. Well we can’t have him causing physical harm to another student ....... I honestly didn’t know what to say at point. Needless to say my son wasn’t in trouble for his actions. All it takes sometimes is one person to stand up for kids being bullied but nowadays this is what happens to the people that do care sorry for rambling