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[WIRED] Exclusive with Mark Cerny, PS5 specs detailed

Something tells me that Sony can afford to do this because they know there isn't but so much that MS can change given this information.

There's quite a few things they can change actually.

It just seems like a bad move to give your competition a possible floor n an areas that gave you arguably your biggest advantage the last 5 years. But I guess we'll find out soon.
 

Saber

Gold Member
Well, as I said upthread, I personally hope it is expensive as it means they’re not half assing anything. But it depends how many they want to sell in the first year. Sony is at the point where people are so locked into their platform, they can say ‘people will buy one eventually’ when they drop the price.

From my point of view, they might want to throw hard the specs to back up the reasoning of pricing. But after the PS4 Pro I'm not so sure it could be that impactating. They had the idea of creating 2 versions for the sake of tastes. Maybe they will do that again.
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Support 8K?

Does anyone here actually own a 8K TV?

It is called future proofing, but only in support. Do not expect 8K games. Expect great features though from the HDMI 2.1+ spec and photo algorithms for virtual photographers and photomode in games. As well as if Netflix rolls out their 8K streaming.

8K sets are releasing this year by almost every manufacturer as well.
 
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It is called future proofing, but only in support. Do not expect 8K games. Expect great features though from the HDMI 2.1+ spec and photo algorithms for virtual photographers and photomode in games.

8K sets are releasing this year by almost every manufacturer as well.

We actually have had 8kTV's for two years now. Just they weren't feature rich like the 4k ones with HDR40, 120hrz, dolby atmos, etc. etc.

But 8k will likely take a much longer time to be standard than 4k,which technically still isn't standard but is very close.
 

Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
BC pretty much lets them price it at $500 in my book. Its true that down the road not many people utilize BC (obviously there are exceptions like how Black Ops 2 exploded on Xbox One for a little while). But for early adopters aka the hardcore, BC is a huge deal.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
We actually have had 8kTV's for two years now. Just they weren't feature rich like the 4k ones with HDR40, 120hrz, dolby atmos, etc. etc.

But 8k will likely take a much longer time to be standard than 4k,which technically still isn't standard but is very close.

I know we have, but not every manufacturer had a set, they are starting the mainstream roll out in similar fashion to the 4K one now.
 

Airbus Jr

Banned
It is called future proofing, but only in support. Do not expect 8K games. Expect great features though from the HDMI 2.1+ spec and photo algorithms for virtual photographers and photomode in games. As well as if Netflix rolls out their 8K streaming.

8K sets are releasing this year by almost every manufacturer as well.

Good

I have no interest to replace my 4K TV i bought last year

Gona ride it out until its dead
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Good

I have no interest to replace my 4K TV i bought last year

Gona ride it out until its dead

You will be plenty fine, I don't have plans either. I will be sticking with 4K for quite a long while. Another good thing about the "8K support", it all but confirms VRR since it is in that HDMI 2.1 spec. And almost all of Sony's new TVs this year will have VRR, fast switching, auto game mode with lower latency focus. With all their entertainment entities working together more, these are all signs of what the spec in the PS5 will entail.
 
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demigod

Member
I wonder if they'll just call it PlayStation due to the 25 anniversary coming up next year and Cerny kept calling it next-gen console.
It would make sense to just call the consoles PlayStation from here on out due to continuation and go with E.g. PlayStation (2027).

Playstation One. Followed by Playstation One P.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I wonder if they'll just call it PlayStation due to the 25 anniversary coming up next year and Cerny kept calling it next-gen console.
It would make sense to just call the consoles PlayStation from here on out due to continuation and go with E.g. PlayStation (2027).

Technically it is this year (in Japan) isn't it? But they can still ride it out within 2020 as being within the 25 years of PlayStation since launch.
 
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Shin

Banned
Technically it is this year (in Japan) isn't it? But they can still ride it out within 2020 as being within the 25 years of PlayStation since launch.
Japan doesn't count cuz they moved their building ahaha, but yeah it was/is December 3, 1994.
Though they can still use NA or EU's year count who knows with things being like smartphone like releases give or take.
 

Kagero

Member
People just don't understand that it's not just any SSD. They are usually some form of an M2.SSD or a NVMe drive. The hard drive will look like this.

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I have one of these in my PC. Boots up from cold start in a couple of seconds. I'm expecting the PS5 will have a modern version of this which would make it even faster. My guess is the OS will be stored on this with a separate slower SSD for game storage. Super excited.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Japan doesn't count cuz they moved their building ahaha, but yeah it was/is December 3, 1994.
Though they can still use NA or EU's year count who knows with things being like smartphone like releases give or take.

Yeah, they can still get away with it. They can just run the slogan, "25 years of PlayStation". Even for a whole year after that launch date.
 

magnumpy

Member
good to see ray-tracing confirmed (or path tracing, or whatever)

and an SSD! so this will launch with a low end version and a high end version? high end version $600?
 

Shin

Banned
Yeah, they can still get away with it. They can just run the slogan, "25 years of PlayStation". Even for a whole year after that launch date.
No new fonts with every release and all that, saves them money and by the time a new model is out consumers shouldn't have much of an issue to distinguish them.
We'll see though.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
good to see ray-tracing confirmed (or path tracing, or whatever)

and an SSD! so this will launch with a low end version and a high end version? high end version $600?

They didn't say anything about releasing multiple versions.
 
I think Sony has learnt that PC gaming is taking a little market share away from console gaming. So any new console has to have something that differentiates it above most gaming PCs.

Instant high-end gaming (via NVMe SSD) and seamless integration between the OS and playing games would be something you can't get with a PC because of Windows and all these horrible clients u need these days (Epic, Origin, MS Store etc).
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
No new fonts with every release and all that, saves them money and by the time a new model is out consumers shouldn't have much of an issue to distinguish them.
We'll see though.

They are definitely keeping the branding consistent moving forward I think.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
I also just want to point out that those of you expect next to none existent old times? Keep your head in check.

Spider-Man is a very low end game when it comes to its memory usage.

Next gen games will have far higher memory requirements.

No it won’t be as bad as current hdds, but it won’t be instant like some people think. But if worked in combination with streaming data that coming up, you will see a lot of benefit regardless.

But the kicker then becomes what hdd size? Because a 2tb ssd is the absolute minimum, when big budget next gen games will likely be upward of 150gb+ At least, and... those ain’t cheap.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
I also just want to point out that those of you expect next to none existent old times? Keep your head in check.

Spider-Man is a very low end game when it comes to its memory usage.

Next gen games will have far higher memory requirements.

No it won’t be as bad as current hdds, but it won’t be instant like some people think. But if worked in combination with streaming data that coming up, you will see a lot of benefit regardless.

But the kicker then becomes what hdd size? Because a 2tb ssd is the absolute minimum, when big budget next gen games will likely be upward of 150gb+ At least, and... those ain’t cheap.

I don't expect it but have seen in more then one spot that the talk at GDC was one of the big PS5 marketing tools was going to be no load times.
 

Shin

Banned
RuthenicCookie stays winning so far, I assume the question got dodged because IT IS $500.
Also this might have been the small reveal that he hinted since it's closer to E3...controlled leak?
I mean no one else knew about all the stuff he did, he was literally the only one that outted so much info.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
I wonder if 8 cores Zen2 would be enough to brute force ps3 emulation, without per game optimizations?
How SIMD able is Zen2 expected to be?

Depending on the frequency of the new chip, the way they can optimise their way out of the very wide 128 x 128 bits register file and super fast 256 KB of Local Storage the SPE's have, well..I think this puppy could have a fair chance as it is a wide high end desktop class CPU core.
 

Elenchus

Banned
As I was reading I thought this had to be fake, it's just so random. But nope.

Seems a little anticlimactic. Console sounds great but this is too far ahead of E3 to take any wind out of MS’s announcements and I’m not sure an article could do that even if released on the day of E3. Guess now we get a Nintendo direct style drop of game trailers but it probably won’t be much since they said they didn’t have enough to justify a show.
 

UltimaKilo

Gold Member
Sounding like a console powerful enough to take us deep into the 2020s. Assuming there will be a Pro at some point, this can be a 7 year console.
 

demigod

Member
I also just want to point out that those of you expect next to none existent old times? Keep your head in check.

Spider-Man is a very low end game when it comes to its memory usage.

Next gen games will have far higher memory requirements.

No it won’t be as bad as current hdds, but it won’t be instant like some people think. But if worked in combination with streaming data that coming up, you will see a lot of benefit regardless.

But the kicker then becomes what hdd size? Because a 2tb ssd is the absolute minimum, when big budget next gen games will likely be upward of 150gb+ At least, and... those ain’t cheap.

You're not getting 2tb SSD. If anything it'll be 1tb first.

$500, RuthenicCookie stays winning so far, I assume the question got dodged because IT IS $500.

Here's to hoping he's right about mid 2019 reveal. Honestly I think they will reveal it right around E3 with their own PSX.
 
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Elios83

Member
Nice surprise, the marketing intent is kinda obvious, they want to officially join the next gen conversation and start building hype but they're carefully not revealing key performance infos but just general architectural specs.
The console being built around SSD is the huge news here. Having the latest generation of Zen cores plus a way to stream datas incredibly fast will do amazing things for open world games, it will be an incredible leap compared to PS4.
Ray tracing support in Navi is an other cool aspect but it will be interesting to understand how it's implemented. A purely software solution would be weak performance wise but dedicated hardware like the RTX cores might take away too much silicon space. I wonder if this is one of the aspects where the ''customizations'' they asked and worked on with AMD will take place. Maybe some CUs have customized shaders that are better than standard ones at ray tracing calculations but developers still can use them like normal shader if they wish to?
Backwards compatibility is nice, it was a given in my opinion given the architectural similarities with PS4. I wonder if the games will be improved or if they will be emulated as they originally were to keep open the lucrative market of remasters.
RAM amount is an other key missing detail, probably not even set in stone, but I hope they go at least with 24GB of memory, 16GB all for the games and 8GB for the OS and non gaming functions.
In any case it's clear that this will be a huge jump compared to PS4 and with these features (especially the SSD) I think that they have decided to go for the 499$ launch price.
 
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