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GAF, I think I'm done with Sony

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petran79

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Will it truly be the PS5? Or ps5v1, ps5 pro, ps5 pro v2, ps5 deluxe. Even online fees may increase, like it happens with payTV and different premium packages. Then you buy the console and wait 3-4 extra years for the exclusives to arrive, while getting content with reserves or collecting dust. Enough reason to drop or not buy the console at all.

Censorship is the least concern here.
 

bitbydeath

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Is games like Catherine considered "hentai porn game"? Trust me when the game first came out in 2011 thats what most people called it. I was considered "pervert" for liking the game.

Catherine should be fine. The game has no nudity to censor.
 

Meccs

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I am more concerned with their next console design. If they use the same awful noisy PS3/PS4 blower style fan I will not buy another console from them. But I totally expect them to pull a Ps2 to PS3 arrogance stunt and Microsoft will dominate the first year of the next generation. I would be totally ok with that.
 
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NahaNago

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So ni no kuni 2, Nier, Dragon quest 11, are focused on western gamers? Thats news to me. And lets forget that anime fighters are on ps4 as well. Seems to me like you want more western games then Japanese games

Those aren't exactly exclusive. My issue seems to be that they don't really do or promote Japanese stuff for the west. The only AAA Japanes games they have made this gen 1st party wise was GT sport. I keep thinking that arrogant Sony is slowly coming back and next gen will be even worse for those who love Japanese games. This is more of a feeling over facts thing I would say. It isn't just the Japanese stuff I really do think that Sony's studios need to expand a lot more , venture more into the online gaming community stuff, either buy or build up a Japanese studio that can make AAA games that isn't a car game, and embrace more of the otaku side of things( I mean they bought funimation after all).
 

Hudo

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I'm with you, OP. This was/is also the gen where I was just "done" with Sony for basically the same reasons. However, I would add or pronounce that it all began (for me) with the astonishingly subpar build quality of both the console (including the "premium" PS4 Pro) and the DS4. Now, don't get me wrong, the DS4 is a huge step forward compared to the DS3 but that's not saying much, to be honest.
 

RadioBunny

Neo Member
Poor services, lack of features, high prices, and now censorship... To be fair, is there any reason to buy a PS4 besides the exclusive games or
herd behavior?
 

Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
I don't know if I could ever write off a console manufacturer, because they usually end up producing games I'm interested in. Although to be completely honest, I'm not sure if I'll bother with Nintendo next gen if the past three Nintendo consoles have been any indication. I always end up caving for one or two games, never use it again and then end up with buyers remorse.

So my issues end up being less about manufacturer business decisions per se and more about their games no longer appealing to me.
 
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mckmas8808

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Poor services, lack of features, high prices, and now censorship... To be fair, is there any reason to buy a PS4 besides the exclusive games or
herd behavior?

Another one not getting paid to do "for pay" post here. Sad. :(
 

Danjin44

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This might little off topic but here is another example of double standard censorship between Japanese games and western games.
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It seems you cant have box art of someone pointing a gun but apparently it okay for western games.
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RadioBunny

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This might little off topic but here is another example of double standard censorship between Japanese games and western games.
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It seems you cant have box art of someone pointing a gun but apparently it okay for western games.
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Lmao, that's just pure xenophobia now.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
This might little off topic but here is another example of double standard censorship between Japanese games and western games.
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It seems you cant have box art of someone pointing a gun but apparently it okay for western games.
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This has nothing to do with Sony specifically and has been going on for decades with Japanese vs. Western box arts of the same game.

Seems to be more of a cultural thing than any one company's policy.
 
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Gamernyc78

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I don't know if I could ever write off a console manufacturer, because they usually end up producing games I'm interested in. Although to be completely honest, I'm not sure if I'll bother with Nintendo next gen if the past three Nintendo consoles have been any indication. I always end up caving for one or two games, never use it again and then end up with buyers remorse.

So my issues end up being less about manufacturer business decisions per se and more about their games no longer appealing to me.

I am in the same boat. Funny enough I also bought my son a Switch but he doesn't play it and he has Mario, smash, etc. Waste of money.
 
This might little off topic but here is another example of double standard censorship between Japanese games and western games.
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It seems you cant have box art of someone pointing a gun but apparently it okay for western games.
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Never mind, just googled it.
 
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Danjin44

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This has nothing to do with Sony specifically and has been going on for decades with Japanese vs. Western box art of the same game.

Seems to be more of a cultural thing than any one company's policy.
Thats why I said "little off topic"

Also how culture has anything to do with this? If its okay for western games to have someone pointing gun in cover then it should be also okay for Japanese games as well when it localized for west.
 

Danjin44

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That’s the devs that make Persona, right?

What kind of game is that? Looks cool
No, the original game made by Etrian Odyssey developers. It FANTASTIC games but the game is really hard, I would say waaaay harder than SMTIV and SMTIV-A.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Thats why I said "little off topic"

Also how culture has anything to do with this? If its okay for western games to have someone pointing gun in cover then it should be also okay for Japanese games as well when it localized for west.

You're misunderstanding. Rockstar does not have to go through any localization group to put a box art out in the country that they are from.

The cultural thing lies possibly in the localization departments of these companies. And I still think there's a disconnect and what they feel they are allowed to show here, especially the way the news is handled with gun violence, etc., since this is not exclusive to any one console maker or publisher, and has been happening for as long as I remember gaming even in the 16-bit and 8-bit days.

So I still think a lot of these localization departments are still operating on a very old way of looking at things, and don't want to "incite" or "offend".
 
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Danjin44

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You're misunderstanding. Rockstar does not have to go through any localization group to put a box art out in the country that they are from.

The cultural thing lies possibly in the localization departments of these companies. And I still think there's a disconnect and what they feel they are allowed to show here, espeically the way the news is handled with gun violence, etc., since this is not exclusive to any one console maker or publisher and has been happening for as long as I remember gaming even in the 16-bit and 8-bit days.

So I still think a lot of these localization departments are still operating on a very old way of looking at things, and don't want to "incite" or "offend".
I see you point but I still god damn hate this.
 

Enjay

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I really like the PS4 but I do get what you're saying OP. Sony seem to have become a very Western-focused company and have lost a lot of the intriguing (and dare I say, quirky) Japanese qualities that made them an appealing company back 'in 't day. Their exclusives in particular all seem to be following the same style and I think I have no interest in them moving forward. They're all pretentious to me, largely because they often pretend to be more impactful than I've ever found them any of them to be.
I'm getting real sick of Naughty Dog too tbh.
 

hecatomb

Banned
Those aren't exactly exclusive. My issue seems to be that they don't really do or promote Japanese stuff for the west. The only AAA Japanes games they have made this gen 1st party wise was GT sport. I keep thinking that arrogant Sony is slowly coming back and next gen will be even worse for those who love Japanese games. This is more of a feeling over facts thing I would say. It isn't just the Japanese stuff I really do think that Sony's studios need to expand a lot more , venture more into the online gaming community stuff, either buy or build up a Japanese studio that can make AAA games that isn't a car game, and embrace more of the otaku side of things( I mean they bought funimation after all).
well the sells for most Japanese games are low in the US. Tales of games, and Dragon quest games are some of the biggest sellers in Japan, next to Nintendos games like Kirby. But they just don't sell as well. Theres quite of few Japanese games that don't even make it to America, and didn't even get the new earthbound game. And turned final fantasy into a action rpg just for western gamers

Then you have to think is this Sonys fault, or the western gamers fault.
 
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thelastword

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GAF, I think after this gen I’m done with Sony. I’m not super angry at the company, or disgusted like I was with Microsoft last-gen, I just think that aside from their exclusives, they have nothing to offer me anymore.

Just to give a background, I’m a gamer for life. I probably had one or two hundred X-Box 360 games, but toward the end of the generation I was eager to switch. This was partly because I fell in love with games like Gran Turismo 5 and The Last of Us, partly because most of my friends and family had PS3s, and partly because I didn’t like Microsoft’s messaging to gamers and the way they treated indie devs. So I bought a beautiful Vita, got the PS4 soon after release, and exchanged it for a Pro when the time was right.

Now I think I’m done with Sony. It’s been good, but I feel like they are sending the same type of off-putting messages that Microsoft was sending at the end of the last generation. In particular, I don’t like how they are telling devs to censor the sexual content in their games now, and I’m thinking that for every skeleton of this type in their closet, there’s probably at least a handful more that haven’t come to light. I’m even fine with the angry narrative for TLOU2, but it also seems like an indication that the company is entering partisan nonsense, and I don’t want anything to do with that. So the writing is on the wall for me. I’m not a fan of this culture war stupidity, and I’m wondering if there’s a silent majority out there that feels the same.

I’m not sure what surprises the console makers have coming up for the next gen, but I’m thinking whatever they can offer, PC gaming will probably match and surpass it. It might mean I have to spend a bit more to join the fun, but so be it.
When you see so many threads like this, you know it's the end of the gen....It's a bit strange tbh, it's like people are already campaigning for next gen.....

I'll say this, I'm on the side of games; high quality, high production values in games and exclusives and I got tonnes of that this gen on a Sony console, and about to get a tonne more in 2019... Conspicuously, what was missing the most from XBOX this gen are the games, that was it's biggest achilles heel and also the most important reason we buy consoles......I don't play those anime games, so it doesn't affect me, but surely, there must be a reason Sony is censoring some games in Japan.....So let's get the whole picture on the situation before we render a company evil for regulating an issue which tonnes of people are having issue with where Sony thinks they need to do something about it......

Personally, I don't play games for titillation purposes, many other avenues for that, even better media focus all over the internet where you get the real thing with no censorship........I'm not saying sexual depiction in games shouldn't exist or shouldn't be a thing, but even Sony has dialed down on that in their exclusives, so maybe it's a new mandate for the whole gaming division...You realize there was no sexual mini-game in GOW?... Granted the story they told in that game introduced us to a grieving Kratos and a changed man, so perhaps it would not be something he would pursue in the story tbf, but perhaps, it's something specific to the artstyle in anime games, that some characters look so young and the way they depict themselves in said games and how they try to draw their audience in, sometimes a very young audience could be drawn in through the sexual suggestiveness in these games.....

So it's a bigger issue than just games, because tonnes of companies, foundations, bodies would be at Sony to make a difference to stop persons from accessing content where sexually active and sugesstive characters look so young...I won't go too far into this because we know the implications and we know our society has issues with even adults pursuing younger persons or children outside of games, perhaps this is a measure to stamp out such pursuits and thoughts even in games...The thing is, Sony has been the market leader for so many gens and in this one as well, it makes sense that they get the most pressure to make a change there.....Yet, I don't think this is about sexual censorship as such, perhaps if the devs don't make their characters look so young or childlike there would be less censorship there......I think that is the issues.....So just like my GOW example, I'm pretty sure after Kratos grieves, we may see him having the occasional sexual scene or mini-game, but the difference is none of the women looked underage in any GOW game......

So no, I will stick to or go where the games are...and lets be honest OP...I hope you're not trying to be a bit disingenuous with all of this, because if you love Sony Ip's, you can play those games on a Sony console and if you really believe you must get your fix of censored games, you can always play those on PC or Nintendo machines if they are not censored there.....
 

fantomena

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Poor services, lack of features, high prices, and now censorship... To be fair, is there any reason to buy a PS4 besides the exclusive games or
herd behavior?

Well I only care about exclusive games when I buy any console, so?

Btw, what do you mean with "high prices"?
 

zwiggelbig

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PC game and stop jumping on console bandwagons at launch. Wait a couple years and you get console revisions at 1/3rd off at minimum and cheap exclusives while the best of everything else is on PC anyway. As far as spending more, not really. There are tons of options for building a decent PC on the cheap and games are discounted all over the place on PC. No hard copies so it’s pretty much all digital but the discounts make it worth it. Spending $10-$40 for a game vs $30-$60 isn’t bad at all.
well.. if ps5 launches with bloodborne 2 it wil be hard to wait a few years to get it hehe
 
When a new gen starts, I give every company a fresh start but I refused to buy a PS4 early this gen because of the BS they pulled back at EA's E3 conference in 2014. Adam Boyes saying that "The only place you can play the Battlefield Hardline beta in 1080p 60 fps is on the PS4." Once the beta came out and Digital foundry looked at it, it was only running around 900p, 45-56 fps. I knew then all they were doing is lying to the fans because the Xbox one was getting insulted from the industy because most of the games were 720 - 900p (Base X1 still is.) Its the principal for me why I refuse to buy a PS4.
 
I look at it this way. Whoever provides me with the games I want to play are the company or companies I will continue to support. I hate the censorship as well and I’m watching next generation with a close eye, but I’m not loyal to anyone.
 
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zenspider

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I understand the subconcious and semi-concious feeling of support and participation with these platform holders, but at the end of the day, are they censoring your games?

I think these kind of policies are more significant of the position than the company. The #1 console is always pulling some shit.

It will be interesting as next gen comes up and Nintendo will the leading console in the East and the de facto leader worldwide for a few quarters (depending on PS4 "last-gen/cross-gen" support) in the transition.
 
Seriously, imagine. I was wondering whose payroll u were under 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 Mad at the world because a company been taking risks and you want to downplay it because it doesn't fit your narrative whoaaa.

Friend I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Sony doesn't take more or less risks than either Microsoft or Nintendo and even if they did, what's that even supposed to mean?
 

CatCouch

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As it is right now I am not happy with Sony. I love sexual content, it's a huge inspiration for my own art. I play way more Japanese games than western so Sony censoring games I had preordered is a line for me. I cancelled my order of Senran Kagura Renewal due to it being delayed to be censored. With it launching unedited on Steam I will be buying it there.

I don't care too much for Sony's exclusives, I didn't buy GOW or Spider-man. They just are not my type of games, though I recognize they are excellent! TLOUPII and Catherine are the only big games I'm looking forward to on PS4 now that I can't play elsewhere, though. Sony sort of lost the edge they had with me to keep me on the system.

Since I already have an Xbox One I decided to move my multi-plat purchases over there. No one informed me that more Japanese games were getting XBOne releases recently so that was a pleasant surprise! I can play Shining Resonance Refrain on my Xbox. I didn't think that was possible. I also don't need to worry those games will be censored, there is no indication that will happen.

I don't stick with one system so I don't need Sony. If they offer inferior versions of games I can get elsewhere then I will naturally move elsewhere. It sounds like the Switch and Xbox One will have most games I want without hassle. I already own those systems so the only choice I need to make is which system I order on.

Nothing is set in stone, though. Two years ago I completely dropped my Xbox for lack of reasons to play on it and I was upset with Nintendo censoring games and taking down adult fan art online (which they did to me). Now Nintendo doesn't censor, I'm using my Xbox and Sony is the one I'm upset with. Things change all the time so who knows what will happen in the future.
 

GamesAreFun

Banned
Which games have actually been censored? I thought it's the typical Japanese anime boob physics simulators, not actual proper games.

I think you're overreacting a bit.
 

CatCouch

Member
Which games have actually been censored? I thought it's the typical Japanese anime boob physics simulators, not actual proper games.

I think you're overreacting a bit.
What makes those games not actual proper games? Games like Senran Kagura are definitely important to me, I buy and collect the physical versions when I can, including Limited Run versions!

It's frustrating to have a game I had preordered be delayed for a few months just to censor it for content that was available in the previous game on the same system. I see no good in that decision.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
What makes those games not actual proper games? Games like Senran Kagura are definitely important to me, I buy and collect the physical versions when I can, including Limited Run versions!

It's frustrating to have a game I had preordered be delayed for a few months just to censor it for content that was available in the previous game on the same system. I see no good in that decision.

IDK, according to a bunch on here (and we know why really), ND and Sony First Party games are not games, and they are just walking sims and movies.

This is why these threads are garbage. It brings out the best in gamers.
 

CatCouch

Member
IDK, according to a bunch on here (and we know why really), ND and Sony First Party games are not games, and they are just walking sims and movies.

This is why these threads are garbage. It brings out the best in gamers.
I guess I'm in the minority if I like both. The Last of Us Part II is the one game that I still have my PS4 hooked up for!

I'll play anything if I like the art in it. I played Agony and liked it! I love the Onechanbara games! I'm going to replay Gone Home, soon. I still have achievements I didn't unlock. Am I the only one in the world who can like all these games?
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I guess I'm in the minority if I like both. The Last of Us Part II is the one game that I still have my PS4 hooked up for!

I'll play anything if I like the art in it. I played Agony and liked it! I love the Onechanbara games! I'm going to replay Gone Home, soon. I still have achievements I didn't unlock. Am I the only one in the world who can like all these games?

Nope, I am right there with you. I can voice my concerns about certain aspects, critique an artist's work, but I will still play the shit out of their game, and a myriad of games, genres, etc..

Bountiful fruit I see them as.
 
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down 2 orth

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Just want to say that I finished reading everyone’s posts up to here. For everyone saying they don’t care and are only about the games, I get it and wish you all happy gaming.

Honest question: What did sony censored besides anime games?

It’s not limited to anime games, but Japanese devs are the only ones speaking out and people are assuming that’s the case.

Anyways, I noticed a lot of loli/hentai fearmongering in this thread. I recommend some of you read up more on the situation if you are interested, and if you are not intentionally trying to misrepresent the argument.
 

mad597

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No surprise the wave of corporate Sony shills here on sonygaf trying to defend Sonys honor. Like fucking paid clockwork.
 
No surprise the wave of corporate Sony shills here on sonygaf trying to defend Sonys honor. Like fucking paid clockwork.

Does this account exist literally only to post this kind of content?

I honestly never see you post anything other than “BURN THEM ALL!” on anything Sony related.
 
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