Facism
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Are we sure devs see any of That extra revenue? The cynic in me says the publisher makes the cheddar, not the dev
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Deep Silver is pulling Metro Exodus from Steam, makes it Epic store exclusive.
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bati
Member
Only for Americans, us Euros get the same price as on steam. Tell me again how that is competition?
octiny
Banned
Lowering prices isn't what is going to stir the competition. They don't even need a price drop to compete, more & more devs will eventually flock their way to the Epic game store if Valve doesn't get their shit together simply due to profits, thus people will be forced to move away from Steam. It's how business works, and hey, if some countries can get a game for cheaper versus on Steam, even better.
I'm just glad to see someone finally taking aim at Valve, they've been pissing in the wind for way too long.
Edit: Good to see the people who had pre-ordered it on Steam prior to the announcement still gets to use it as a Steam game/launcher.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
People who love Steam and are upset, I get it. It's nice having things you like in one easy accessible location. I get it. I think whining about multiple launchers, is nothing but that: whining. Because it aint that big of a deal. I have GOG, uplay, Steam and Origin all installed and I can manage just fine. Now that's not to say that there isn't a point where it could reach too much like what is fixing to happen in the streaming industry.
In an ideal world Metro would be offered on multiple launcher platforms including Epic, GOG and Steam.
However, I do not blame Epic in the slightest for moneyhatting to get Metro exclusively on their platform. Epic wants their own launcher and in order to have a fighting chance at competing with the big dogs you have to have exclusive content. You have to. Sony and MS know this for their game console. Exclusive content is everything.
Disclaimer:
I freely admit that I am salty towards Steam because I had a bad experience 6 years ago, where my entire Steam library got locked out due to a misunderstanding on their end. It took me over a week of going back and forth with tech support before they acknowledged the misunderstanding and unlocked my account. As long as a single platform has that kind of power, I will never be in favor of a single launcher. And that is why I have migrated very strongly towards GOG.
In an ideal world Metro would be offered on multiple launcher platforms including Epic, GOG and Steam.
However, I do not blame Epic in the slightest for moneyhatting to get Metro exclusively on their platform. Epic wants their own launcher and in order to have a fighting chance at competing with the big dogs you have to have exclusive content. You have to. Sony and MS know this for their game console. Exclusive content is everything.
Disclaimer:
I freely admit that I am salty towards Steam because I had a bad experience 6 years ago, where my entire Steam library got locked out due to a misunderstanding on their end. It took me over a week of going back and forth with tech support before they acknowledged the misunderstanding and unlocked my account. As long as a single platform has that kind of power, I will never be in favor of a single launcher. And that is why I have migrated very strongly towards GOG.
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Paracelsus
Member
Nobody should give a damn how developers make their ends meet. If they can't, they should lower the budget and the graphics because it's clearly a wrong model.
The only competition that matters is the one that trickles down to customers.
bati
Member
A paying customer needs some incentive to migrate to another store too. I'm not seeing that. In fact, feature wise epic store is complete shit even when compared with Uplay or Origin, let alone Steam. Two days ago I tried to put two items into basket on the epic store and the fucking thing insisted on going straight to checkout each time I added an item so I literally could not do something as basic as adding more than one item to the basket.
That's not competition, it's a fucking farce. And the only reason we're even talking about epic is because they got enough capital for poaching developers right now.
You want to know how competition looks like? Check GOG. They offered DRM free products and initially even adjusted prices in euros to be in line with dollars.
THAT is how you compete. And they got a bunch of goodwill over it to. On the other hand, Epic is getting well deserved backlash thrown at them.
octiny
Banned
I certainly give a damn, as do a lot of developers. With increasing costs no matter what type of game you try to aim for, it's not something you can just ignore. It's not as simple as "lowing the graphics" lol.
Nevertheless, I expect Epic to nab 5-6 more exclusives this year. Maybe this will eventually get Valve off their ass & make HL3.
The only backlash I'm seeing is from hardcore steamers on forums, a couple Youtube channels & articles for clicks/hits. Majority of PC enthusiast forums I visit could care less.
Agree to disagree. I'll be buying it Day 1. You gotta start somewhere.
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brian0057
Banned
> Steam: *becomes the biggest store front through fair competition*.
"This is a monopoly! Fuck Valve and their anti-consumer practices and complacency!".
> Epic: *creates a literal monopoly by making Metro Exodus exclusive*.
"Geez, you people. This is just good old competition. Who cares if the customer is getting screwed? Deep Silver gets two more dollar per purchase!".
... ok then.
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octiny
Banned
Lol who said anything about a monopoly? I know I didn't, And FYI, you can't create a monopoly with 1 game....better yet, you can't create a monopoly if it's still available to everybody on said system (PC).
Who's getting screwed? No one. If you want to play the game, play it. If you don't, don't. People who pre-ordered it via steam, still get it via Steam.
Sitting here & complaining isn't going to change the fact that Epic is coming for Valve. If you don't think that's going to create forceful competition whether you like how it's done or not, then that's on you. Either way, you can still play the games. It's just a launcher & I have no doubt Epic will be making huge improvements over the near year.
CuNi
Member
Imagine all those people that are not that into gaming news and unaware of this.. Launch day is going to be a fun day for social media I tell you.
sol_bad
Member
Of course the developers don't see that extra cash. I'm sure their contracts are set in stone and they already receive X amount of money and X amount of bonuses if a certain amount sell.
Anyone that thinks the developers will get paid higher are naive.
thelawof4
Member
And what are you going to do if Epic decides to remove your license of Metro? It is the only legal way to play it on PC until 2020.
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Fbh
Member
Said it in the other thread but I don't like the way Epic is handling things.
I'm personally don't really care about having another launcher and find most reactions to it exaggerated but I've never liked this type of exclusive deals where it's just basically someone paying a dev/publisher to NOT release their game on other platforms.
This isn't like MS paying for the development of Forza Horizon and making it exclusive to their Store or Blizzard deciding to release their own games on their own launcher. It's basically Epic going to devs like "here's some money, now don't release your stuff on other launchers" which offers no benefit to me as a consumer and is instead just taking options away from me
I'm personally don't really care about having another launcher and find most reactions to it exaggerated but I've never liked this type of exclusive deals where it's just basically someone paying a dev/publisher to NOT release their game on other platforms.
This isn't like MS paying for the development of Forza Horizon and making it exclusive to their Store or Blizzard deciding to release their own games on their own launcher. It's basically Epic going to devs like "here's some money, now don't release your stuff on other launchers" which offers no benefit to me as a consumer and is instead just taking options away from me
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I’ll get it when it comes to GOG. I’ll play it on consoles first.
WOW Deep Silver is still marketing Metro on Steam. What the actual fuck. At this rate I think steam should ban deep silver from Steam altogether.
https://steamcommunity.com/games/412020/announcements/detail/1728722175258235230
https://steamcommunity.com/games/412020/announcements/detail/1728722175258235230
strange headache
Banned
There's absolutely no reason for a competing product to simply forego these functionalities over a decade later. That's like saying an upstart motor company can produce cars without A/C, servo, airbags, automotive LED lights, ABS and other basic functionalities of a modern car because they've just recently hit the market. But hey, it's nice of you to admit that the EPIC storefront is a vastly inferior product. Which only leaves the question as to why you're defending this?
Release your own exclusives instead of greedily grabbing products that were planned to release on other platforms. You know, like Valve did back in the day:
CuNi
Member
Wow.. I mean yeah I get it, pre orders are going to be able to get their game on Steam and the decision apparently wasn't on deep silvers part but on Koch media but.. Wow.. I wonder how the guy at Koch Media responsible for this is looking at all of this... I'm sorry for the devs that the game they put hours of development into basically was the last piece to make that epic store controversy implode.
RedVIper
Banned
I'll keep using cracks so I don't have to deal with stupid launchers, I don't care if I have to buy a game in a specific platform (Even if I'd prefer if they were available on all platforms), but I refuse to have 10 different launchers installed.
On this particular one, the backlash is warranted, the game has been marketed on steam since release, pulling to another store weeks before launch is fucking stupid, especially considering it's a timed exclusive, whitch is a special kind of stupid.
On this particular one, the backlash is warranted, the game has been marketed on steam since release, pulling to another store weeks before launch is fucking stupid, especially considering it's a timed exclusive, whitch is a special kind of stupid.
thelawof4
Member
And what about the numerous sales every year? I never bought any game on steam over 40€ i think.
brian0057
Banned
Of course it's a monopoly. If you want to play Metro: Exodus on PC, you have to use the Epic Store. Otherwise, your only other choice is to not buy the game on PC.
This is not a competition between Valve and Epic for who can bring the most customers. This skullfuckery is about who can secure the most exclusives, effectively fracturing the store front market in the same way streaming sites are. Why do you think both Daredevil and Game of Thrones became some of the most pirated shows on God's green Earth?
This is not gonna force Steam to "suddenly" get better. More than likely, they're gonna drop to Epic's level and start making the same exclusive contracts with developers to only release games on their platform.
You wanna make sure people pirate your game? Because this is how you make sure people pirate your game.
Either that, they wait for it to be on a Steam sale, or simply don't buy it. Just like what happened with Rise of the Tomb Raider when it became a timed exclusive for the XBOX ONE.
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pr0cs
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1. I don't think at launch that it's reasonable to expect the epic store to compete 1-1 on features with steam, they have to start somewhere. In a year if they haven't significantly improved then I'll agree with you
2. I am a STRONG believer that Valve needs competition no key resellers are NOT competition when one way or another gamers are still on steam. Valve have had a stranglehold on developers and gamers and have shown with time that they've gotten lazy and complacent. Minimal improvements on their client, resistance to creating new valve games, half baked implementations of steam controller, steam link, steam boxes and the myriad of projects that they drop after seemingly getting bored with them
Epic is, but they also need high profile exclusives. They're in the same position as Microsoft with the Xbox, it takes time to build compelling exclusives so moneyhatting becomes their only opportunity in the meantime.
I do like how you showed the orange box, the last time valve actually tried to generate interest in their platform until they got lazy because there was no one in town to challenge them
Heebie Jeebies
Banned
I sincerely hope this game gets review bombed before being mass refunded when it is released.
they are already reviebombing the first 2 games and some others from deep silver
brian0057
Banned
Damn.
Ouch.
strange headache
Banned
You're defending a storefront where you can't even find out for most of their games if they have multiplayer or not. You're really telling me they are unable to implement some of the most basic functionalities, like a frikkin' forum or user reviews? They've got millions to throw at publishers but can't be arsed to implement some basic functionality? They're not even trying...
I really don't care what might happen in a year or not. It could be the best thing since sliced bread, it could be not, it's all hypothetical. What we can discuss however is what's there right now, and that's not a whole lot.
You're such a STRONG believer that you forego reason for shady anti-consumer business practices backed by a sleazy Chinese holding company. Steams popularity so far has been largely in the interest of PC gamers. That's not reasoned argumentation, but blind dogmatism. I'm all for healthy competition, but not like that.
GoG and all the other digital storefronts (Origin, BattleNET, Uplay) don't count? That's some real selective thinking right there. Valve doesn't have a "stranglehold", they are popular because their client offers excellent functionality as well as consumer-friendly services.
Have you not seen the timeline that I've posted above?
No they're not, they are gobbling up game products by throwing money at publishers. You're free to support that sort of competition, but so far you've presented not a single sane argument why the PC community should be supporting these sleazy practices.
Ouch.
If even the author of the books your games are based upon is reacting like that, you know you done f*cked up.
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pr0cs
Member
I never professed to suggest that the epic store is any good, just that we need more competition in the pc space and we should expect more digital storefronts. Some of them will likely be shit. I haven't bought anything off the epic store yet but I will if they put something on there that I'm interested in.
As I mentioned, exclusivity is the quickest way to drive business. Yes it sucks, yeah I would have loved to see epic have a price war with valve on software (especially considering valves quarterly sales have gotten worse these last year or so).
The fact remains that the only way epic is going to compete right now is with exclusivity
Not in this context. All of which are basically reselling content that is publisher specific. Gog is the closest competitor but as expected there is a lot of pushback from Devs for releasing DRM free games there.
I don't care what the metro author has to say about the game going exclusive, he should probably just stick to writing novels than commenting on selling software
How many more do you need? And NONE of them so far has the service and features Steam has not one. Steam even let you share your game library with a close friend etc. They are as pro consumer as you can get. also Origins etc offer also non EA, MS etc games. So your argument alone is pretty much zero regarding it.
Also no one even said they should have the same features. But what Epic right now has is NOTHING. Even Nintendo has a better online system and features than epic.
RedVIper
Banned
And that's totally fine, but this isn't the way to compete, make a better launcher and let developers choose to go to your store instead, buying them out isn't a good way to go about it.
pr0cs
Member
I don't care if there is two stores or two hundred, if it means that developers make more money and I get games for cheaper I don't really care. Thus far I haven't had any problems managing what I own and I've bought software from most of them at this point.
As I said, I don't care if the epic store is any good, clearly it's terrible compared to steam. If they're not timely in improving it (< year) they will lose customers because they know that steam is the defacto go-to place to buy games.. Exclusivity will only go so far, if gamers see that they aren't improving their service and still gobbling up exclusives then they will be called out on it and rightfully so.
Kadayi
Banned
There's a whole raft of launchers out there. Any and all of them could compete against Steam if the people behind them had bothered to put the effort into match Steam in terms of user-friendly feature sets. The fact that none of them has is largely why they've been eschewed by the consumer outside of their own first-party titles. The Epic launcher makes even Uplay look classy it's that bare bones.
1 The developers do not make more money the publishers are
2. With the game being 1 year exclusive with a very small potential market you do not make more money at all.
Since games are often heavy frontloaded and the fact that you can not expect to sell the game after a year for a full price. They will actually LOSE money. It will most likely kill the IP
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GermanZepp
Member
Sorry, I'm no pc guy, all this meltdown cause people dont want to install a launcher? Sounds like a lot of manchilds complaining.
Kenpachii
Member
1 The developers do not make more money the publishers are
2. With the game being 1 year exclusive with a very small potential market you do not make more money at all.
Since games are often heavy frontloaded and the fact that you can not expect to sell the game after a year for a full price. They will actually LOSE money. It will most likely kill the IP
What makes you think they bank on PC to start with? It's clear the game moved with last light more orientated towards consoles to start with. I wouldn't be shocked if PC is actually not there main market.
Then Epic could easily have paid most of there dev costs with it which makes it already from the get go a really profitable journey as from what i understand the game is designed in ukraine or eastern europe where salary's are a joke which epic can easily cover.
They could also release the game later on steam if they want to most likely. Much like what more major single player AAA games do like RDR2 and GTA5 etc.
This won't kill anything.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Sony and Microsoft mostly develop their own exclusive content. They usually don't buy third party from other publishers or developers.
Kadayi
Banned
Because the main base of this niche hardcore shooter is on PC. And after the backlash they already said that it will be available on Steam and CO on February 15th 2020. But when they release it in one year they will not e able to sell much with the full Price. Again games are very front loaded and with Steam users really being pissed and review bombing Deep Silver games now on Steam they most likely have lost even more potential Sales on Steam. Right now Everything released by Deep Silver and Koch media is done for a while at least.
The backlash is already so hard they they deleted the new gameplay video from their Steam side.
CuNi
Member
I don't want to sound rude but what inspired you to join a thread about pc gaming, state that you don't even are one yourself and then insult one group? I am amazed about the length human beings go just to insult others.
There's a whole raft of launchers out there. Any and all of them could compete against Steam if the people behind them had bothered to put the effort into match Steam in terms of user-friendly feature sets. The fact that none of them has is largely why they've been eschewed by the consumer outside of their own first-party titles. The Epic launcher makes even Uplay look classy it's that bare bones.
Wow! Forums, chat, social media, reviews, cloud storage, streaming, image hosting, and guides? Steams' value-add here is really incredible. Can't even imagine what it was like before videogames could benefit from any of these things.
Heebie Jeebies
Banned
I have every launcher available on PC, I don't have a problem with that personally. The issue here is that Deep Silver, having made a deal with Epic some time ago, continued to use Steam for free marketing and didn't bother to inform potential customers about what was happening until 2 weeks before the game's release. The game has gone from being on sale on multiple storefronts like Steam, HUmble, Fanatical, Greenmangaming, to just the Epic Game Store.
Look at the reaction of The Division 2 being exclusive to the EGS compared to 1 year exclusivity for Metro Exodus, it is a lot more than just 'another launcher'.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Right. That's exactly what my post said.
pr0cs
Member
It was mentioned earlier, forget what thread, but that epic was going to effectively guarantee sales and cover the difference in shortfalls.
We really don't know what sort of deal epic gave them but I can guarantee that it was stellar for such big names to leave the signicantly larger audience in steam.
I am confident they will be making more money on this exclusivity than if they stayed with steam.
LittleBusters
Banned
This was the hypocrite Sweeney who blasted the idea of Windows Store. There is a special hell for people like him who fear-mongered Windows.
