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PAX uninvites Colin Moriarty (PAX refuses refunds, Colin to refund 20 people out of own pocket)

Dabaus

Banned
Don't you read Vox? Tulsi is a Conservative on foreign policy because she's anti war

No i dont read vox. Him throwing way all his beliefs because shes antiwar is, well i dont even have words for it. Maybe he was never as conservative as he claimed, which is odd since he takes so much flak for allegedly being one.
 
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AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
No i dont read vox. Him throwing way all his beliefs because shes antiwar is, well i dont even have words for it. Maybe he was never as conservative as he claimed, which is odd since he takes so much flak for allegedly being one.

He's fiscally conservative and socially liberal. REEtards hate him simply because he's not as far-far-left as basically every other games journalist.
 

Shai-Tan

Banned
What an interesting piece, thanks for that.

I learned a lot from her book although I suspect it would be too academic for the average reader. This was my favore promo for it among the various podcasts and youtube videos:


What I like about mentioning it in this context is the possibility that some of our political commitments have a religious quality that breeds similar forms of intolerance that’s probab,y not as enlightened as we imagine when it mirrors old sectarian insults
 

Shifty1897

Member
He had a panel scheduled and approved, it was summarily cancelled with no explanation. Those are facts. The assumptions he makes aren't far fetched based on those facts. I mean, if they had a legitimate reason that wasn't 'someone doesn't like you', they would have told him. It is common courtesy in business.

Also, admitting the real reason would open them up to a discrimination lawsuit.
 
"You know as well as I do that safety is not the reason."

You keep making these statements. So, again I'll ask you to provide this factual evidence you have that his panel wasn't cancelled due to safety reasons, and was a political decision.

Man Winter John is going hardcore ready to die on this "safety reasons" hill narrative. I actually admire his persistence.

There are three important steps you should take, if someone running a panel at your convention receives death threats.

1) Cancel their panel without explanation.

2) Don't tell them that they've received death threats.

3) Make sure they know they are still welcome to attend the convention.

It's just the smart way of handling the situation. Why people would think this whole thing is about politics is truly baffling.

 
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Winter John

Gold Member
I never said threaten or encourage, just talk about. You know, like the unbanned Twitter account Colin included in his Tweet which you were talking about originally: https://twitter.com/timedoctor?lang=en

Lol. Look at you desperately trying to worm your way out.

Here is your post

"Cool, so all I have to do is put out a few Tweets about milkshaking PAX panelists and PAX will cancel them completely? "

That is clearly in relation to the person who threatened Colin and encouraged others to do the same.
 

Winter John

Gold Member
There are three important steps you should take, if someone running a panel at your convention receives death threats.

1) Cancel their panel without explanation.

2) Don't tell them that they've received death threats.

3) Make sure they know they are still welcome to attend the convention.

It's just the smart way of handling the situation. Why people would think this whole thing is about politics is truly baffling.



1. Did Colin Moriarty receive death threats?

2. Again. What death threats? So far, all I've seen are tweets encouraging people to attack Colin but apparently you believe he also received death threats. Please post the links that show these death threats you claim he received

3. Why shouldn't he be welcome to attend the convention?
 

Winter John

Gold Member
Man Winter John is going hardcore ready to die on this "safety reasons" hill narrative. I actually admire his persistence.

Uh huh. So you think that asking for evidence, which is all I've done is "going hardcore?"

I've asked you to prove that Colin was removed for his political views and provide evidence for the statements you made concerning this. So far you have been unable to do so.
 

joe_zazen

Member
Uh huh. So you think that asking for evidence, which is all I've done is "going hardcore?"

I've asked you to prove that Colin was removed for his political views and provide evidence for the statements you made concerning this. So far you have been unable to do so.

Do you think it is possible he was removed because activist do-Gooder(s) thinks he is toxic nazi misogynist and should be deplatformed? If so, how likely do you think it is?

And yeah, you are hard core, like unless you are getting paid, it is kinda weird hardcore.
 

Shmunter

Member
Good guy Colin:


I’m curious to see if anyone actually takes him up on it. Genuine fans probably won’t, some scammers May.

Not a good look for pax, using his clout to advertise the event and increase numbers only to rescind and not even offer an apology or refunds.
 

oagboghi2

Member
I saw colin endorsed Tulsi Gabbard, A democrat on twitter. I find it ironic that hes banned from events and kicked out of companies he himself founded for "wrong think" by leftists but instead of standing up for his beliefs cucks for the opposition. An opposition that isnt interested in redemption or finding common ground. He's not interested in joining up with groups that, ya know may take his side, instead its a cuckservative, "if i virtue signal hard enough maybe theyll like me" kind of move. Weak.
Or maybe he just likes Tulsi Gabbard 🙄
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
I saw colin endorsed Tulsi Gabbard, A democrat on twitter. I find it ironic that hes banned from events and kicked out of companies he himself founded for "wrong think" by leftists but instead of standing up for his beliefs cucks for the opposition. An opposition that isnt interested in redemption or finding common ground. He's not interested in joining up with groups that, ya know may take his side, instead its a cuckservative, "if i virtue signal hard enough maybe theyll like me" kind of move. Weak.

This may surprise you, but you can support democrats as a conservative and conservatives as a democrat. It isn't a zero-sum game where you can only ever think and support one way.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
Uh huh. So you think that asking for evidence, which is all I've done is "going hardcore?"

I've asked you to prove that Colin was removed for his political views and provide evidence for the statements you made concerning this. So far you have been unable to do so.

Prove the moon isn't going to drift off into space tomorrow. Prove it.

You're asking people to prove something that you know cannot be proven, yet you're still standing on this hill for who knows what, something you can't prove either.

People are asking you to think logically, and you're falling back to asking people to prove the unproveable, like it somehow backs up your stance.
 
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sevoro

Member
Prove the moon isn't going to drift off into space tomorrow. Prove it.
Gravity, if you don't understand this I can teach you basic Physics if you want. The proof would rely on the theories talked about with relation to gravity. The only way moon would counteract these theories if some cataclysmic event happened, which no one can predict accurately.

I know you're being facetious, but come on, you can do better.

I’m curious to see if anyone actually takes him up on it. Genuine fans probably won’t, some scammers May.

Not a good look for pax, using his clout to advertise the event and increase numbers only to rescind and not even offer an apology or refunds.
What I see happening is that no one will follow up because he's such a "nice guy" and this will then become misconstrued to show how he paid back all those people who wanted refunds from PAX.

Honestly I believe all dumb cunts should be deplatformed, regardless of political leanings, the left, the right and the centre are full of idiots who don't know what's good for humanity. Collin included. So all in all I see this is non news. What I am concerned with though is how the left will view this as a win for their side. When the entire truth of these events aren't out in the open. All we do know for a fact is that Colin was removed from PAX, he was given passes for him and his crew, and he's set himself up to refund people as a show of good will, anyone thinking this has to do with politics is just really looking for a viewpoint that fits their own worldview.

Until then, I want people to show me receipts that aren't in the form of hearsay and conjecture. I'd expect that from a kangaroo court.
 

Arkage

Banned
but instead of standing up for his beliefs cucks for the opposition. An opposition that isnt interested in redemption or finding common ground. He's not interested in joining up with groups that, ya know may take his side, instead its a cuckservative, "if i virtue signal hard enough maybe theyll like me" kind of move. Weak.

If you think Colin gives a shit about what others think of him you haven't been paying attention. The blind tribalism you're displaying is worse than any "virtue signaling" nonesense you want to ascribe to Moriarty. Maybe you should go soak yourself in red sharpie to prove what a noncucked Trump loving "Republican" you are.


They've also released some more "questionable" stuff,

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Oh dios mio.

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Sometimes you really remind me of a high schooler trying to edgelord his way into popularity. And by sometimes I mean literally all the time.
 
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sevoro

Member
If you think Colin gives a shit about what others think of him you haven't been paying attention. The blind tribalism you're displaying is worse than any "virtue signaling" nonesense you want to ascribe to Moriarty. Maybe you should go soak yourself in red sharpie to prove what a noncucked Trump loving "Republican" you are.




Sometimes you really remind me of a high schooler trying to edgelord his way into popularity. And by sometimes I mean literally all the time.
JordanN just has a huge hate boner piercing through his pants for anything related to the perceived threats of SJW's or the left. Best to ignore his old man ramblings. Like literally ignore him. I mean I hate on Era, but he always makes it about the left, whereas I just focus on hypocrisy. Not saying this to be mean to him, but there are some people you're better off not engaging.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
Gravity, if you don't understand this I can teach you basic Physics if you want. The proof would rely on the theories talked about with relation to gravity. The only way moon would counteract these theories if some cataclysmic event happened, which no one can predict accurately.

I know you're being facetious, but come on, you can do better.


What I see happening is that no one will follow up because he's such a "nice guy" and this will then become misconstrued to show how he paid back all those people who wanted refunds from PAX.

Honestly I believe all dumb cunts should be deplatformed, regardless of political leanings, the left, the right and the centre are full of idiots who don't know what's good for humanity. Collin included. So all in all I see this is non news. What I am concerned with though is how the left will view this as a win for their side. When the entire truth of these events aren't out in the open. All we do know for a fact is that Colin was removed from PAX, he was given passes for him and his crew, and he's set himself up to refund people as a show of good will, anyone thinking this has to do with politics is just really looking for a viewpoint that fits their own worldview.

Until then, I want people to show me receipts that aren't in the form of hearsay and conjecture. I'd expect that from a kangaroo court.

That was the whole point. Dude is asking people to prove something that can't be proven. And he knows it can't be proven, that was never the point. The point was it is common sense.

You're walking down the street on a cold winter's day and you hear gun shots smashed glass and an alarm from the nearby bank and 2 guys with skii masks and dark clothing are running past you, a logical person would assume they probably the bank robbers, but their buddy says "I think they're just running because they heard gunshots and the skii masks are because it's cold outside"

"prove they are the bank robbers and they weren't just cold and civilians running from gunshots. Prove it, you can't"
 

sevoro

Member
That was the whole point. Dude is asking people to prove something that can't be proven. And he knows it can't be proven, that was never the point. The point was it is common sense.

You're walking down the street on a cold winter's day and you hear gun shots smashed glass and an alarm from the nearby bank and 2 guys with skii masks and dark clothing are running past you, a logical person would assume they probably the bank robbers, but their buddy says "I think they're just running because they heard gunshots and the skii masks are because it's cold outside"

"prove they are the bank robbers and they weren't just cold and civilians running from gunshots. Prove it, you can't"
Problem with the bank robber scenario is that you can find out whether you are right or wrong, either by doing the stupid/heroic action of tackling them or waiting until they are arrested/footage is released. I mean unless you're scared to tackle the strangers.

With Colin there is no way to verify an assumption that this was done politically. You can definitely make that conclusion with bits and pieces of everything others have said, but whether you're right or wrong will not be found out for a long time, and then we'll just have both the right and left making up bullshit excuses for why Colin was refused from PAX.

I take umbrage with an idiot can be ascribed to either the left or right, especially when he's a centrist, or so people have proclaimed.

I also doubt American politics and gaming celebrities would be considered common sense for people living outside of the US. Not sure if that guy is or not, but I most certainly am.
 
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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
Problem with the bank robber scenario is that you can find out whether you are right or wrong, either by doing the stupid/heroic action of tackling them or waiting until they are arrested/footage is released. I mean unless you're scared to tackle the strangers.

With Colin there is no way to verify an assumption that this was done politically. You can definitely make that conclusion with bits and pieces of everything others have said, but whether you're right or wrong will not be found out for a long time, and then we'll just have both the right and left making up bullshit excuses for why Colin was refused from PAX.

I take umbrage with an idiot can be ascribed to either the left or right, especially when he's a centrist, or so people have proclaimed.

I also doubt American politics and gaming celebrities would be considered common sense for people living outside of the US. Not sure if that guy is or not, but I most certainly am.

I don’t think it needs to be verified, we are regular random people on a message board chatting. We don’t need to verify it we have no skin in the game. But if one is using logic and reason, it being political is far more likely than safety reasons. That I can assure you.

If it looks like a rat, and smells like a rat, it’s probably a rat.

And the fact that he has not been told the reason for it is a dick move on their part.
 

Shmunter

Member
Gravity, if you don't understand this I can teach you basic Physics if you want. The proof would rely on the theories talked about with relation to gravity. The only way moon would counteract these theories if some cataclysmic event happened, which no one can predict accurately.

I know you're being facetious, but come on, you can do better.


What I see happening is that no one will follow up because he's such a "nice guy" and this will then become misconstrued to show how he paid back all those people who wanted refunds from PAX.

Honestly I believe all dumb cunts should be deplatformed, regardless of political leanings, the left, the right and the centre are full of idiots who don't know what's good for humanity. Collin included. So all in all I see this is non news. What I am concerned with though is how the left will view this as a win for their side. When the entire truth of these events aren't out in the open. All we do know for a fact is that Colin was removed from PAX, he was given passes for him and his crew, and he's set himself up to refund people as a show of good will, anyone thinking this has to do with politics is just really looking for a viewpoint that fits their own worldview.

Until then, I want people to show me receipts that aren't in the form of hearsay and conjecture. I'd expect that from a kangaroo court.

Moriarty was attacked for making a ‘misogynist’ joke by the PC fanatics. It was really an excuse and trigger to punish a wrong thinker. It was enough to get him removed from a company he co-founded. I believe he was depersoned here on NG when it was an SJW nest, and he is depersoned on RE. He has been vilified ever since.

It doesn’t take much to see the forest through the trees that in an industry heavily favouring intersectional politics where redemption is not an option what’s happening here. There are so many examples of the vile cult doing this to others that do not conform.

It’s easy to conclude that Any other Theory is the outlier.
 

sevoro

Member
I don’t think it needs to be verified, we are regular random people on a message board chatting. We don’t need to verify it we have no skin in the game. But if one is using logic and reason, it being political is far more likely than safety reasons. That I can assure you.

If it looks like a rat, and smells like a rat, it’s probably a rat.

And the fact that he has not been told the reason for it is a dick move on their part.
While you may not have skin in the game there are some people who do, also would like to add just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are free from scrutiny by others. Even if you consider something logical, you still have to explain that logic. Also by using the word 'guarantee' you are kinda inviting people to ask you for evidence. It's a strong word.

Btw as you probably have gleamed I have a heavy dislike for Colin. Not because of his politics or anything, but cause I think he's an idiot, like Jontron I may add (his comment about gene dilution was so factually wrong I died on the inside).

Moriarty was attacked for making a ‘misogynist’ joke by the PC fanatics. It was really an excuse and trigger to punish a wrong thinker. It was enough to get him removed from a company he co-founded. I believe he was depersoned here on NG when it was an SJW nest, and he is depersoned on RE. He has been vilified ever since.

It doesn’t take much to see the forest through the trees that in an industry heavily favouring intersectional politics where redemption is not an option what’s happening here. There are so many examples of the vile cult doing this to others that do not conform.

It’s easy to conclude that Any other Theory is the outlier.

See now this actually works cause I can look these up and then make my own conclusions. Problem here that I see though even places like Era will say not enough is being done an that they are losing, so when I see the two sides I really don't who to trust. I'll be looking these points up later btw, thanks.
 

Shmunter

Member
While you may not have skin in the game there are some people who do, also would like to add just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are free from scrutiny by others. Even if you consider something logical, you still have to explain that logic. Also by using the word 'guarantee' you are kinda inviting people to ask you for evidence. It's a strong word.

Btw as you probably have gleamed I have a heavy dislike for Colin. Not because of his politics or anything, but cause I think he's an idiot, like Jontron I may add (his comment about gene dilution was so factually wrong I died on the inside).



See now this actually works cause I can look these up and then make my own conclusions. Problem here that I see though even places like Era will say not enough is being done an that they are losing, so when I see the two sides I really don't who to trust. I'll be looking these points up later btw, thanks.

No probs, good to see someone willing to look under the blanket.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
While you may not have skin in the game there are some people who do, also would like to add just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are free from scrutiny by others. Even if you consider something logical, you still have to explain that logic. Also by using the word 'guarantee' you are kinda inviting people to ask you for evidence. It's a strong word.

Btw as you probably have gleamed I have a heavy dislike for Colin. Not because of his politics or anything, but cause I think he's an idiot, like Jontron I may add (his comment about gene dilution was so factually wrong I died on the inside).



See now this actually works cause I can look these up and then make my own conclusions. Problem here that I see though even places like Era will say not enough is being done an that they are losing, so when I see the two sides I really don't who to trust. I'll be looking these points up later btw, thanks.

I backed up my take with logic and reason. Winter John did not. All he was doing was telling me and others who felt the same way to “prove it.” That isn’t an argument. He couldn’t disprove any point I made with logic on his end. He has no argument. No rational argument can be made for it being for safety reasons as others and myself have pointed out the reasons for that.

You can dislike anyone you want, but he certainly is no idiot. I didn’t hear his comment on gene dilution, so I can’t speak to that but I’ve been following him for a long time and he certainly is no idiot. Paris Hilton is an idiot. Colin is a smart dude who gets things wrong sometimes(as we all do).
 

AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Lol. Look at you desperately trying to worm your way out.
Here is your post
"Cool, so all I have to do is put out a few Tweets about milkshaking PAX panelists and PAX will cancel them completely? "
That is clearly in relation to the person who threatened Colin and encouraged others to do the same.

Are you dense? Can you read the Tweet in the first post in this thread? That's not a threat, genius.

If you're talking about a different Tweet it sure would be a great idea to actually post the fucking thing first.
 

sevoro

Member
I backed up my take with logic and reason. Winter John did not. All he was doing was telling me and others who felt the same way to “prove it.” That isn’t an argument. He couldn’t disprove any point I made with logic on his end. He has no argument. No rational argument can be made for it being for safety reasons as others and myself have pointed out the reasons for that.

You can dislike anyone you want, but he certainly is no idiot. I didn’t hear his comment on gene dilution, so I can’t speak to that but I’ve been following him for a long time and he certainly is no idiot. Paris Hilton is an idiot. Colin is a smart dude who gets things wrong sometimes(as we all do).
Oh the idiot thing was in relation to Jontron, Colin has said other things that strike me as such though, although it could be things taken out of context. But from those comments I never really gave him much attention afterwards. PC people would crucify me for this, but I think Paris is retarded.

Courtesy to Shmunter I'll be looking into this, until then I'm mostly on the "what's the big deal?" bench.
 
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1. Did Colin Moriarty receive death threats?

2. Again. What death threats? So far, all I've seen are tweets encouraging people to attack Colin but apparently you believe he also received death threats. Please post the links that show these death threats you claim he received

You're the one saying "safety reasons," and I was going with worst possible scenario. If you'd like, change it to "threats of physical assault" because we know that actually happened.

3. Why shouldn't he be welcome to attend the convention?

No matter the threat level, there's no scenario that warrants not explaining the situation, canceling his panel, and being fine with him appearing at the convention. There's no "safety concern" that would allow that to make any sense.

I'm ALWAYS willing to hear both sides of any story, but when one side of the story can't even manage a simple "we won't disclose the reason, but we categorically deny this had anything to do with Colin's political beliefs or anyone trying to deplatform him, which we would never support" then the accusation becomes the only truth. This isn't a new thing for me. I've argued that point before.

PAX is giving a complete non-response to these accusations, which aside from being cowardly, is also extremely unprofessional. They don't deserve to be defended with imaginary "what if" scenarios that aren't even properly argued beyond a vague "safety reasons" description, especially seeing that they refuse to either defend themselves or Colin, or even attempt to explain their reasoning.
 
"Definitely politically motivated" is not an opinion. You have presented it as a fact. The key word there being "definitely."


"but I guarantee people in the industry who don't like him complained and that's why."

Nothing in this sentence is presented as an opinion. You are "guaranteeing" people in the industry complained about him. You have no idea whether they did or not.


"I didn't claim to have sources otherwise, which just makes them strong opinions. And you know this too."

None of this has anything to do with you declaring that this event was "definitely politically motivated" or guaranteeing that people in the industry reported him. You didn't present "strong opinions." You posted declarations as fact. Unfortunately you either don't know this or, worse, you do know it and are just scrabbling around looking for a loophole to crawl out of.

So you'd be willing to bet that this organisation cancelled a panel because some industry insiders don't like him? Again, given that his political views have been widely known for some years now and he hasn't done anything recently that is unusual or caused controversy. Why would this organisation suddenly decide to start listening to these industry insiders a few days before he was due to attend?

Because people didn't bitch and moan loud enough until recently, obviously. This happens all the time. I don't know how you can't see it. They cancelled Colin's appearance and only Colin's without explanation. DUH. Just stop.
 
1. Did Colin Moriarty receive death threats?

2. Again. What death threats? So far, all I've seen are tweets encouraging people to attack Colin but apparently you believe he also received death threats. Please post the links that show these death threats you claim he received

3. Why shouldn't he be welcome to attend the convention?

Stop being obtuse.
 
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oagboghi2

Member
Gravity, if you don't understand this I can teach you basic Physics if you want. The proof would rely on the theories talked about with relation to gravity. The only way moon would counteract these theories if some cataclysmic event happened, which no one can predict accurately.

I know you're being facetious, but come on, you can do better.


What I see happening is that no one will follow up because he's such a "nice guy" and this will then become misconstrued to show how he paid back all those people who wanted refunds from PAX.

Honestly I believe all dumb cunts should be deplatformed, regardless of political leanings, the left, the right and the centre are full of idiots who don't know what's good for humanity. Collin included. So all in all I see this is non news. What I am concerned with though is how the left will view this as a win for their side. When the entire truth of these events aren't out in the open. All we do know for a fact is that Colin was removed from PAX, he was given passes for him and his crew, and he's set himself up to refund people as a show of good will, anyone thinking this has to do with politics is just really looking for a viewpoint that fits their own worldview.

Until then, I want people to show me receipts that aren't in the form of hearsay and conjecture. I'd expect that from a kangaroo court.

But let me guess, you and only you, do? 😂

So far I've yet to see any good justifications for PAX actions
 
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Shai-Tan

Banned
Moriarty was attacked for making a ‘misogynist’ joke by the PC fanatics. It was really an excuse and trigger to punish a wrong thinker. It was enough to get him removed from a company he co-founded. I believe he was depersoned here on NG when it was an SJW nest, and he is depersoned on RE. He has been vilified ever since.

It doesn’t take much to see the forest through the trees that in an industry heavily favouring intersectional politics where redemption is not an option what’s happening here. There are so many examples of the vile cult doing this to others that do not conform.

It’s easy to conclude that Any other Theory is the outlier.

While it is odd that they went radio silence, suggesting there is something suspicious going on the priors informing speculation are mostly imagined. If that narrative is wrong it's on PAX to show basic courtesy or else live with it. I think most of the discussion in here was using this incident as a springboard for celebratory reactions on social media and the general treatment Colin has received by some of the intolerant prigs in the games community.
 
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