mejin
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xbox division was pushed to a whole bigger division cause it was bleeding money. it was the only for it to survive.
but now Spencer has money to burn. they are ready to destroy the market. that's MS for you.
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xbox division was pushed to a whole bigger division cause it was bleeding money. it was the only for it to survive.
but now Spencer has money to burn. they are ready to destroy the market. that's MS for you.
McHuj
Member
Yeah, I don't buy the BW. This would require the very high end GDDR6 chips and would require running them at the highest voltage. I think they'll have to go for a 14 Gbps speed. Maybe I'll be surprised.
However, the odd 20GB RAM size is possible. I could see them cutting down the bus for yields like Nvidia has done in their desktop GPUs.
thelastword
Banned
Those unlimited cash reserves always bear it's head.....MS has all this money they say, because the windows money belongs to the XBOX division, the XBOX division should not be profitable and finance itself, the server business belongs to the XBOX division.....An unlimited wad of cash at Phil's disposal, but yet, the XBOX division was on the verge of shutting down a number of years ago.....We really need to know how business work.......Can Sony take all the movie division profit and sink it into playstation? So what happens to the movie division the year following, it's growth and investments?
Funny, we've heard many similar things before......MS has all that cash, why don't they buy the industry then, it's that easy.....Tencent, Activision, 2Kgames, EA, Konami, Capcom., Square....It would be over now innit?
Yet, everytime I hear about the unlimited cash reserves, I realize it's the same rhetoric that has proven ineffective over the years, with many empty shells all littered about, which suggests many failed attempts at persuasion and many hyped projects falling to the ground like the buildings in Crackdown 3.......Perhaps the marketing guy at MS needs to move on.......When all you can come up with is hype that quickly reaches a deflating point, then it's time to move unto a new strategy........."How about, not hype things up and just deliver them.....But at this point "MS marketing is like this", always talking about it's widespread prowess....and trying to bank on that....In essence...
1.)We will never relinquish power to the opposition
2.)We created Direct X, no one will beat us on Software
3.)The most powerful console, the highest quality pixels ever seen, True 4k, none of that upscaling and CB stuff
4.)Unlimited power of the Cloud, we could launch a console on intel HD graphics and a pentium processor and still beat the competition by tapping into that unlimited cloud power......
5.)No company will beat MS with game streaming, because of Azure and all that server power...
6.)Hololens will crush VR and it's much superior tech...
So that type of marketing has to go, unless you're delivering......MS marketing is like a spoiled rich kid who says "This is my Dad's mall", calling people peasants and shouting at females why aren't they interested and sleeping with him "because he has a Lambo parked outside"........albeit, with that desperation in his eyes and a shaky tone.......So cue those Don Mattrick styled gifs at console launchtime stampedes near you....
Funny, we've heard many similar things before......MS has all that cash, why don't they buy the industry then, it's that easy.....Tencent, Activision, 2Kgames, EA, Konami, Capcom., Square....It would be over now innit?
Yet, everytime I hear about the unlimited cash reserves, I realize it's the same rhetoric that has proven ineffective over the years, with many empty shells all littered about, which suggests many failed attempts at persuasion and many hyped projects falling to the ground like the buildings in Crackdown 3.......Perhaps the marketing guy at MS needs to move on.......When all you can come up with is hype that quickly reaches a deflating point, then it's time to move unto a new strategy........."How about, not hype things up and just deliver them.....But at this point "MS marketing is like this", always talking about it's widespread prowess....and trying to bank on that....In essence...
1.)We will never relinquish power to the opposition
2.)We created Direct X, no one will beat us on Software
3.)The most powerful console, the highest quality pixels ever seen, True 4k, none of that upscaling and CB stuff
4.)Unlimited power of the Cloud, we could launch a console on intel HD graphics and a pentium processor and still beat the competition by tapping into that unlimited cloud power......
5.)No company will beat MS with game streaming, because of Azure and all that server power...
6.)Hololens will crush VR and it's much superior tech...
So that type of marketing has to go, unless you're delivering......MS marketing is like a spoiled rich kid who says "This is my Dad's mall", calling people peasants and shouting at females why aren't they interested and sleeping with him "because he has a Lambo parked outside"........albeit, with that desperation in his eyes and a shaky tone.......So cue those Don Mattrick styled gifs at console launchtime stampedes near you....
shark sandwich
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10 RAM chips @ 2GB each would make sense. That would put it at 320-bit bus, 520 - 800 GB/s bandwidth depending on what speed they go with.
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Freeman454
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I dont understand what sony fans are afraid of regarding MS and their huge resources. If they dont feel MS can do another 360/ps3 again, why post here in a ps topic about how bad MS is and how great Sony, confirmation, unsure what the future might bring?
bitbydeath
Member
I don't know if it's true or not ?
I can’t think of a single time Tidux has ever been right about anything before.
bitbydeath
Member
I agree waiting for the specs is the best thing. Nobody knows any of their plans right now.
Klayzer
Member
I don't think Sony or Nintendo will ever able to compete with Microsoft's pr department. Say what you will about it, you can't never say its ineffective. Media and a large portion of gamers buy in to those bullet points you posted every single time.
nowhat
Member
PR perhaps, but their marketing department seems to be on crack constantly. Some examples:
- Xbox -> Xbox 360 -> Xbox One - in what universe does that make sense?
- Xbox One S / Xbox One X - while the difference is clear in writing, very much less so when spoken, just needlessly confusing for the consumers
- Xbox One S All-Digital edition - really, they couldn't figure out it'd be called "SAD edition"?
- And my personal all-time favourite - calling transferring songs wirelessly between Zunes (a pretty terrible name in itself) "squirting". I shit you not.
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
Lol, I didn't catch that it would be the 'SAD' edition, that's awesome! But I can't leave the house right now, my Zune has the squirts...
Gamernyc78
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Did you miss the first 2-3 years of the Xbox One? MS' PR was horrible.
McHuj
Member
I just don't think they'll be able to hit near the 800 GB/s BW as that variant will use too much power, closer to 600 is probably correct. I'm hoping for a surprise of HMB instead.
Daymos
Member
I think they really cheapened the impact of the ps5 by having the ps4 pro (and the xbox 1 X). With that "1/2 step" ps4 pro in there it's only 50% as interesting as a whole new generation... then the xbox 1 X is like a 3/4ths step, and no one even bothered to buy that.
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joe_zazen
Member
aint that the truth. Otoh, that is why ms has a lair of slime on everything they do for those perceptive enough to see it.
joe_zazen
Member
The gen leap is zero loading times and 5-10X cpu speed.
I FUCKING loathe loading times and slow ass menus and ui, and couldn't give a toss about resolution and graphics in comparison. So I am very happy with the next gen and see it as a huge improvement.
The downside of next gen is streaming is most likely going to ruin things by strangulating local hardware, and the American giants are going to pump money into gaming until all the other platforms go away so they can control that part of the planet’s tech just like they control social media, search, cloud, etc. I wish our world wasnt Planet America, but oh well. At least I speak english so i am not shut out completely.
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Aceofspades
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PS5 and Anaconda architecture will be mostly the same with minimal differences due to clockspeeds and variations in Ram sizes.
CPU:
I expect both will have 3.2Ghz Zen 2.
GPU:
exact number of CU cores between the two.
PS5: 1.8Ghz 14.2 Teraflops
Anaconda: 1.6Ghz 12.6 Teraflops or it might be clocked higher to 2.0Ghz for 15.6 TF.
difference will be minimal in both cases between the two.
This is my personal take so take with a grain of salt.
CPU:
I expect both will have 3.2Ghz Zen 2.
GPU:
exact number of CU cores between the two.
PS5: 1.8Ghz 14.2 Teraflops
Anaconda: 1.6Ghz 12.6 Teraflops or it might be clocked higher to 2.0Ghz for 15.6 TF.
difference will be minimal in both cases between the two.
This is my personal take so take with a grain of salt.
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wordslaughter
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I have a very tough time imagining a GPU in a console clocked at 2.0GHz. Even 1.8 sounds too high TBH. I'd be surprised if it hits 1.5.
Even the Radeon VII can only overclock to about 1950mhz, what magic are we expecting of Navi?
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LuvOfThaGame
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When you see posts like these from TLW, you know MS is doing something right.
Not sure why you wouldn't be rather discussing the great news from sony. Everyone should be happy where gaming is at with their respects platforms. No need for these spooked responses.
Aceofspades
Banned
It expect both Sony and MS will be implementing advance water cooling solutions that can help them reach higher clocking speeds, combine that with Navi power efficiencies and you can get to around 14-15 Tf
KormaChameleon
Member
The SSD must surely be 500gb to keep the cost of the unit down?
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Oh please who started the 'MS unlimited cash' thing again? Every time we hear this nonsense.
For what it's worth Sony also turns in billions of profits each year for the last 2-3 years now. Not as much as MS but then again Sony is a 50-60% Playstation business, so Sony actually have much larger funds available to them than MS, which is super ironic isn't it? Xbox must be about 10%, if that, of MS revenue.
For what it's worth Sony also turns in billions of profits each year for the last 2-3 years now. Not as much as MS but then again Sony is a 50-60% Playstation business, so Sony actually have much larger funds available to them than MS, which is super ironic isn't it? Xbox must be about 10%, if that, of MS revenue.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Thts too little. I think it has to be at least 1tb.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Yes Sony's gaming division has been making more profit than Xbox division year in and out. Ignorant ppl think tht just because Xbox is attached to Microsoft they have infinite Microsoft funds lol no!!! All these divisions have budgets they need to adhere too and investors.
hivsteak
Member
All the console leaks we’ve been talking about are speculation, but this, this would lead to some real console leaks!
SaucyJack
Member
It’s hard to tell now. Gaming is within a segment called “More Personal Computing” which comprises about 1/3 of MS net revenue.
More Personal Computing also includes Windows, Surface and PC accessories and also search advertising on Bing. You would imagine that the lion's share of that profit is from Windows.
Most of MS growth has been coming from their other two segments: Productivity & Business Processes and Intelligent Cloud
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thelastword
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Well, their PR is not working.......Good PR is followed by delivery......Their PR is mostly based on bluff and a Johnny Bravoesque'd pitch, a snake-oilsman type spiel if you will....It's not working...They can't grow their base with such......The people buying XBONEX are not new people, they're the same diehard Xbox fans which were always going to buy it anyway, and yet, some of those even waited when it was available of up to -$300 with a trade-in at gamespot or when it was $350 with a wack of games.....
Your PR is drek when you have no choice but to offer an XBONEX -$300 with a trade in for a PRO or -$250 with a PS4 trade in, when just moments before, you were on your high horse talking about "the most powerful console, true 4k and highest quality pixels" and that the console is more than worth the $500 asking price....So if it's all worth it and PR is all that great, why can it be found for much less than a PRO for well over a year now. People are buying PRO's at higher prices than they do XBONEX, even when both are available.....MS PR or management can't see the forest for the trees, they felt lack of power is what caused them to slip on the banana peel, they fixed that and now they're miffed that PS4 is still selling better.....Right now, I wish I could get a gif to signal the state of confusion over at MS right now.......I could imagine is straight up pandemonium........"what shall we do?" but I bet you, it will all go back to the ever recurring decimal......Just wait for E3 and it will be "the most powerful console, best thing since sliced bread, endless power, this feature is going to revolutionize gaming" all over again..........How many of these failed attempts and hype speeches "sans delivery" are people going to listen to, till they just auto-passby......
At this point, just pay attention to people or rather their reactions when Lord Aaron Greenberg or King Spencer hypes anything up.......They paid several mexican audience members to fake hype the X018 event with cheers, no genuine emotion from what I saw....Journalists are being promised stash and paid to write articles, that's MS PR for you....Just check a recent 5 things XBOX 2 must do to beat PS5 by trustedreviews, I'm surprised it has not been posted yet and all those articles suggesting Sony is in trouble for next gen etc....and MS is making big moves for next gen, whilst Sony is just being complacent, that is so not true, that you would need to be delegated to write such.....Yet, that is MS's underhanded PR for you and everybody can easily see through it, but such moves will never get people to buy your console, actually games do, and being genuine does...
Look at Naughty Dog with TLOU, they just speak about some tech they're using in TLOU for animations, the TR guy blew a gasket on social media attacking them and yet shadow of TR, didn't light the charts on fire or the reviewers, they had several animation hitches and glitches in that game......Naughty never come out and say, this is going to be a 95+ game and all games are in trouble, they just work hard to ensure delivery and are nervous that their games will not be received well, instead of that cocky attitide displayed elsewhere....The same for Cory Barlog, one of the most humble developers around....All of that is part of the good PR machinery.....
One of the best PR bits last gen was when Shu Yoshida and PR guru Adam Boyes did this video.......
Or when, Jack Tretton sits down with a journalist or when he delivered his speech at E3 2013, the same with Andrew House. all calm and collected, not hyping things out the wazoo that we see elsewhere.....How about PS2's reveal ($299), just $299 and he walked off stage.......Now that's good PR......Or when Cerny is talking hardware, you want to listen instead of the fake hype from Spencer or the drivel from Aaron Greenberg......I don't want to hear these guys talk about hardware or watch more reels of "highest quality pixels", that means nothing to me, I want an engineer like Cerny to explain the intricate details and tell me what I want to know, I want to learn something. Most of what I've spoken about can be seen in the first few minutes of this video below....
Klayzer
Member
That only proves my point. Without great PR Microsoft would have never been able to recover and make the public intrested in its platform again.
Shin
Banned
Not sure if that chart should be used as it's aim, in production ATM is 14Gbp/s at all 3 semi-conductors (12Gbp/s at Hynix I think).
JEDEC spec for GDDR6 is 64GB/s (GDDR5 was 28GB/s, Pro achieved 27.2, XO 27.167 quite the feature for both honestly as it's nearly max transfer).
There was/is a rumor about 16GB and 18GB in the system (if it's 18 then I at least hope there's another 8 for BG/UI through LDDR4x).
Here's an example of GTX 2080Ti bandwidth, 11GB x 56GB/s = 616GB/s (not even reaching the max of 64GB/s, case in point the chart is based on what's planned not what's available ATM).
I expect at 12TF machine, but just above it (12,083,200) and that's the best case scenario, CPU speed should be around 3.0 to 3.2 (Gonzalo ID points to the latter, unless they OC it after the recent QS).
Gamernyc78
Banned
I don't think tht was due to PR bcus honestly nothing I've seen or advertised made me say oh they turned their ship around. What turned them around was pressure from the opposition and fans and a necessary reaction because if not it was sink or swim. After the screwed up messaging ppl were watching them. Of course PR plays a part but I don't think it's affect was as strong as you claim. Even with tht let's not forget it hasn't been a Cinderella story with Sony still selling close to double the amount of consoles.
Von Hugh
Member
And fit whole two next-gen games on it?
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
- checks thread title -
Last page is about MS PR with sprinkles of hate instead of focusing on what is good for the next playstation and the thread topic.
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Are you fellas not that impressed with the released information on the next sony console, or just bored now? Some PS fans are mighty contempt with derailing Sony topics. Very odd.
Last page is about MS PR with sprinkles of hate instead of focusing on what is good for the next playstation and the thread topic.
- conclusion -
Are you fellas not that impressed with the released information on the next sony console, or just bored now? Some PS fans are mighty contempt with derailing Sony topics. Very odd.
thelastword
Banned
You think they've recovered? To me I don't see how they have.......The only thing that makes you recover is software.......PS3 recovered from a $600 pricepoint because it had the games...Lots of unique titles and many AAA exclusives, they removed the PS2 chipset, lower the price of PS3 in the latter years to accomodate. The slim PS3 helped alot, but even before that, they already had momentum with their software.....Uncharted, GOW3, GT5 etc....
I've not seen the point in the last 5 years, that MS has gained momentum, if anything, things have dwindled and even moreso of late...All the noise you're hearing for MS is mostly on forums from the diehards.....Recovery means you're attracting the casual gamers, that's the demographic you need to hit....to expand your base....
How many times has 880GB/s been rumored? even when they used different numbers & types of RAM they still use 880GB/s as the bandwidth in these rumors
(I'm guessing it's just people remixing the same rumor to their liking)
www.neogaf.com
(I'm guessing it's just people remixing the same rumor to their liking)
We want to first start off by saying this post is in no way an official endorsement by NeoGAF or it's Staff when it comes to this information since we cannot verify the source. So as such, all information thatOsirisBlack has, and will share moving forward should be treated as rumor and speculation.
This was shared to one of our staff members on Oct, 30th:
Supposed PS5 specs from random Beyond3D member (Silly but this is also how the 1st Wii U specs was leaked)
https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/2058510/ PS5 dev kits in the wild and i've some good news for you System will be revealed close to E3 2019 in Sony's Special event with some mind-blowing tech demos and a few megatons and a release date for Q1-Q2 2020! The Last of Us Part 2's motion...
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I don't know how much stock to put into this guy but he is also saying 14 TF for the Dev Kits.
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
Wonder how legit this is? I was really hoping the final system had 24GB GDDR6 and 8GB DDR4 extra for the OS. Maybe they will do a last minute spec bump like they did with the PS4's RAM!
Shin
Banned
Not possible anymore as the layout out on the mainboard would have to be redone, with PS4 they added +4GB to the other side of the PCB.
I don't recall a time that Tidux was ever right so might not want to read too much into it, but for the sake of discussion you'd go from 20GB to 40GB in this case by deploying the method they used in PS4 (clam-shell).
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
Oh, I had thought they just doubled the chip size on the PS4 and not physically added more chip to the mainboard. I would have thought if it had 20GB it would be two 8GB chips and a 4GB chip bringing it to 20GB, couldn't they just be able to use three 8GB chips instead and bring it to 24GB?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You mean vapor cooling? I don’t think they’re going to be liquid cooled.
Vaper cooling has been around for almost 2 decades now for GPUs. Even what the X uses. It just wasn’t really used in consoles until then.
Microsoft will probably adopt it again, and I do hope Sony follows suit as well.
Insane Metal
Member
Ignore Tidux please.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
MS has an 800 Billion dollar market value to Sony's 60 Billion. They literally can wipe their asses with the Sony's value and not look back.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That’s not how business works, but I get your analogy.
Shin
Banned
It was physically added, they occupied the same spot just on both sides of the board instead of on a single side, mirror image.
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
Huh, I didn't know that, I had though the number of chips was always planned to be the same and that they just doubled the density of the chips to get to 8GB. Thanks for the info!
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I was being generous with the 10%. Xbox division is probably even smaller slice of MS pie.
So I wonder how many more AAA exclusives and marketing deals Sony will fund this generation with their much bigger budget than MS allocates Xbox?
I mean there's already the rumour GTA6 is exclusive for a month for silly money. Xbox division would not be able to fund that deal most prob. I mean there's buying studios that are close to folding for bargain prices, and then there is getting deals like this or funding AAA exclusive development like GoW, Spiderman, TLOU2 etc etc.
All evidence suggests Xbox division does not have the money to fund multiple similar, $50-100m titles. Which is a funny twist on the narrative, huh.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I believe they doubled the density in the Slim and Pro, but don’t quote me on that.
Freeman454
Member
Agree, we dont know anything really. Cerny just came with some buzzwords. 8k is cause its HDMI2.1 spec, RT could be done on Vega56 etc.
True, its a good sign when hes posting crap, means we sony have some competition.
I expect atleast 14TF, i mean we got 16+ TF from Nvidia half a year ago. AMD Radeon VII allready is 14TF. 1.5year from now i sure hope that PS5 has that atleast.
They could buy Sony and release all exclusives to everyone!
thelastword
Banned
It's crazy how tech guys are making fun of advancing tech, props to wired for getting the lowdown........
I think the vapor chamber in XBONEX is overblown, it does it's job don't get me wrong, but it's not new tech or a water block.....This is basically what it is, nothing too fancy......Yet, there's no doubt cooling solutions will improve next gen, there are many better solutions available than what's in the XBONEX..
It's just that anything MS do, their fans overblow it, not you btw.....Imagine the first time they will do VR or when they do streaming (oh Wait...) or perhaps when they put a touchpad on their controller?.......I swear, If MS makes it's analog sticks symmetrical, it would be a game changer, a revolutionary move that would change the face of gaming.....
I hear you though, better cooling is always welcome, but I think the smaller nodes will help alot with thermals........I'm hearing Navi which gives off RTX 2080 performance or better is about 150 watts TDP....