Supposed PS5 specs from random Beyond3D member (Silly but this is also how the 1st Wii U specs was leaked)

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Retail vs direct contracts of a manufacturer + discounts + whatever else.
Here's an idea of how much 8/16GB GDDR6 cost and that's factoring the 70% hike over GDDR5 I believe, then add them discount, margins, etc etc.
I used to work in sales (pretty much all my life) and one day while putting on price tags the wholesale? (whatever the shop pays their distributor) price was listed, guess what 50% profit between the store and their supplier.
Price are high because shit fuckers are keeping it so high (which they got fined for or is in progress still).

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/gddr6-significantly-more-expensive-than-gddr5.html
So, what do you think the breakdown of each component will need? Seriously interested cause I don't know what each of these actually costs.
 
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IMO these are all guesses.
But while I've always believed in the holiday 2020 launch I'm starting to think that Sony might not wait until then to launch their new system. A launch in spring 2020 might be a possibility.
And the main reason is financial pressure.
Now that Playstation has become the main pillar of the Sony group driving the profits of the whole corporation Sony simply can't afford to have two full years 2019 and 2020 with a declining business.
Shareholders freaked out last week just because they sold less consoles last christmas than in December 2018....something that was totally obvious and natural given the PS4 lifecycle. Sony has also announced a huge buyback (almost 1 billion dollars) of their own shares to boost investors confidence over long term growth and profits opportunities.
In this sense they might not afford to wait until late 2020 with a continously declining PS4 business.

And in the end to launch PS5 they simply need:
1)7nm technology
2)Upgraded ports of all their upcoming AAA hits (TLOU2, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tushima,etc)
3)A PS5 exclusive meant to showcase the hardware capabilities (Horizon 2?).

I think that they can meet all these objectives earlier than holiday 2020.
 
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Interesting you bring that up as Vega 64 benchmarks are out - https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-02-11-radeon-rx-vega-64-benchmarks-7001
Now let's say it's 13TF flat at $500, PS4 Pro GPU / RX 490? was around the same at launch but that's only 4.2 (with a lot disabled and what's not but ok doesn't matter).
Nothing about these potential specs are crazy, but looking at some reactions it's like console is getting too close to PC's holy grail but at 1/3 of the price and bla bla bla..
20GB GDDR6 is crazy because it's not offered in those sizes.
 
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So, what do you think the breakdown of each component will need? Seriously interested cause I don't know what each of these actually costs.
I think inflation changes these prices the most over time and supply/demand being the cause of ripples as they tend to go back down (memory).
GPU prices also seem around the same for AMD, yet stronger and stronger so nothing changes in reality IMO.

Draw your own conclusion, I don't see anything that would jump 3-5x in price that would spike the BoM.

 

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That has to the minimum I think.

The Xbox One X has 8GB + 4GB. That should be the benchmark for next gen. We already have games using as much as 11GB on PC. Anything less than 20GB and I will be disappointed.
I think this is wrong, but my understanding is X1X has 12GB of GDDR5
 
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I do wonder how separate Sony's arms are, referring to half of Samsung's TV's this year being 8K ones.
Sony will have to keep up and to do that they need shit to sell it also, movies, services....consoles (far-fetched).
Point being we can't remain stagnant like the PC that's been sitting on 4K for years but not has moved, the market that's connected to console has to move...incl. the graphical prowess of the console itself.
 
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20GB GDDR6 is crazy because it's not offered in those sizes.
I think a cut down 384-bit bus is a possibility. NVIDIA does this to increase yields, AMD could follow suit on an expensive and new 7nm process. Consoles already have been disabling CU's to increase yields, disabling a portion of the bus is not that far out of the question.

A 384-bit bus cut down to 320-bit would allow for 10 or 20 memory dies. 20 seems too high, but 10 2GB chips would work. Just seems like it would be too costly.
 
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IMO these are all guesses.
But while I've always believed in the holiday 2020 launch I'm starting to think that Sony might not wait until then to launch their new system. A launch in spring 2020 might be a possibility.
And the main reason is financial pressure.
Now that Playstation has become the main pillar of the Sony group driving the profits of the whole corporation Sony simply can't afford to have two full years 2019 and 2020 with a declining business.
Shareholders freaked out last week just because they sold less consoles last christmas than in December 2018....something that was totally obvious and natural given the PS4 lifecycle. Sony has also announced a huge buyback (almost 1 billion dollars) of their own shares to boost investors confidence over long term growth and profits opportunities.
In this sense they might not afford to wait until late 2020 with a continously declining PS4 business.

And in the end to launch PS5 they simply need:
1)7nm technology
2)Upgraded ports of all their upcoming AAA hits (TLOU2, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tushima,etc)
3)A PS5 exclusive meant to showcase the hardware capabilities (Horizon 2?).

I think that they can meet all these objectives earlier than holiday 2020.
I would love to see Horizon 2 be the showcase, but I don’t think there’s been enough development time. With development on Horizon probably finishing near the end of Q3 2017 for Frozen Wilds DLC that leaves just over 2 years development time. Not enough time for AAA development IMO.
 
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Seems really beefy. Wonder if those "full backwards compatibility w all Sony systems" rumors are true.
That would put me back in Sony’s camp again. I’d love to have access to everything from PSN I had on the PS3. I would love that so, so much. I’d be very surprised if it happens, but also very happy
 
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It's also from a completely different member than the Wii U leaker....What positive reasons do we have to believe this?

If someone was a reputable leaker on Gaf, that doesn't mean anything I say is also reputable, just because I'm another Gaf member?

Again...Number one point of the DF video...Anyone can post reasonable sounding specs, but follow trusted sources.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/digi...to-know-about-next-gen-console-leaks.1472169/


(and Jaguar-Ryzen will be a large jump, but I don't believe it's on the scale of the PS2-PS3 jump at all. 4-6 times the power is the scope we're looking at.)
 
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I think a cut down 384-bit bus is a possibility. NVIDIA does this to increase yields, AMD could follow suit on an expensive and new 7nm process. Consoles already have been disabling CU's to increase yields, disabling a portion of the bus is not that far out of the question.

A 384-bit bus cut down to 320-bit would allow for 10 or 20 memory dies. 20 seems too high, but 10 2GB chips would work. Just seems like it would be too costly.
If it was offered in 2GB incriments, I would agree. The densities are sold in 8GB or 16GB. So, 20GB is not possible. 8, 16, 24, 32.. all possible. 20, no, not possible.

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/gddr6/
 
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I would love to see Horizon 2 be the showcase, but I don’t think there’s been enough development time. With development on Horizon probably finishing near the end of Q3 2017 for Frozen Wilds DLC that leaves just over 2 years development time. Not enough time for AAA development IMO.
The main team probably started on it, in the summer of 2017. So yeah.....maybe that is too fast.
 
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The main team probably started on it, in the summer of 2017. So yeah.....maybe that is too fast.
I am expecting three types of launch games. Ports of old games, better versions of then current games, and a few (at most) games that only next generation can run, but which will be mostly flash and relegated to the bargain bin within a year. And I am ok with this. My biggest concern is the enhanced games having more enhancements than 4k. Even as a gaming enthusiast, 4k is just not important to me yet, nor will be until my 1080p tv's die.
 

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Espresso only talked about CPU, nothing else. This says nothing in support of the PS5 leak.
  • Wii U specs still aren't completely known, predominantly about the Latte GPU.
  • What's Shamepain's credibility? Surely just because Espresso, a different user, made a prediction, you can't possibly use that as an argument for a prediction by a completely different user? Hell you even state it yourself, its a random B3D member. How is that credible?
  • The specs sound plausible but that's all it is. It sounds plausible. That does not mean it has any real-world merit, for instance with the memory.
  • These specs don't differ that much from prior leaks which you can also doubt if it was legit or not.
All in all, reads like you once again read too much into it, providing a pic dump but not providing anything else to increase the accuracy nor any verification to this leak.

But hey i am a glitch according to you that you have on ignore so..

Doesn't add up. 880GB/s with GDDR6 is only possible with 512-bit bus and ~13.75Gbit/s memory chips. Would require minimum 16 memory chips, GDDR6 is offered in 8Gbit / 16 Gbit densities which would result in either 16GB or 32GB RAM in that case.
''But stacked HBM memory!'' - Hellpoint Dev.
''But GDDR5x is plenty available!'' - Screenrant Dev.


Wait, shamepain? That's a name I haven't heard for a long time... BRB googling.
And lol at how that has anything to do with WiiU. A random poster on a random forum is not hinting at anything.
Edit: https://www.neogaf.com/search/225799/
There you go, guys. Have fun reading through a post history of a banned guy now apparently used as a source of Truth for next gen.
Link generates an Oops so i can't see the history.

But given how Sharepain has 12 posts, is a member for almost 3.5 years and only now starts posting leaking information about the next-gen.. thats either some amazing foresight, a burner account attempting a good-sounding estimate, or just random guesses like everyone is being doing these days.

My question would be: What's Shamepain's credibility? Just because B3D had a completely different user in the past that also made a prediction and that somehow was a bit true does say anything about Sharepain.
That sounds almost too good to be true... lol
Its a onQ123 thread, so if you threw some salt behind your back in advance, throw some more for safety sakes.

Its interesting though. OP literally asserts its just a random member and still this generates commentary. I should try that one day.

Nintendo Switch.

I also believe Sony launched the original PlayStation in Japan in March although I might be mistaken.
Was December 1994 AFAIK.
 
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Link generates an Oops so i can't see the history.

But given how Sharepain has 12 posts, is a member for almost 3.5 years and only now starts posting leaking information about the next-gen.. thats either some amazing foresight, a burner account attempting a good-sounding estimate, or just random guesses like everyone is being doing these days.

My question would be: What's Shamepain's credibility? Just because B3D had a completely different user in the past that also made a prediction and that somehow was a bit true does say anything about Sharepain.
Does that work?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/a-fr...o-buy-a-console.1159259/page-2#post-189760577
 
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Agreed, just think it’s funny that we are talking about a 3x increase as if it’s some preposterous amount when that’s very low compared to previous generational improvements.
You can't use an exponential growth function to decide whether something is enough or not, that's really silly. Going from 512 MB to 8 GB is way easier than 8 GB * 16. That'd be 120 GB in RAM. There's nothing in the pipeline even approaching that.
 
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It's also from a completely different member than the Wii U leaker....What positive reasons do we have to believe this?

If someone was a reputable leaker on Gaf, that doesn't mean anything I say is also reputable, just because I'm another Gaf member?

Again...Number one point of the DF video...Anyone can post reasonable sounding specs, but follow trusted sources.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/digi...to-know-about-next-gen-console-leaks.1472169/


(and Jaguar-Ryzen will be a large jump, but I don't believe it's on the scale of the PS2-PS3 jump at all. 4-6 times the power is the scope we're looking at.)
There is no reason to believe it just like there wasn't any reason to believe any of the other leaks I just pointed out that the Wii U leak happened the same way so you never know.

Never believe anything until it's confirmed by a reliable source
 

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Yep, thx :)

Did a quick post history check (Just a few pages) on the technical front just seems like a guy, talking stuff, nothing really technical or specific.

Curiously, he considered the PS4 weak and held out for what was then the PS4k, but he suggested the console in another thread to someone else and he has held an XBO himself, which is also apparent in his postings, leaning towards Microsoft.

And to speak against his street cred: He didn't know much about the PS4 Pro and thought it was 3.6 TF.

Nothing really however proves he is a credible source at all so this thread is basically ''Random Idea Guy claims a thing.''

There is no reason to believe it just like there wasn't any reason to believe any of the other leaks I just pointed out that the Wii U leak happened the same way so you never know.

Never believe anything until it's confirmed by a reliable source
By a completely different person.

So literally the whole existence of this thread and the whole reason you made this thread is essentially ''The Wii U leak happened this way so you never know!'' forfeiting that Espresso was someone else and only talked CPU.

This is reaching even for you. There is zero credibility involved besides a historic semblance on a different console. That's literally your entire argument.
 
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This is reaching even for you. There is zero credibility involved besides a historic semblance on a different console. That's literally your entire argument.
Are you daft or something? It is a speculative thread just like every other rumor based speculative thread from seemingly random person on the internet. The point which was clearly pointed out in the OP was that the Wii U leak which also came from BY3D also happened randomly from someone with very few posts history without any credibility but it turned out they were right. It is getting rather tiring seeing you act stupid in every thread @onQ123 is in.
 
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You can't use an exponential growth function to decide whether something is enough or not, that's really silly. Going from 512 MB to 8 GB is way easier than 8 GB * 16. That'd be 120 GB in RAM. There's nothing in the pipeline even approaching that.
Yeah you can. Almost every quantifiable aspect of computer performance/storage capacity has been growing exponentially for literally decades.

Things are finally starting to change because Moore’s law is ending, but it has historically been true.
 
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Are you daft or something? It is a speculative thread just like every other rumor based speculative thread from seemingly random person on the internet. The point which was clearly pointed out in the OP was that the Wii U leak which also came from BY3D also happened randomly from someone with very few posts history without any credibility but it turned out they were right. It is getting rather tiring seeing you play act stupid in every thread onQ is in.
Wait, so every silly post on b3d is thread worthy now because "you never know"? Sorry but a thread should at least have something substantial besides where it's posted. Otherwise it could fit into a general speculation thread and even then people would not believe it because lack of credibility.
 
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Are you daft or something? It is a speculative thread just like every other rumor based speculative thread from seemingly random person on the internet. The point which was clearly pointed out in the OP was that the Wii U leak which also came from BY3D also happened randomly from someone with very few posts history without any credibility but it turned out they were right. It is getting rather tiring seeing you act stupid in every thread @onQ123 is in.
Been following me around for over a month mouthing off when he don't even exist to me that's why I never reply to him but he continue talking to himself looking for attention.
 
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Wait, so every silly post on b3d is thread worthy now because "you never know"? Sorry but a thread should at least have something substantial besides where it's posted. Otherwise it could fit into a general speculation thread and even then people would not believe it because lack of credibility.
Every silly post on the internet is thread worthy, this is a discussion forum, you don't like a thread, simply move past it. You don't even need to click it. Heck what's his face posted polls upon polls of random thoughts that popped into his head and of course they weren't necessarily thread worthy but still it is allowed. These are the rumor times, just like how random rumors were posted in previous new gen rumor cycle, it is going to be the same this time.
 
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more ram is a waste too.
Bite your tounge. The difference in 1gb ram can literally mean 30% increase in resolution for devs. Any mb of ram is meaningful in game development on fixed hardware.

Yeah I remember those 4gb of ram predictions for PS4.
Legit I believed it would be 4gb too until crytec was the first devs to adamantly say 8 gb or death publically.
 
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Here maybe one of you can do something with this, the die size calculation.

Other than that GDC starts tomorrow, no?
That expectations.

230mm2 for 4096SP in 7nm.

For reference:

495mm2 for 4096SP in 14nm (GCN5)
331mm2 for 4096SPs in 7nm (GCN5)

That means they expect Navi to be 30% smalled in the same process than GCN5 or in the same sense 30% cheaper than GCN5 7nm 4096SP chip.
 
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Seems plausible, it's not the first time we've heard of the 880Gb/s.........I think by the time PS5 launches they will have more Ram, I'm thinking 32GB is the least amount they offer at final Spec...
 
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Every silly post on the internet is thread worthy, this is a discussion forum, you don't like a thread, simply move past it. You don't even need to click it. Heck what's his face posted polls upon polls of random thoughts that popped into his head and of course they weren't necessarily thread worthy but still it is allowed. These are the rumor times, just like how random rumors were posted in previous new gen rumor cycle, it is going to be the same this time.
I guess they forgot that I'm the one who brought the PS4 & Wii U specs here

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ps4-...d-7970-gpu-steamroller-cpu-16gb-flash.477540/
 
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Never heard of that member at B3D and without confirmation from mods I would not believe it. The specs are safe if not optimistic guesses based on known technology.