Trogdor1123
Gold Member
So, what do you think the breakdown of each component will need? Seriously interested cause I don't know what each of these actually costs.
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Supposed PS5 specs from random Beyond3D member (Silly but this is also how the 1st Wii U specs was leaked)
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IMO these are all guesses.
But while I've always believed in the holiday 2020 launch I'm starting to think that Sony might not wait until then to launch their new system. A launch in spring 2020 might be a possibility.
And the main reason is financial pressure.
Now that Playstation has become the main pillar of the Sony group driving the profits of the whole corporation Sony simply can't afford to have two full years 2019 and 2020 with a declining business.
Shareholders freaked out last week just because they sold less consoles last christmas than in December 2018....something that was totally obvious and natural given the PS4 lifecycle. Sony has also announced a huge buyback (almost 1 billion dollars) of their own shares to boost investors confidence over long term growth and profits opportunities.
In this sense they might not afford to wait until late 2020 with a continously declining PS4 business.
And in the end to launch PS5 they simply need:
1)7nm technology
2)Upgraded ports of all their upcoming AAA hits (TLOU2, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tushima,etc)
3)A PS5 exclusive meant to showcase the hardware capabilities (Horizon 2?).
I think that they can meet all these objectives earlier than holiday 2020.
But while I've always believed in the holiday 2020 launch I'm starting to think that Sony might not wait until then to launch their new system. A launch in spring 2020 might be a possibility.
And the main reason is financial pressure.
Now that Playstation has become the main pillar of the Sony group driving the profits of the whole corporation Sony simply can't afford to have two full years 2019 and 2020 with a declining business.
Shareholders freaked out last week just because they sold less consoles last christmas than in December 2018....something that was totally obvious and natural given the PS4 lifecycle. Sony has also announced a huge buyback (almost 1 billion dollars) of their own shares to boost investors confidence over long term growth and profits opportunities.
In this sense they might not afford to wait until late 2020 with a continously declining PS4 business.
And in the end to launch PS5 they simply need:
1)7nm technology
2)Upgraded ports of all their upcoming AAA hits (TLOU2, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tushima,etc)
3)A PS5 exclusive meant to showcase the hardware capabilities (Horizon 2?).
I think that they can meet all these objectives earlier than holiday 2020.
ResilientBanana
Member
20GB GDDR6 is crazy because it's not offered in those sizes.
Shin
Banned
I think inflation changes these prices the most over time and supply/demand being the cause of ripples as they tend to go back down (memory).
GPU prices also seem around the same for AMD, yet stronger and stronger so nothing changes in reality IMO.
Draw your own conclusion, I don't see anything that would jump 3-5x in price that would spike the BoM.
Insane Metal
Member
That sounds almost too good to be true... lol
DreamsiclesPlz
Member
I don't know how they're going to sell something with those specs at a reasonable price without losing money on each console sold.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I think this is wrong, but my understanding is X1X has 12GB of GDDR5
shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
200% increase in RAM would still be the smallest generational increase AFAIK.
Shin
Banned
I do wonder how separate Sony's arms are, referring to half of Samsung's TV's this year being 8K ones.
Sony will have to keep up and to do that they need shit to sell it also, movies, services....consoles (far-fetched).
Point being we can't remain stagnant like the PC that's been sitting on 4K for years but not has moved, the market that's connected to console has to move...incl. the graphical prowess of the console itself.
Sony will have to keep up and to do that they need shit to sell it also, movies, services....consoles (far-fetched).
Point being we can't remain stagnant like the PC that's been sitting on 4K for years but not has moved, the market that's connected to console has to move...incl. the graphical prowess of the console itself.
McHuj
Member
I think a cut down 384-bit bus is a possibility. NVIDIA does this to increase yields, AMD could follow suit on an expensive and new 7nm process. Consoles already have been disabling CU's to increase yields, disabling a portion of the bus is not that far out of the question.
A 384-bit bus cut down to 320-bit would allow for 10 or 20 memory dies. 20 seems too high, but 10 2GB chips would work. Just seems like it would be too costly.
FriedCarbonyte
Member
I would love to see Horizon 2 be the showcase, but I don’t think there’s been enough development time. With development on Horizon probably finishing near the end of Q3 2017 for Frozen Wilds DLC that leaves just over 2 years development time. Not enough time for AAA development IMO.
Insane Metal
Member
Yes but more than enough for current and future stuff. RAM requirements haven't increased like nuts the last few years.
juliotendo
Member
Nintendo Switch.
I also believe Sony launched the original PlayStation in Japan in March although I might be mistaken.
93xfan
Banned
That would put me back in Sony’s camp again. I’d love to have access to everything from PSN I had on the PS3. I would love that so, so much. I’d be very surprised if it happens, but also very happy
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yeah even if this isn't a real leak, those are the specs that would make me 100% happy with next-gen.
LordOfChaos
Member
It's also from a completely different member than the Wii U leaker....What positive reasons do we have to believe this?
If someone was a reputable leaker on Gaf, that doesn't mean anything I say is also reputable, just because I'm another Gaf member?
Again...Number one point of the DF video...Anyone can post reasonable sounding specs, but follow trusted sources.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/digi...to-know-about-next-gen-console-leaks.1472169/
(and Jaguar-Ryzen will be a large jump, but I don't believe it's on the scale of the PS2-PS3 jump at all. 4-6 times the power is the scope we're looking at.)
If someone was a reputable leaker on Gaf, that doesn't mean anything I say is also reputable, just because I'm another Gaf member?
Again...Number one point of the DF video...Anyone can post reasonable sounding specs, but follow trusted sources.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/digi...to-know-about-next-gen-console-leaks.1472169/
(and Jaguar-Ryzen will be a large jump, but I don't believe it's on the scale of the PS2-PS3 jump at all. 4-6 times the power is the scope we're looking at.)
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shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
Agreed, just think it’s funny that we are talking about a 3x increase as if it’s some preposterous amount when that’s very low compared to previous generational improvements.
ResilientBanana
Member
If it was offered in 2GB incriments, I would agree. The densities are sold in 8GB or 16GB. So, 20GB is not possible. 8, 16, 24, 32.. all possible. 20, no, not possible.
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/gddr6/
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The main team probably started on it, in the summer of 2017. So yeah.....maybe that is too fast.
Insane Metal
Member
Gb, not GB. 16Gb = 2GB.
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I am expecting three types of launch games. Ports of old games, better versions of then current games, and a few (at most) games that only next generation can run, but which will be mostly flash and relegated to the bargain bin within a year. And I am ok with this. My biggest concern is the enhanced games having more enhancements than 4k. Even as a gaming enthusiast, 4k is just not important to me yet, nor will be until my 1080p tv's die.
LucidDreamer
Member
Is this good?
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I'm expecting a $399 system. I'm guessing it will be about as powerful as a GTX 1070ti and they'll pair it with 16GB GDDR6.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Its bollocks!
Imtjnotu
Member
This is one hell of a machine if true
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Espresso only talked about CPU, nothing else. This says nothing in support of the PS5 leak.
- Wii U specs still aren't completely known, predominantly about the Latte GPU.
- What's Shamepain's credibility? Surely just because Espresso, a different user, made a prediction, you can't possibly use that as an argument for a prediction by a completely different user? Hell you even state it yourself, its a random B3D member. How is that credible?
- The specs sound plausible but that's all it is. It sounds plausible. That does not mean it has any real-world merit, for instance with the memory.
- These specs don't differ that much from prior leaks which you can also doubt if it was legit or not.
But hey i am a glitch according to you that you have on ignore so..
''But stacked HBM memory!'' - Hellpoint Dev.
''But GDDR5x is plenty available!'' - Screenrant Dev.
Link generates an Oops so i can't see the history.
But given how Sharepain has 12 posts, is a member for almost 3.5 years and only now starts posting leaking information about the next-gen.. thats either some amazing foresight, a burner account attempting a good-sounding estimate, or just random guesses like everyone is being doing these days.
My question would be: What's Shamepain's credibility? Just because B3D had a completely different user in the past that also made a prediction and that somehow was a bit true does say anything about Sharepain.
Its a onQ123 thread, so if you threw some salt behind your back in advance, throw some more for safety sakes.
Its interesting though. OP literally asserts its just a random member and still this generates commentary. I should try that one day.
Was December 1994 AFAIK.
Yeah but the trend slowed down on PC, too.
bitbydeath
Member
Azurro
Banned
You can't use an exponential growth function to decide whether something is enough or not, that's really silly. Going from 512 MB to 8 GB is way easier than 8 GB * 16. That'd be 120 GB in RAM. There's nothing in the pipeline even approaching that.
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There is no reason to believe it just like there wasn't any reason to believe any of the other leaks I just pointed out that the Wii U leak happened the same way so you never know.
Never believe anything until it's confirmed by a reliable source
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Yep, thx
Did a quick post history check (Just a few pages) on the technical front just seems like a guy, talking stuff, nothing really technical or specific.
Curiously, he considered the PS4 weak and held out for what was then the PS4k, but he suggested the console in another thread to someone else and he has held an XBO himself, which is also apparent in his postings, leaning towards Microsoft.
And to speak against his street cred: He didn't know much about the PS4 Pro and thought it was 3.6 TF.
Nothing really however proves he is a credible source at all so this thread is basically ''Random Idea Guy claims a thing.''
By a completely different person.
So literally the whole existence of this thread and the whole reason you made this thread is essentially ''The Wii U leak happened this way so you never know!'' forfeiting that Espresso was someone else and only talked CPU.
This is reaching even for you. There is zero credibility involved besides a historic semblance on a different console. That's literally your entire argument.
ThatStupidLion
Member
if i dont have a 4k tv, is it possible for hte machine to dedicate resources elsewhere? maybe they can provide 4k mode or not?
Yes it is if you have $3,000 lol https://www.cdw.com/product/crucial-128gb-ddr4-2666-ecc-lrdimm/5145000
But there is also ReRAM but it's slow & would still need to have some fast memory to go with it.
Tripolygon
Banned
Are you daft or something? It is a speculative thread just like every other rumor based speculative thread from seemingly random person on the internet. The point which was clearly pointed out in the OP was that the Wii U leak which also came from BY3D also happened randomly from someone with very few posts history without any credibility but it turned out they were right. It is getting rather tiring seeing you act stupid in every thread O onQ123 is in.
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TeamGhobad
Banned
since we're doing predictions here are mine
16GB GDDR5X
Zen+ 8C/16T
Navi GPU 10.5 Tflops
2TB HDD
16GB GDDR5X
Zen+ 8C/16T
Navi GPU 10.5 Tflops
2TB HDD
shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
Yeah you can. Almost every quantifiable aspect of computer performance/storage capacity has been growing exponentially for literally decades.
Things are finally starting to change because Moore’s law is ending, but it has historically been true.
Wait, so every silly post on b3d is thread worthy now because "you never know"? Sorry but a thread should at least have something substantial besides where it's posted. Otherwise it could fit into a general speculation thread and even then people would not believe it because lack of credibility.
Been following me around for over a month mouthing off when he don't even exist to me that's why I never reply to him but he continue talking to himself looking for attention.
Tripolygon
Banned
Every silly post on the internet is thread worthy, this is a discussion forum, you don't like a thread, simply move past it. You don't even need to click it. Heck what's his face posted polls upon polls of random thoughts that popped into his head and of course they weren't necessarily thread worthy but still it is allowed. These are the rumor times, just like how random rumors were posted in previous new gen rumor cycle, it is going to be the same this time.
Aintitcool
Banned
Bite your tounge. The difference in 1gb ram can literally mean 30% increase in resolution for devs. Any mb of ram is meaningful in game development on fixed hardware.
Legit I believed it would be 4gb too until crytec was the first devs to adamantly say 8 gb or death publically.
ethomaz
Banned
That expectations.
230mm2 for 4096SP in 7nm.
For reference:
495mm2 for 4096SP in 14nm (GCN5)
331mm2 for 4096SPs in 7nm (GCN5)
That means they expect Navi to be 30% smalled in the same process than GCN5 or in the same sense 30% cheaper than GCN5 7nm 4096SP chip.
thelastword
Banned
Seems plausible, it's not the first time we've heard of the 880Gb/s.........I think by the time PS5 launches they will have more Ram, I'm thinking 32GB is the least amount they offer at final Spec...
Tripolygon
Banned
This is rather interesting and exciting for the prospect of next gen GPU.
I guess they forgot that I'm the one who brought the PS4 & Wii U specs here
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ps4-...d-7970-gpu-steamroller-cpu-16gb-flash.477540/
