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[Xaero Gravity]

BANGS is good people, I very much doubt he was trying to troll.

So, did the Otogi games or Phantom Dust ever get added to that list of available games?

Phantom Dust was released as a free remaster on XB1.

Neither of the Otogi games are playable yet unfortunately.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

It's kinda telling that anytime Xbox One does something, the Sony fanboys' only response is "but but exclusives". Because that's the only real advantage PS4 has over Xbox at this point.

Perhaps, but isn’t that a really significant advantage though and since these are game consoles at the end of the day, that is the primary advantage you really need?

Backwards compability is really cool and I must commend the engineers for their wizardry, but I really think most people are overestimating the importance of it. The ps one mini is most likely a little side project for Sony where bc is a pretty big focus for Microsoft for the obvious reasons.

 

[93xfan]

Here we go with the console wars. At this rate, I'm going to end up maxing out my ignore list before the year is through lol

Is it not fair though? Sony talked about PS1 and PS2 games running on the PS4 before launch. They have become complacent.

And if people don’t hold them accountable, they will continue to take advantage of their customers.

I own over 100 PS1 classics from PSN, as I thought they would surely be backwards compatible on a PS4. There is literally no reason PS1 classics can’t run on a PS4.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Is it not fair though? Sony talked about PS1 and PS2 games running in the PS4 before launch. They become complacent.

And if people don’t hold them accountable, they will continue to take advantage of their consumers.

I own over 100 PS1 classics from PSN, as I thought they would surely be backwards compatible on a PS4. There is literally no reason PS1 classics can’t run on a PS4.

I agree with this. This needs to happen already, even if it is something I would personally not use often.

 

[jshackles]

I agree with this. This needs to happen already, even if it is something I would personally not use often.

It's honestly too late in the console cycle for them to turn face on this now I think. I imagine they're going to wait until PS3 stuff is removed from the Playstation Store (next year?) and then wait about 6 months for everyone to collectively forget they ever bought any PS1 classics. Then when the PS5 releases, they'll announce that it'll play PS1 games that you can buy digitally from the Playstation Store and give them something like trophy support and upscaling then make you buy them again.

 

[Muffdraul]

Dear Microsoft- Either patch the original sound effects into Halo 1 Anniversary in the MCC, or make the original 2001 Halo 1 available on Xbone via backward compatibility, or fuck off and die and go to hell. Thank you.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's honestly too late in the console cycle for them to turn face on this now I think. I imagine they're going to wait until PS3 stuff is removed from the Playstation Store (next year?) and then wait about 6 months for everyone to collectively forget they ever bought any PS1 classics. Then when the PS5 releases, they'll announce that it'll play PS1 games that you can buy digitally from the Playstation Store and give them something like trophy support and upscaling then make you buy them again.

We'll see.

 

[hiphopcr]

Next gen Sony has to become more feature friendly (not sure they care)
and Microsoft has to make more single player games (which they're equipped to do now)

 

[sensor]

Perhaps, but isn’t that a really significant advantage though and since these are game consoles at the end of the day, that is the primary advantage you really need?

Backwards compability is really cool and I must commend the engineers for their wizardry, but I really think most people are exaggerating the importance of it. The ps one mini is most likely a little side project for Sony where bc is a pretty big focus for Microsoft for the obvious reasons.

Yeah, exclusives are hugely important and the gulf in sales numbers reflect it. Having a consistent stream of good quality exclusive games releasing does a lot to generate goodwill, and Sony really needed it after the PS3. Any attempt to dismiss these exclusive games as 'niche' or overrated is tantamount to pissing in the wind, as games that review well keep the public perception rising and units shifting. When all's said and done, the focus on the past and back compatibility is a distraction from the fact that the Xbox One is a sales failure, and its present and future don't look all that enticing either. They have done good PR work lately and have done well since the disastrous E3 2013 and launch phase, but it's nothing without new interesting games instead of the same old.

Having said that, I'm not interested in a PS1 Classic that doesn't play old discs. I have a big library of physical PS1 games and would like to play them on the Classic, otherwise there's no reason for me to replace my old region modded PS1. However, I think it will sell well as, simply put, the PS1 is one of the best consoles of all time. The classic console model is viable when your consoles have actual heritage and provenance, as Sony and Nintendo's early offerings do.

 

[IncognitoPanda]

Don Mattrick also hasn't been involved with Xbox for 5 years, so...

Man, I miss that guy. The mantrick! M-dog!

I'm pretty sure I'm the first in the world to say that about Mattrick. Even sarcastically, it was hard to type that

 

[Kagero]

AGain people missing the point here. It’s not about software. The allure to these systems is nostalgia.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Just like you I'm HUGE fan of Gravity Rush series but when you post something like this then you just bring unnecessary hate to the game.

so sorry

 

[Valonquar]

Technically you could play both system's games for free on PC already too so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Is it not fair though? Sony talked about PS1 and PS2 games running on the PS4 before launch. They have become complacent.

And if people don’t hold them accountable, they will continue to take advantage of their consumers.

I own over 100 PS1 classics from PSN, as I thought they would surely be backwards compatible on a PS4. There is literally no reason PS1 classics can’t run on a PS4.

I was referring to the inevitable responses here.

 

[Calibos]

Yeah, exclusives are hugely important and the gulf in sales numbers reflect it. Having a consistent stream of good quality exclusive games releasing does a lot to generate goodwill, and Sony really needed it after the PS3. Any attempt to dismiss these exclusive games as 'niche' or overrated is tantamount to pissing in the wind, as games that review well keep the public perception rising and units shifting. When all's said and done, the focus on the past and back compatibility is a distraction from the fact that the Xbox One is a sales failure, and its present and future don't look all that enticing either. They have done good PR work lately and have done well since the disastrous E3 2013 and launch phase, but it's nothing without new interesting games instead of the same old.

Having said that, I'm not interested in a PS1 Classic that doesn't play old discs. I have a big library of physical PS1 games and would like to play them on the Classic, otherwise there's no reason for me to replace my old region modded PS1. However, I think it will sell well as, simply put, the PS1 is one of the best consoles of all time. The classic console model is viable when your consoles have actual heritage and provenance, as Sony and Nintendo's early offerings do.

This type of sentiment is completely false. The real truth is that PS4 is a mega sales success, and for many great reasons. But the Xbox One is anything but a "Sales Failure."


I still wonder if things would have been different had the Xbox One launched with Backwards Compatibility..we will never know, but if MS starts next gen with 3 generations of BC, the great services they have and some shiny new console exclusives from their new acquisitions, things will be much better for them.

 

[BANGS]

This type of sentiment is completely false. The real truth is that PS4 is a mega sales success, and for many great reasons. But the Xbox One is anything but a "Sales Failure."

It's not a sales failure because we're comparing Xbone to PS4, it's a sales failure when you compare Xbone to 360...

 

[sensor]

This type of sentiment is completely false. The real truth is that PS4 is a mega sales success, and for many great reasons. But the Xbox One is anything but a "Sales Failure."


I still wonder if things would have been different had the Xbox One launched with Backwards Compatibility..we will never know, but if MS starts next gen with 3 generations of BC, the great services they have and some shiny new console exclusives from their new acquisitions, things will be much better for them.

BANGS covered it. Going from the 360 which was a pretty big success, Microsoft would undoubtedly see the Xbox One as a missed opportunity to capitalise on that success and push the Xbox brand further. Like Sony did with Crazy Ken and the PS3, I feel like MS got a little arrogant and much of this generation has been spent undoing that. Sales failure might be a bit of a harsh term to use, so forgive my terminology on that one, but it hasn't lived up to the precedent set by the 360.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Do they have an answer for God of War, Detroit, Yakuza Kiwami 2, Dragon Quest XI, and Spider-man?

Note there's no shooters or racers on this...

 

[Calibos]

It's not a sales failure because we're comparing Xbone to PS4, it's a sales failure when you compare Xbone to 360...

BANGS covered it. Going from the 360 which was a pretty big success, Microsoft would undoubtedly see the Xbox One as a missed opportunity to capitalise on that success and push the Xbox brand further. Like Sony did with Crazy Ken and the PS3, I feel like MS got a little arrogant and much of this generation has been spent undoing that. Sales failure might be a bit of a harsh term to use, so forgive my terminology on that one, but it hasn't lived up to the precedent set by the 360.

I'll give a little on that. I think MS needs to un-anchor from the OG One now and the One S soon after. Make the X the base, cheaper model going into next gen. The 360 was a big success riding on the back of some heavy hitting exclusives and services. For what it is, with it's lack of big exclusives(high rated ones at least) and the trainwreck launch it had, I think MS can look at the X1 and feel pretty satisfied that they were able to salvage the sales they have. They can also look at the market and the overall sentiment about their systems and services and feel pretty good that they have earned back at least some of the positivity and mindshare of the some of the gaming populace.

Maybe they should release an Xbox Classic with Brute Force as the headline game for $99...

 

[jadedm17]

We should be praising Xbox for this ability but different companies operate differently and both have pros and cons; PlayStation offered their option for playing older games. Period.

Your games have always worked on the system you bought them for so nothing ever changed.

Entitled gamer nonsense. Xbox is doing better here, PS clearly has the better games this year. They don't owe us anything.

 

[Akuza89]

Do they have an answer for God of War, Detroit, Yakuza Kiwami 2, Dragon Quest XI, and Spider-man?

No they don't but they do have the original battlefront and battlefront 2 and that's good enough.

 

[ArnoldSewerby]

No they don't but they do have the original battlefront and battlefront 2 and that's good enough.

More classic games though, the biggest selling points of the Xbox one are the games I've played on the Xbox and 360

 

[Snake29]

AGain people missing the point here. It’s not about software. The allure to these systems is nostalgia.

Because Xbox fans don't know what Nostalgia means...

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Because Xbox fans don't know what Nostalgia means...

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If you're at a point in your life where you hate the Xbox brand so much that you have to insinuate that it's fanbase are such total morons that they don't know what Nostalgia means, maybe it's time to take a break and go outside for a bit, because I think you've been fighting the good fight a little too long. At ease, little soldier.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Because Xbox fans don't know what Nostalgia means...

Xbox launched 17 years ago. Do you have to cross 20 years before you're "allowed" to be nostalgic for it?

Plus, it's common knowledge that a portion of the disenfranchised SEGA fans went to the Xbox brand.

 

[RScrewed]

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If you're at a point in your life where you hate the Xbox brand so much that you have to insinuate that it's fanbase are such total morons that they don't know what Nostalgia means, maybe it's time to take a break and go outside for a bit, because I think you've been fighting the good fight a little too long. At ease, little soldier.

I think he was being sarcastic...

 

[Xaero Gravity]

I think he was being sarcastic...

Based on his history here, I don't think so.

 

[CloudStrife_ca]

I also feel like the Original Xbox mini (if one was available) scaled down, might be the size of a PS2.

 

[Hendrick's]

Do they have an answer for God of War, Detroit, Yakuza Kiwami 2, Dragon Quest XI, and Spider-man?

They don't need to have an answer for Detroit, Yakuza, and probably even DQ, those are niche games at best in the market they are catering to.

 

[hecatomb]

They don't need to have an answer for Detroit, Yakuza, and probably even DQ, those are niche games at best in the market they are catering to.

Everyone likes dragon quest 11 though. So I wouldn't call it niche. And its one of the reasons why I never bought a xbox console, they tend to go for FPS games, racing games, and sports games, which I could care less about. They lack good jrpgs, and platformers like jak and daxter, or games like sly cooper.

 

[The_Mike]

Here is a classic: Sony pushing a new idea, releasing a more powerful version of their console, and Microsoft putting a me-too product

Sony invented

Come on, he is obviously trolling. You said you'd ignore people. This is the kind of stuff that can be safely ignored.

Ignoring people he doesn’t agree with.

 

[The_Mike]

Next gen Sony has to become more feature friendly (not sure they care)
and Microsoft has to make more single player games (which they're equipped to do now)

They have come this far without being feature friendly, and it haven’t killed any sales yet.
Second is subjective though, I prefer online gaming so more of that please.

 

[cryptoadam]

BANGS covered it. Going from the 360 which was a pretty big success, Microsoft would undoubtedly see the Xbox One as a missed opportunity to capitalise on that success and push the Xbox brand further. Like Sony did with Crazy Ken and the PS3, I feel like MS got a little arrogant and much of this generation has been spent undoing that. Sales failure might be a bit of a harsh term to use, so forgive my terminology on that one, but it hasn't lived up to the precedent set by the 360.

100% overconfident. The DRM issues, the forceing of kinetic, being more expensive than a PS4 but less powerful. They let the 360 go to their heads. But it happens. Nintendo did the same thing after SNES, and Sony with PS3 and get 2 jobs LOL.

Things have swung the other way and MS has become pretty pro their consumers while Sony is the one with the iron fist. MS is ok with crossplay, EA access, Gamepass, BC, etc...

But MS will have a tough time next gen. Sony still has the exclusives, Japan and Europe.

 

[Kururu]

It looks like the console warring has died down so let's keep it that way. You can be critical and such, just please don't attack our friend Xbox, PlayStation or Jaguar friends personally.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

It looks like the console warring has died down so let's keep it that way. You can be critical and such, just please don't attack our friend Xbox, PlayStation or Jaguar friends personally.

Finally! Someone appreciates us.

 

[Hendrick's]

Everyone likes dragon quest 11 though. So I wouldn't call it niche.

Everyone likes Spiderman, Japan likes DQ. Let's see how it charts on NPD, but I have a feeling it didn't sell well.

 

[hecatomb]

Everyone likes Spiderman, Japan likes DQ. Let's see how it charts on NPD, but I have a feeling it didn't sell well.

pretty sure dragon quest 11 is selling fine. There hasn't been any good rpgs lately.

 

[Danjin44]

pretty sure dragon quest 11 is selling fine. There hasn't been any good rpgs lately.

I would say Octopath is a damn fantastic RPG and it sold pretty well. But I hope DQXI sell well, it also great RPG. No to mention Torna the Golden Country is great so far and we have Valkyria Chronicles 4 to look forward.

 

[hecatomb]

I would say Octopath is a damn fantastic RPG and it sold pretty well. But I hope DQXI sell well, it also great RPG. No to mention Torna the Golden Country is great so far and we have Valkyria Chronicles 4 to look forward.

DQ11 is going to out sell it though, cause its also on PC.

 

[Danjin44]

DQ11 is going to out sell it though, cause its also on PC.

Yeah it could and I hope it does.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Man, I really hope DQ 11 breaks through and finally lets the DQ series achieve mainstream popularity in North America.

 

[Deleted member 738976]

I sure would want an actual Xbox Classic with Xbox Live support to bring back multiplayer.

Halo 1
Halo 2
Crimson Skies
Fable
Conker Live & Reloaded
Forza Motorsport
Project Gotham Racing 2
Mech Assault

Panzer Dragoon Orta
Jet Set Radio Future
Dead or Alive 3
Ninja Gaiden Black
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic
Splinter Cell (any)
The Elder Scrolls III
Jade Empire

Well you get the idea.

 

[zackmorris]

Im not a fan of these mini consoles personally, but I get why they exist and so does microsoft. Its not just about ability to play those games and they know that. Throw shade where ever you can I guess, but I guarantee in a few years when tech advances and the mini OG xbox comes out this tweet will be quoted.

 

[Clear]

I thought it was interesting that in this month's NPD video, it was revealed that the One X was the best-selling Xbox SKU for the month. Now on the face of it this seems like a win, but honestly it suggests to me that the whole brand might be in a bit of trouble.

First of all, who buys the most expensive console SKU on the market during one of the slowest months of the year? To me that screams existing customers looking to upgrade, its not the behaviour of a mass-market buyer. Secondly it was revealed that in terms of dollar sales, all 3 platform vendors were within 3% of each other; which again seems like a good result except that the One X is so much more expensive than its competition, meaning that in terms of units shifted its volume must be correspondingly lower.

These factors combined strikes me as indicative of the Xbox ecosystem growing far more slowly than its competitors, with revenue being propped up by high spending consumers many of whom are likely pre-existing owners of Xbox systems. This being in far and away MS' strongest market historically speaking, also makes me wonder how the situation is internationally...

Bearing this in mind, MS jab against this low-price, casual orientated micro-console by Sony comes across as somewhat empty.

 

[Deleted member 738976]

comes across as somewhat empty.

Deserved to be honest. I can understand PS3 games not being backwards compatible but at the very least they could have done PS1 and maybe PS2 games and let us use our disc for free. I would have crowned them the winner instantly had they done any kind of backwards compatibility and free online. They painted themselves as the good guys at that one E3 yet they are no better or worse than the others.

 

[TheWatcher]

I like the X, but it pisses me off that whichever company loses marketshare typically is the more consumer friendly. PSN was free last gen, now that Sony has the advantage, you need to pay to access online play. 360 started like a house on fire last generation, slowly phasing out BC, now that the Xbox One had a disasterous inception suddenly BC is back on the front burner. I thought the PS3 and Xbox 360 era was a fantastic period, and it is a shame that both of these giants cant make BC a uniform feature in the future.

 

[Spukc]

It looks like the console warring has died down so let's keep it that way. You can be critical and such, just please don't attack our friend Xbox, PlayStation or Jaguar friends personally.

Mod is biased i knew it.
Not even name dropping Nintendo.As i needed anymore proof neogaf hates nintendo.
GAH

 

[Darklor01]

MS pulled a cheap shot. It is a side swipe at Sony releasing a Mini, which, MS is not releasing. Granted, there isn’t a need for one, but the comparison isn’t apples to apples.

That said, I find it funny how people are saying Sony stole this idea from Nintendo. OK, they did. So? Apple Created the iPhone and now all Smart Phones from other manufacturers stole that idea and not a single person said anything about that. No one cared. If you didn’t want an iPhone, you bought an Android or Windows phone.
If you want an official mini-console that runs a limited number of titles and you don’t want the PS Mini, OK. Anyone complaining about the Neo Geo Mini? I hear nothing negative about that.

Let it go.

 

[SonGoku]

Not officially. Or at the very least a gray area in terms of legality

OT: ms having BC with improvements for X owners honestly would make a classic xbox kinda irrelevant so i get the point of the tweet (a slight jab at sony who more less straight ripped nintendo's concept, who in turn probably ripped it from one of those third party sega or atari machines)

Regardless of it being official the point still stands: Retro emus are so widespread and easy to run, people even have them on their phones, especially enthusiasts who buy this stuff do it for other reasons listed in my previous post

The reason why ms won't make an Xbox classsic is because the tech to make a mini console for 100$ that can emulate Xbox doesn't exist yet, same reason sony won't be making a ps2 classic anytime soon

I get the jab, its just that they come off as unaware/inept for not realizing the reason why people buy these retro consoles goes beyond the games.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Regardless of it being official the point still stands: Retro emus are so widespread and easy to run, people even have them on their phones, especially enthusiasts who buy this stuff do it for other reasons listed in my previous post

The reason why ms won't make an Xbox classsic is because the tech to make a mini console for 100$ that can emulate Xbox doesn't exist yet, same reason sony won't be making a ps2 classic anytime soon

I get the jab, its just that they come off as unaware/inept for not realizing the reason why people buy these retro consoles goes beyond the games.

They know that. It is why they did not make this jab towards Nintendo... both times.

They are just taking jabs at the king of the hill.