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[thelastword]

Ha Wonderful news, Igor has been able to break the limit on 5700 XT and 5700.....

Core Clock Limit on 5700 XT = 2100Mhz
Core Clock Limit on 5700 = 1850Mhz

With Smart Power Play Tables, they can increase the power going to the card and boost Core clocks and even Memory some more....

At Max it looks like 2300Mhz and 1000Mhz on the memory is possible for 5700 XT
At Max it looks like 2100Mhz and 1000Mhz on the memory is possible for 5700


Igor had his on 2200Mhz and kept memory at default (875Mhz) and it seems like this config is enough to match the 2080FE.....

 

[CrustyBritches]

Igor is on the cutting edge of overclocking and his vids are very informative, but even he says this is for very experienced overclockers, it will eventually kill your card even with the best cooling, and that this has little to no bearing on reference cards because of their cooling.

 

[kittoo]

3nm is in the works for 2021 by Samsung and TSMC. It's unclear whether we will reach lower than that, although they are already researching 2.1nm, 1.5nm and 1.0nm.

So if nothing else, the improvements will slow down to a trickle.

 

[thelastword]

Radeon VP on "jebaiting"




02:15 – Scott’s Role As VP and General Manager of the Radeon BU
05:54 – What Did The Hardware Review Community Miss With The Radeon RX 5700 Launch?
10:45 – Radeon Image Sharpening versus NVIDIA DLSS
13:11 – What Happens During The Bring-Up Of A New GPU?
16:15 – Scott’s Thoughts On The Push For Real-Time Ray Tracing
20:23 – How Did AMD Increase IPC With Navi?
21:33 – Explaining The New Radeon RX Series Naming Convention
23:42 – With Such A Small Die Size, How Much Wiggle-Room Does AMD Have to Make Bigger / Smaller GPUs?
25:35 – JEBAITED! Yes, No, Maybe? Scott Explains...
40:21 – Are There Issues With The Radeon RX 5700 Series H.264 Encoding Engine?


Gives an interesting insight on Steam market share metrics.

Great interview...…..There's no way Scott is answering a question on 5800 and 5900, they just launched the 5700 series....Good try though interviewer....

 

[thelastword]

Timmy Joe seems to like Igor's Soft Power Play Tables.....He goes into how much this means for AIB's, which is a no brainer really......You can already get 2100Mhz on a blower cooler, as I said in a prior post, triple axial fans or waterblocks should make the 5700 Navi cards sing....2200-2400Mhz is possible on the XT with better VRM's and a bit more voltage.....I'm sure AMD will let these guys go broke...….And it shows, because as I've said before, I've never seen so many AIB partners on a Radeon GPU before....I think MSI has 4 different tiers of coolers coming just for the 5700XT alone.....ASrock has some very nice looking cards, love to see the Asrock cards tbh and Powercolor has a Devil or Two coming out which should be a beast.....Sapphire has some behemoths coming too and they will have a water solution as well.....Asus has a few coming, just the same.....




News:

It seems that Radeon 7 production ended last month......This is why AMD probably placed a triple fan cooler on there, since there were never any plans for a large production spread and of course there are no AIB Radeon 7's....So what's in the pipeline is what's left....I think content creators should gobble this up whilst they can find it......

 

[LordOfChaos]

News:

It seems that Radeon 7 production ended last month......This is why AMD probably placed a triple fan cooler on there, since there were never any plans for a large production spread and of course there are no AIB Radeon 7's....So what's in the pipeline is what's left....I think content creators should gobble this up whilst they can find it......

I always felt VII existed mostly as a part designed to rack up better binned dies for MI50/60 and what Apple calls Vega II Pro. Or use up harvested dies, whichever way that causality points. It was interesting as a baby compute card more than a gaming one.

The Radeon VII makes sense in the lens of Apple

Like many gamers, I felt thoroughly whelmed on reading reviews of the Radeon VII. Here we have a card coming in months after the Geforce 2080, for the same MRSP, with a generations fabrication process advantage and HBM2, and no silicon spent on special tricks like RTX and DLSS. And despite this...

www.protectiveearth.net

 

[Ascend]

 

[noonjam]

7000 series gave us the "Ghz edition" with a 1ghz stock clocks refresh a number of months after they launched.

I wonder if we will see the same with navi, a "2 Ghz edition" in a couple of months.

 

[thelastword]

This is an onslaught...

 

[Ascend]

 

[CrustyBritches]

Perf/dollar on the 2060 base and 5700 Pro is close enough that a discount down to $310-320 on the 2060 along with an overclock shifts the balance in favor of the 2060.

 

[Insane Metal]

Perf/dollar on the 2060 base and 5700 Pro is close enough that a discount down to $310-320 on the 2060 along with an overclock shifts the balance in favor of the 2060.

Isn it the same way around too?

Edit: you filthy ntard fanboy

 

[CrustyBritches]

Isn it the same way around too?

Edit: you filthy ntard fanboy

How many discounts have you seen on RX 5700 Pro? I've seen 3 2060 deals at $320 and under. 2070 ROG Strix was $400 on newegg. Just responding to some of these youtube vids that I don't watch, but I see their sensationalist headlines and want to take a moment to mention reality.

Looking at how many of the Supers have been sold out while most of the RX 5700 series are readily available. People don't really want the shit blowers. Real missed opportunity to sell people AMD cards to go with AMD CPUs as people are upgrading. Not cool.

 

[Ascend]

And one more...

 

[Insane Metal]

How many discounts have you seen on RX 5700 Pro? I've seen 3 2060 deals at $320 and under. 2070 ROG Strix was $400 on newegg. Just responding to some of these youtube vids that I don't watch, but I see their sensationalist headlines and want to take a moment to mention reality.

Looking at how many of the Supers have been sold out while most of the RX 5700 series are readily available. People don't really want the shit blowers. Real missed opportunity to sell people AMD cards to go with AMD CPUs as people are upgrading. Not cool.

Yea blowers are not cool, literally

ps: of course you know I was joking. Luv ya man <3

 

[CrustyBritches]

Yea blowers are not cool, literally

All these people shilling them should emasculate themselves and buy one. I'll wait a month or two and have a chuckle at all pointless shit they went through. Reminds me of the RX 480 launch with the nasty blower they had and it was pulling too much power from the PCi-e slot, violating the specs. All sorts of people were tweaking with voltage and recommending the card instead of telling people to wait for better AiBs. Just fanboys, really. Just wait for the good shit, you will not regret.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

All these people shilling them should emasculate themselves and buy one. I'll wait a month or two and have a chuckle at all pointless shit they went through. Reminds me of the RX 480 launch with the nasty blower they had and it was pulling too much power from the PCi-e slot, violating the specs. All sorts of people were tweaking with voltage and recommending the card instead of telling people to wait for better AiBs. Just fanboys, really. Just wait for the good shit, you will not regret.

SOmetimes I think AMD intentionally makes their boards shitty as a favor to the board partners. Nvidia used to be that way, but with Turing they said Fuck yeah and take all their best binned chips.

AMD seems to leave a lot of room for improvement as this custom AIB from MSI looks really good.

Of course, I can't wait to see what Sapphire's board looks like.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Sometimes I think AMD intentionally makes their boards shitty as a favor to the board partners. Nvidia used to be that way, but with Turing they said Fuck yeah and take all their best binned chips.

AMD seems to leave a lot of room for improvement as this custom AIB from MSI looks really good.

Of course, I can't wait to see what Sapphire's board looks like.

Looks like a similar cooling setup to the Armor MK2, but with extra heat pipes. Asrock was showing their 5700 concepts around Computex. Don't know if they were functional, or representative of the final design, but I did notice they had 2x8-pin PCI-e connectors while the reference has 8-pin+6-pin. Hopefully we'll see some reviews soon. I'd expect the AiBs to be better in every way: Heat, noise, oc headroom.

Nvidia got it right with their FE designs. They're cool, quiet, good looking, and they're good overclockers.

 

[thelastword]

And one more...

Good videos, I was going to post them.......The cards aren't loud at all, maybe the best blowers ever made.....



This is a very good video as well...

 

[Chairman Tickles]

Sigh this card is $80 usd above RRP when accounting for usd exchange rate AND gst here in Australia. $80 stolen, just like that.

 

[hollams]

Bought the 5700 XT card on Wednesday from *zon and it arrived today. Opened up the package and it's a regular 5700. Really, I mean really, they couldn't put the right card in my box. Ugh.

 

[thelastword]

Bought the 5700 XT card on Wednesday from *zon and it arrived today. Opened up the package and it's a regular 5700. Really, I mean really, they couldn't put the right card in my box. Ugh.

Message or call them and have them send the right card ASAP...…...They will instruct you on how to do the RTS (return to sender/vendor)….

 

[Ascend]

 

[thelastword]

AMD Family vs Birds of Prey

Who will win?

 

[thelastword]

Another youtuber who says "Navi with the blower is NOT hot and loud"...….He says it's probably the best blower cooler he's ever seen and also the most sturdy, feels very premium...….He says it's about as loud as some axial fan coolers...

 

[Ascend]

First AIB 5700 series by Asrock;

ASRock RX 5700 XT Challenger 8G OC

<li>Clock: GPU / Memory, Boost Clock: 1905 MHz / 14 Gbps, Game Clock: 1795 MHz / 14 Gbps, Base Clock: 1650 MHz / 14 Gbps</li><br /><li>Key Specification, AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT Graphics, 2nd Gen 7nm GPU, 8GB 256-bit GDDR6, 3 x DisplayPort, 1 x HDMI, 281 x 137 x 42mm</li><br /><li>Key Features...

www.asrock.com

ASRock RX 5700 Challenger 8G OC

<li>Clock: GPU / Memory, Boost Clock: 1725 MHz / 14 Gbps, Game Clock: 1675 MHz / 14 Gbps, Base Clock: 1515 MHz / 14 Gbps</li><br /><li>Key Specification, AMD Radeon RX 5700 Graphics, 2nd Gen 7nm GPU, 8GB 256-bit GDDR6, 3 x DisplayPort, 1 x HDMI, 281 x 137 x 42mm</li><br /><li>Key Features, RDNA...

www.asrock.com

They have a slightly higher base and game clock, but the same boost clock.

 

[psn]

First AIB 5700 series by Asrock;

ASRock RX 5700 XT Challenger 8G OC

<li>Clock: GPU / Memory, Boost Clock: 1905 MHz / 14 Gbps, Game Clock: 1795 MHz / 14 Gbps, Base Clock: 1650 MHz / 14 Gbps</li><br /><li>Key Specification, AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT Graphics, 2nd Gen 7nm GPU, 8GB 256-bit GDDR6, 3 x DisplayPort, 1 x HDMI, 281 x 137 x 42mm</li><br /><li>Key Features...

www.asrock.com

ASRock RX 5700 Challenger 8G OC

<li>Clock: GPU / Memory, Boost Clock: 1725 MHz / 14 Gbps, Game Clock: 1675 MHz / 14 Gbps, Base Clock: 1515 MHz / 14 Gbps</li><br /><li>Key Specification, AMD Radeon RX 5700 Graphics, 2nd Gen 7nm GPU, 8GB 256-bit GDDR6, 3 x DisplayPort, 1 x HDMI, 281 x 137 x 42mm</li><br /><li>Key Features, RDNA...

www.asrock.com

They have a slightly higher base and game clock, but the same boost clock.

Not Bad, but nothing mind blowing IMO. I need a really sexy one.

Where are those?

ASRock Shows Off Concept AMD Radeon RX 5000 Navi Graphics Card Designs

ASRock has just revealed their latest graphics card concepts for AMD Radeon RX 5000 series which is based on the Navi GPU architecture.

wccftech.com

 

[thelastword]

Well, what I've been hearing is that SMT off on RYZEN paired with an Nvidia GPU gives better results in many titles as opposed to SMT enabled...For some reason, Nvidia drivers have to be patched to accept better logical support for Ryzen CPU's......I was baffled when I saw Leadbetter's results, especially since it's so far off from everybody else's...….

One thing is for sure, there's a lot of patching to do.......Even Leadbetter's CSGO results have Intel ahead, which makes no sense......I also think reviewers have no set standard, some might be pushing unpatched Intel CPU's at 5GHz vs stock Ryzen with SMT enabled, when they know it cripples performance on Ryzen in certain titles............

 

[b0uncyfr0]

Are there any tests regarding 3700X + NV card vs 3700x + new 5700 line? Curious if performance is better when AMD products are paired together.

 

[thelastword]

Are there any tests regarding 3700X + NV card vs 3700x + new 5700 line? Curious if performance is better when AMD products are paired together.

Absolutely, just look through the last 3 pages....I linked several videos with NV cards vs AMD card with the same Ryzen CPU....

 

[Hellgardia]

Where are those?

ASRock Shows Off Concept AMD Radeon RX 5000 Navi Graphics Card Designs

ASRock has just revealed their latest graphics card concepts for AMD Radeon RX 5000 series which is based on the Navi GPU architecture.

wccftech.com

They should be coming (or some variation of them).
I doubt that AsRock only has the Challenger series incoming.

 

[pawel86ck]

It looks like even guys who always used Nvidia GPU's are finally changing their mind. Well I would not sell 2080ti to use RX 5700 XT like that guy did, but RX 5700 XT has indeed very good performance/price value.

 

[Ascend]

Navi is gaining AMD some mind share.

 

[GhostofBabel]

I feel like Freesync is also playing a part in the increasing mind share, in addition to the cards trading blows with more expensive cards. Maybe Linux performance too. Great to see. I don't think AMD have had their 'Ryzen moment' in the GPU space quite yet, but the more money their R&D department gets, the closer we get to that. Looking forward to it.

Now if only they'd focus on getting their chipsets into laptops...

 

[psn]

I would instantly buy a 5700xt but the custom cards are not even close to release, and the good custom cards might be even further away.

 

[Ascend]

I would instantly buy a 5700xt but the custom cards are not even close to release, and the good custom cards might be even further away.

I don't think they're more than a month away.

 

[GHG]

I would instantly buy a 5700xt but the custom cards are not even close to release, and the good custom cards might be even further away.

Yep I'm waiting on custom cards before making a decision between this and a 2070S.

If there are some cards with a decent factory overclock then it will make my decision easier. Might be the first time in a decade that I get an AMD GPU. The last AMD card I had was the 5770 back in the day.

 

[psn]

I don't think they're more than a month away.

I am not buying the first that arrives though, I want a good silent cooling solution and - just to be able to compare them -I have to wait until most of them are released. Also, I don't think they are going to release the good ones that fast. Or else they would've been announced by now. We have only seen the very basic (dirty cheap) custom cards without any meaningful oc nor did they look good IMO.

But I hope you are right. Next month would be perfect.

 

[thelastword]

Remember this is the 5700, not the XT... OC'd vs the 2700 Super Stock...…...What a packer this little guy is....A $350 card vs a $500 card.....Note the differences overall...

 

[Ascend]

I am not buying the first that arrives though, I want a good silent cooling solution and - just to be able to compare them -I have to wait until most of them are released. Also, I don't think they are going to release the good ones that fast. Or else they would've been announced by now. We have only seen the very basic (dirty cheap) custom cards without any meaningful oc nor did they look good IMO.

But I hope you are right. Next month would be perfect.

Well, for one, the Sapphire Nitro cards usually are quite quick to be released. Hopefully, those will be available in a month. It would suck if it takes too long. I guess it also depends on how many good quality chips they receive from AMD.

 

[psn]

Well, for one, the Sapphire Nitro cards usually are quite quick to be released. Hopefully, those will be available in a month. It would suck if it takes too long. I guess it also depends on how many good quality chips they receive from AMD.

A sapphire nitro+ would be great tbh.

 

[thelastword]

This little 251 MM2 GPU packs one hell of a punch against the big guys....This card is so fast....It's probably the fastest $400 dollar GPU we've had in ages, what a GPU AMD has delivered here....And it still has much more power left under the hood....

The Joke is......This is a $400 AMD card versus a $700 NVIDIA high end card...

 

[Aintitcool]

AMD being the winner in BattleField 5 4k speaks loads to how nextgen the card is. I mean they have nvidia exclusive ray tracing and still AMD pulls ahead.

 

[Leonidas]

AMD being the winner in BattleField 5 4k speaks loads to how nextgen the card is. I mean they have nvidia exclusive ray tracing and still AMD pulls ahead.

It's too bad it lacks next-gen features like hardware ray-tracing support. I might have bought a 5700 card if it wasn't for that glaring omission, which even next-gen consoles have.

 

[thelastword]

AMD being the winner in BattleField 5 4k speaks loads to how nextgen the card is. I mean they have nvidia exclusive ray tracing and still AMD pulls ahead.

With all the noise NV fans make about raytracing......I wonder why they don't do a benchmark with the 3 raytracing games they have and compare it against a Navi card at 1440p ultra settings without raytracing.....

So BFV, Metro and SOTTR at 1440p Ultra RTX on 2070S vs Ultra Settings at 1440p on Navi 5700XT....Record at 4k, highest bitrate, show the framerates whilst playing and tell people to choose...…..Let RTX impress persons....OR not....

 

[Aintitcool]

With all the noise NV fans make about raytracing......I wonder why they don't do a benchmark with the 3 raytracing games they have and compare it against a Navi card at 1440p ultra settings without raytracing.....

So BFV, Metro and SOTTR at 1440p Ultra RTX on 2070S vs Ultra Settings at 1440p on Navi 5700XT....Record at 4k, highest bitrate, show the framerates whilst playing and tell people to choose...…..Let RTX impress persons....OR not....

Dude please D dark10x can you do this.

 

[Ivellios]

It's too bad it lacks next-gen features like hardware ray-tracing support. I might have bought a 5700 card if it wasn't for that glaring omission, which even next-gen consoles have.

Pretty much, 5700 and 5700 xt are amazing cards, but i probably wont get then because they dont have any kind of ray tracing at all.

And there are already many new games announced that will support this feature, so its better to have a card that can at least run some kind of ray tracing imo, like the 2060 and 2070 super.

 

[Ascend]

It's too bad it lacks next-gen features like hardware ray-tracing support. I might have bought a 5700 card if it wasn't for that glaring omission, which even next-gen consoles have.

That's a really bad reason not to get a 5700... You need this video (Start at 10:20);

 

[Ivellios]

That's a really bad reason not to get a 5700... You need this video (Start at 10:20);

I honestly dont understand enough about tech to say if he is right or wrong in this.

But i never heard of any other tech video saying anything close to this, plus every video of this guy is praising everything from AMD and criticizing everything from Nvidia.

He seems way too biased for AMD and against Nvidia for me to trust his opnion.

 

[gspat]

In a post conference interview (Can't remember which one), Lisa Su mentioned that if they do RT, it'll cover every range, not just high end.

Makes me wonder if everything rdna will have it in some form.