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[Armorian]

I think we will get 10-12 but who knows. Technology has a way of surprising in a year. We might not get real 15TF but equivalent to 15TF image quality and frame rates. Only because its fixed hardware and newer SSD and ram speeds.

RDNA is 25% more efficient than GCN so 10TF GPU will have performance of >12TF GCN part (so twice as powerful as X1X GPU). Biggest Navi so far has over 9TF and 40 CU's (like X1X), I think GPUs in NG consoles will be slighty bigger.

it's you assumption, nothing sure.

Sony: we have nextgen SSD solution
MS: we too!!!

MS: we have Hardware RT
Sony:............ silence........

Can it be that Sony chip is bigger but without Hardware RT and MS sacrifices pure TF power and get with smaller chip plus dedicated hardware RT?

MS responded to what Sony said not the other way around. You can belive what you want but there is 99.9% chance that both GPU's will be almost identical (in terms of features).

 

[gspat]

Jokes on you... Turns out they will be the same machine!

Only thing changing per machine is the branding...

Sony (P)roject (S)carlett 5

 

[ethomaz]

You misinderstand.

Remote play is you accessing your console. Spencer said the scarlet will let you connect to other consoles, which are closer than yours, in order to reduce lag.

That is not what he said lol

Nobody will left their Xbox running the game you want just to you play from another place.

What he said is that every Xbox One can act as a XCloud streaming server.

Just like every PS4 works like a streaming server.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Also very non specific and subjective.. almost like a PR catch phrase!

What it tells us is that if they are likely still going for the "best place to play" tag line, which they can't get enough of at the moment, then regardless of who is the most powerful, we are certain that they have at least not half arsed it this time.

Though one might also suggest it tells us that if they have gone to AMD, asked what's on the table and what's the absolute best they can get out of it, then if they want to keep the tag line for certain, they have to say "OK we will take the 10/10 option". This leaves Sony to go to AMD and ask the same question, and they have two options, the 10/10 model or lesser, depending on their marketing strategy. Sony outsells Xbox 2 to 1. They might not give a shit about the 10/10, knowing that the tribes are likely to pretty much stay where they are, as long as one of them doesn't royally fuck it up. 10/10 model means less profit at the end of the day. But then they might go 10/10 and MS will have to suck it up.

So, it's all up in the air. All we know so far is that some "insiders" claim the PS5 is more powerful and some claim the xbox is more powerful Going to be a long time until we find out what is what.

 

[Ar¢tos]

it's you assumption, nothing sure.

Sony: we have nextgen SSD solution
MS: we too!!!

MS: we have Hardware RT
Sony:............ silence........

Can it be that Sony chip is bigger but without Hardware RT and MS sacrifices pure TF power and get with smaller chip plus dedicated hardware RT?

?!?!?
MS only announced that yesterday.. You expect Sony to do an emergency announcement in the middle of the night to say they also have hardware RT?
...the lack of patience of gamers these days....

 

[ethomaz]

?!?!?
MS only announced that yesterday.. You expect Sony to do an emergency announcement in the middle of the night to say they also have hardware RT?
...the lack of patience of gamers these days....

Well Sony announced that a month ago...

MS... me too.

 

[ABrokenToy]

I foresee Sony haven't some event in October like they did with the announcement of PS4, Cerny up on stage, etc. Then we'll have the MS Event in London and the pissing wars will continue.

 

[Aintitcool]

We will see

Okay, So I want to play Halo Master Chief Collection. But my xbox is too far. So MS will just automatically look at all xbox's turned off right now with the game installed and patched, upload my save game to their console and let me use their internet for free. Because how exactly? The only way this would be possible is in an opt in program. And even than. Nobody has the same games installed on every system. Unless I guess I can install my games on random xbox's in the area too. And I guess I can just ruin hard drives of other people and their download caps.

 

[Snake29]

it's you assumption, nothing sure.

Sony: we have nextgen SSD solution
MS: we too!!!

MS: we have Hardware RT
Sony:............ silence........

Can it be that Sony chip is bigger but without Hardware RT and MS sacrifices pure TF power and get with smaller chip plus dedicated hardware RT?

Wired article:

PlayStation’s next-generation console ticks all those boxes, starting with an AMD chip at the heart of the device. (Warning: some alphabet soup follows.) The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD’s Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company’s new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments. While ray tracing is a staple of Hollywood visual effects and is beginning to worm its way into high-end processors and Nvidia's recently announced RTX line, no game console has been able to manage it. Yet.

This already indicated HW RT and not software like the current GTX series got.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Sony killed Next Xbox before it's even out.

No, Microsoft is killing it themselves (not the good killing it)... Sony is not wasting energy on this.

Now, they also bought 7 new studios this year, my guess is some of them will show of what they're working on sometime before the Xbox Scarlett is released.

 

[luca_29_bg]

it's you assumption, nothing sure.

Sony: we have nextgen SSD solution
MS: we too!!!

MS: we have Hardware RT
Sony:............ silence........

Can it be that Sony chip is bigger but without Hardware RT and MS sacrifices pure TF power and get with smaller chip plus dedicated hardware RT?

Matt on reset era confirmed both will have HW raytracing.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Haha, there’s no way this is true. Where did you see this?

That is not what he said lol

Nobody will left their Xbox running the game you want just to you play from another place.

What he said is that every Xbox One can act as a XCloud streaming server.

Just like every PS4 works like a streaming server.

Okay, So I want to play Halo Master Chief Collection. But my xbox is too far. So MS will just automatically look at all xbox's turned off right now with the game installed and patched, upload my save game to their console and let me use their internet for free. Because how exactly? The only way this would be possible is in an opt in program. And even than. Nobody has the same games installed on every system. Unless I guess I can install my games on random xbox's in the area too. And I guess I can just ruin hard drives of other people and their download caps.

OK. Three people who are more knowledgeable posters than me (no sarcasm) are saying it can't happen. I'll concede that streaming from another users console can't happen.

However, I want you three to keep an open mind on where Microsoft are heading and where they want the Xbox to be.

If teh powahh of

teh cloud was an aim for Microsoft this gen, they're clearly reaching for it again next gen. From what Microsoft have said, in regards to the cloud helping stream textures, backgrounds and physics to a local console, why couldn't another users console do the same?

Consider this; Scarlet can achieve 15tf, has a load of ram a huge hdd space etc. Why couldn't a small percentage of that power, unbeknown to the user, be used to calculate or stream textures, backgrounds and physics on a local area to assist local streamers who are signed up to xbox?

Finally, the objections to internet data caps is an American-centric POV. The UK and Europe have extremely fast internet with no datacaps. Virgin in the UK offer up to 300mpbs with 0 data caps or fair usage policy. Theoretically, I could have a Scarlet in my house that my friends used to stream from when out and about and it wouldn't cost me a penny.

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[Dlacy13g]

Its abundantly clear these machines are going to very close spec wise to the point they are basically the same machine. I think the argument of which one is more powerful is going to ultimately be foolhardy and unnecessary.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Sony haven't leaked or announced any specs.

They released the Scarlet specs

 

[ethomaz]

OK. Three people who are more knowledgeable posters than me (no sarcasm) are saying it can't happen. I'll concede that streaming from another users console can't happen.

However, I want you three to keep an open mind on where Microsoft are heading and where they want the Xbox to be.

If teh powahh of
teh cloud was an aim for Microsoft this gen, they're clearly reaching for it again next gen. From what Microsoft have said, in regards to the cloud helping stream textures, backgrounds and physics to a local console, why couldn't another users console do the same?

Consider this; Scarlet can achieve 15tf, has a load of ram a huge hdd space etc. Why couldn't a small percentage of that power, unbeknown to the user, be used to calculate or stream textures, backgrounds and physics on a local area to assist local streamers who are signed up to xbox?

Finally, the objections to internet data caps is an American-centric POV. The UK and Europe have extremely fast internet with no datacaps. Virgin in the UK offer up to 300mpbs with 0 data caps or fair usage policy. Theoretically, I could have a Scarlet in my house that my friends used to stream from when out and about and it wouldn't cost me a penny.

So you want MS to use your machine to make business with outsiders? That is hard to believe.

The feature is simple like it should be:



You turn the option to your Xbox One act as a Streaming server... so your own account can play game in any device outside your home. There is no XCloud or others Xbox One devices in the process... it is only you and your Xbox One.

Literally no difference from Remote Play that Sony offer since PS3.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

So you want MS to use your machine to make business to others gamers? That is hard to believe.

The feature is simple like it should be:



You turn the option to your Xbox One act as a Streaming server... so your own account can play game in any device outside your home. There is no XCloud or others Xbox One devices in the process... it is only you and your Xbox One.

Literally no difference from Remote Play that Sony offer since PS3.

Gaming has evolved. I now have a family account with friends and family added on there. Why shouldn't they be able to stream games from my Xbox?

 

[ethomaz]

Gaming has evolved. I now have a family account with friends and family added on there. Why shouldn't they be able to stream games from my Xbox?

Because you can only stream the games attached to the account that is running on your Xbox One "server" with the account that owns the games.

It is a personal feature... your account access your games via stream outside your home.

Now if you share your account to your friends or family... sure they will be able to stream just like you... but only one per time because the game is running in your local Xbox One.

BTW I think you have the wrong ideia of streaming... streaming just send the video to the client... there is no texture or assets being transfered involved... that is processed to create the video stream in the hardware the game is running.
To another Xbox One help your stream it needs to be running the same game than you receiving the same gameplay inputs you send to your won Xbox One.

If you have to receive assets and textures to be processed locally it is not streaming anymore.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Because you can only stream the games attached to the account that is running on your Xbox One "server" with the account that owns the games.

It is a personal feature... your account access your games via stream outside your home.

Now if you share your account to your friends or family... sure they will be able to stream just like you... but only one per time because the game is running in your local Xbox One.

BTW I think you have the wrong ideia of streaming... streaming just send the video to the client... there is no texture or assets being transfered involved... that is processed to create the video stream in the hardware the game is running.
To another Xbox One help your stream it needs to be running the same game than you receiving the same gameplay inputs you send to your won Xbox One.

If you have to receive assets and textures to be processed locally it is not streaming anymore.

Could it be possible to render a game locally and also render a game for streaming?

For example; I have a Scarlet. My brother, who lives 50 miles away, is visiting a friend near me (or any other example you want to use). I have him on my friends and family account. He requests access to my scarlet so he can stream games to his phone.

My scarlet, then renders my game in (equivalent to Xbox One X specs) locally and remotely. In effect my Scarlet becomes 2x Xbox One X. So instead of 4k 120fps, I now have 4k 30fps or 1080p 60fps and he has the same?

To get really wild. I'm playing Apex legends or fortnite on my xbox scarlet. He is on his mobile phone. We want a quick game together but the latency of him streaming and being online. Could it be possible to render all of the game on my scarlet and send him only the streamed data. Like, instead of his inputs going to the Apex server, his inputs come to my Scarlet, to be processed, before being sent out to the server?

 

[ethomaz]

Could it be possible to render a game locally and also render a game for streaming?

For example; I have a Scarlet. My brother, who lives 50 miles away, is visiting a friend near me (or any other example you want to use). I have him on my friends and family account. He requests access to my scarlet so he can stream games to his phone.

My scarlet, then renders my game in (equivalent to Xbox One X specs) locally and remotely. In effect my Scarlet becomes 2x Xbox One X. So instead of 4k 120fps, I now have 4k 30fps or 1080p 60fps and he has the same?

To get really wild. I'm playing Apex legends or fortnite on my xbox scarlet. He is on his mobile phone. We want a quick game together but the latency of him streaming and being online. Could it be possible to render all of the game on my scarlet and send him only the streamed data. Like, instead of his inputs going to the Apex server, his inputs come to my Scarlet, to be processed, before being sent out to the server?

Possible yes... you can render in more than one machine the same game.

But it is a game and you need to send your control/actions to all machines and if one receive it late or early the experience will be affected.

So practically it is an really impossible task.

And I'm sure your Scarlett won't render two games instances at the same time... it is made to run only one game instance per time... all gaming resources goes to that instance.


But thinking a bit more what you described is Share Play... your machine render a instance of the game and you play together with your brother like it was near you using the second controller on your console... CoOp or split-screen.

That is exactly what Share Play does.

For all proposes both you and your brother are playing a game in your own Scarlett but you locally and your brother via streaming.

That is called Share Play.

 

[KlickKlack]

Wired article:



This already indicated HW RT and not software like the current GTX series got.

in you quote speaks only about "Raytracing", not one word about "HARDWARE based", can be software based.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Possible yes... you can render in more than one machine the same game.

But it is a game and you need to send your control/actions to all machines and if one receive it late or early the experience will be affected.

So practically it is an really impossible task.

And I'm sure your Scarlett won't render two games instances at the same that... it is made to run only one game instance per time... all gaming resources goes to that instance.


But thinking a bit more what you described is Share Play... your machine render a instance of the game and you play together with your brother like it was near you using the second controller on your console... CoOp or split-screen.

That is exactly what Share Play does.

For all proposes you both or you are playing a game in your own Scarlett but you locally and your brother via streaming.

That is called Share Play.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[KlickKlack]

So you want MS to use your machine to make business with outsiders? That is hard to believe.

The feature is simple like it should be:



You turn the option to your Xbox One act as a Streaming server... so your own account can play game in any device outside your home. There is no XCloud or others Xbox One devices in the process... it is only you and your Xbox One.

Literally no difference from Remote Play that Sony offer since PS3.

you can play you ps4 games library on you smartphone during a train ride to other city or country?

or only in you home network?

with MS solution you xbox is you cloud server for playing games on the go overall in the world.

 

[ethomaz]

in you quote speaks only about "Raytracing", not one word about "HARDWARE based", can be software based.

"The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments. While ray tracing is a staple of Hollywood visual effects and is beginning to worm its way into high-end processors and Nvidia's recently announced RTX line, no game console has been able to manage it. Yet. "

Cerny was pretty clear about being a custom feature in hardware... even comparing to nVidia RTX support.

 

[ethomaz]

you can play you ps4 games library on you smartphone during a train ride to other city or country?

or only in you home network?

with MS solution you xbox is you cloud server for playing games on the go overall in the world.

Yes.

Any place since the internet you have support the streaming (both sides but your home internet should have good upstream).
I already did Raids on Destiny playing with my Vita in a travel hotel 500km from my home.

You can do that since PS3... it is not a exclusive feature of PS4.

And yes RemotePlay app exists for Vita, PC (Windows and MAC), Android (seems to be locked to Xperia's phones for weird reasons) and iOS (iPhone, iPad, etc).

PS. MS marketing is really making gamers things they are being innovative with features from a decade ago? You guys have no ideia how MS is behind in gaming features

 

[Tesseract]

if we're talking about a 6g world, none of this stuff will matter much as you'll be streaming everything everywhere

 

[ethomaz]

The three way Remote Play works.
The last one is using internet so you can access it in any place in the world since there is internet good enough for that.
BTW you don't choose the way it is automatically choose based in the optimal streaming (aka if you reach near your PS4 if shift to direct remove play... if you go far away if shift to local network remote play and if you outside it will use internet remote play).

 

[Chairman Tickles]

Since they're using literally the same gpu+cpu SOC from AMD, the only way to up the ante is to take a bigger loss on the cooling solution which in turn bloats the case. I.e if sony wants the PS5 to be faster than scarlet, they will have to overclock their amd SOC or have it retain more shader cores and provide the appropriate cooler plus extra physical headroom/size. Bigger console with more aggressive active cooling = more expensive to manufacture. Is 20-30% better performance at these diminishing return levels really worth even a 10% manufacturing cost increase? Doubt it.

The biggest step up from this generation will be the cpu and fast storage. Scarlet will provide that too even if its slower overall. People won't notice a gpu+ryzen cpu bump at this level because what they're getting is a HUGE jump vs the xbox one x graphically, largely unleashed thanks to a decent cpu.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You misinderstand.

Remote play is you accessing your console. Spencer said the scarlet will let you connect to other consoles, which are closer than yours, in order to reduce lag.

Oh that will go down so well, MS introducing a seeding method in 2020. People will just love that security loophole and bandwidth robbery.

No, that is not what is going to happen. And if so, RIP xCloud with all that backlash.

You are falling for PR speak that the competition has been doing this whole time with PSNow and GeForce Now.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

it's you assumption, nothing sure.

Sony: we have nextgen SSD solution
MS: we too!!!

MS: we have Hardware RT
Sony:............ silence........

Can it be that Sony chip is bigger but without Hardware RT and MS sacrifices pure TF power and get with smaller chip plus dedicated hardware RT?

has sony given clear info about ps5 RT?

MS has 100% hardware RT.....
whar about Sony?
Answers only with/from official Sony Sources pls.

in you quote speaks only about "Raytracing", not one word about "HARDWARE based", can be software based.

Matt on reset era confirmed both will have HW raytracing.

Klick,.it's a h/w based RT in PS5. Like info from AMD showed, like Naughty Dog employee tweeted before, like a well known insider Matt said ( like member luca mentioned him ) :

Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA OT

The architecture is RDNA though. Navi is its implementation, similar to how Polaris and Vega were implementations of GCN, 4 and 5 respectively.

www.resetera.com

 

[Deputy Moonman]

I was there day one on ps4 will be there day one for ps4. Uncharted 4 and horizon zero dawn are my favorite of this generation.

That isn't much of a commitment

 

[DeepEnigma]

So much for 13-15 TF beast

I know you are just baiting, but call us when your beloved Nintendo reaches at least 1TF. Yeah?

 

[Murdoch]

I want one them to go AMD and one to go with Nvidia. Give us some real differences for a chance

 

[VincentMatts]

If thats the case, then MS will lose next gen too. I know its not all about "power" but considering xbox doesnt have the brand recognition that playstation does, they absolutely need a more powerful box (even if its ever so slightly) if they plan on even standing a chance against sony imo.

If this is true, MS already lost.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

My scarlet, then renders my game in (equivalent to Xbox One X specs) locally and remotely. In effect my Scarlet becomes 2x Xbox One X. So instead of 4k 120fps, I now have 4k 30fps or 1080p 60fps and he has the same?

It's not just the GPU, you also need to run the game's logic twice (CPU/RAM bandwidth) load and stream assets from the HDD, etc. Also, if you play multi-player this will strain your connection out for the video/gaming packets, both sites may get laggy.

Anyway, the streaming itself (encoding, pushing to network) should be handled by dedicated hardware, if they work like the PS4 does, that portion is mostly free.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Klick,.it's a h/w based RT in PS5. Like info from AMD showed, like Naughty Dog employee tweeted before, like a well known insider Matt said ( like member luca mentioned him ) :

Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA OT

The architecture is RDNA though. Navi is its implementation, similar to how Polaris and Vega were implementations of GCN, 4 and 5 respectively.

www.resetera.com

Looks like KlickKlack is shitposting once again, on this fine morning. Sony already covered their bases with a soft reveal. Hardware Based RT, Navi2, and an SSD solution not even on the market to reduce loading times significantly.
They even talked about the hardware being powerful enough to hit 8k resolution at 120FPS... all before Microsoft did. Now, say what you will, but I think both are talking about 8k/120fps as a PR talking point. They might have had those gains in a controlled environment, but rendering something like FFVIIR with those numbers in mind is laughable. It's basically I'll believe it when I see it and that wouldn't be for a long-ass time. I don't plan to buy an 8K TV for the foreseeable future. No content. It would be some stupid vanity purchase.

 

[ABrokenToy]

Looks like KlickKlack is shitposting once again, on this fine morning. Sony already covered their bases with a soft reveal. Hardware Based RT, Navi2, and an SSD solution not even on the market to reduce loading times significantly.
They even talked about the hardware being powerful enough to hit 8k resolution at 120FPS... all before Microsoft did. Now, say what you will, but I think both are talking about 8k/120fps as a PR talking point. They might have had those gains in a controlled environment, but rendering something like FFVIIR with those numbers in mind is laughable. It's basically I'll believe it when I see it and that wouldn't be for a long-ass time. I don't plan to buy an 8K TV for the foreseeable future. No content. It would be some stupid vanity purchase.

I could see backward compat games hitting 8K

 

[Dr. Claus]

I honestly doubt it's more than a few tens of thousands, maybe a few hundreds of thousands at the most.

To be honest it'd frighten me to know there were that many pervert weirdos out there if it was more.

We perverts are everywhere. In your schools, in your supermarkets, in your house watching you sleep. We are legion.

 

[PennywisetheDancingClown]

Let's hope not.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

I could see backward compat games hitting 8K

That's actually something I can agree with. But we're barely suiting up for 4k.(adoption rate) 8k is still too niche. Maybe they can "x enhance" some games later on down the line when 8k is more widely adopted.

 

[onQ123]

OK. Three people who are more knowledgeable posters than me (no sarcasm) are saying it can't happen. I'll concede that streaming from another users console can't happen.

However, I want you three to keep an open mind on where Microsoft are heading and where they want the Xbox to be.

If teh powahh of
teh cloud was an aim for Microsoft this gen, they're clearly reaching for it again next gen. From what Microsoft have said, in regards to the cloud helping stream textures, backgrounds and physics to a local console, why couldn't another users console do the same?

Consider this; Scarlet can achieve 15tf, has a load of ram a huge hdd space etc. Why couldn't a small percentage of that power, unbeknown to the user, be used to calculate or stream textures, backgrounds and physics on a local area to assist local streamers who are signed up to xbox?

Finally, the objections to internet data caps is an American-centric POV. The UK and Europe have extremely fast internet with no datacaps. Virgin in the UK offer up to 300mpbs with 0 data caps or fair usage policy. Theoretically, I could have a Scarlet in my house that my friends used to stream from when out and about and it wouldn't cost me a penny.

It can happen because Sony already did it with Share Play you can let someone play your PS4 games on their PS4 even when they don't have the game .


but this is up to you & it's not a company giving other people access to your consoles processing power without your say so.

 

[LittleBusters]

This is why Phil didn't tip his hand regarding # cores, #teraflops, amount of system RAM, memory bandwidth. Let Sony guess.

 

[LittleBusters]

Also there is no way Horizon 2 is coming any earlier than 2022 considering how long it takes to make a good AAA game. Sony is blowing their wad with the 'Big 4' they will be releasing through next year. But those are not next-gen titles. Probably won't matter as Sony has good momentum.

 

[Journey]

You don’t need better minds when you are a year late with $100 more budget lol

Actually it was a pretty easy task to build a better system with these conditions.

Of course, just look at the PS3. $100 more and a year later proves that you don’t need clever engineering... oh wait!

 

[bitbydeath]

in you quote speaks only about "Raytracing", not one word about "HARDWARE based", can be software based.

GPU Based = Hardware Based as the GPU is hardware... FYI

 

[Nethernova]

I have no horse in either race, as i game mostly on pc, but i think between the 2 launch consoles next gen, ms will have the stronger hardware. Substantially too. Just a hunch.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Sony haven't leaked or announced any specs.

They released the Scarlet specs

When did they release the Scarlet specs?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

When did they release the Scarlet specs?

This is me being a lazy typer. Specs = details of next gen console.

 

[FranXico]

you can play you ps4 games library on you smartphone during a train ride to other city or country?

or only in you home network?

with MS solution you xbox is you cloud server for playing games on the go overall in the world.

RemotePlay works over the internet. I can play my PS4 games with a laptop anywhere in the world (where internet is available, of course).

I could already play PS3 games (there already were a few small games that supported the feature back then) across Europe, using RemotePlay back in 2007. PixelJunk Eden actually played fine on the PSP via RemotePlay.

 

[FranXico]

I have no horse in either race, as i game mostly on pc, but i think between the 2 launch consoles next gen, ms will have the stronger hardware. Substantially too. Just a hunch.

Worst case scenario. But quite likely, I'm afraid. I hope the difference will not be too large.

Like it or not, Sony is the only company standing between Microsoft and a monopoly. And the day they attain that monopoly... a lot of vindictive SEGA refugees in this board are going to regret supporting Microsoft. I just hope that day comes later rather than sooner. The competition is really driving the industry forward at the moment.

 

[Jesb]

It won’t matter if it’s not. Sony will always have them beat in the most important thing. Games....