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Kojima: Death Stranding Had Stronger Criticism in the US, Possibly Because It Flies Above Shooters
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Alebrije
Member
Game awards this year will be fun.
Maybe you should take your own advice and stop being emotionally attached to taking offense on behalf of a whole nation.
Roni
Gold Member
You people seem to get off on complaining. Never any leads on how you'd improve the game, never any regard for the intent behind something, never any regard for anything. Only a focus on whether said thing pleases you and, if it doesn't, then it's trash.
Criticism and negative views from people who aren't looking out for the improvement of anything/anyone is useless. And this seems to be the case with you and many others here....
So if you want people to take your criticism to heart, maybe start by taking what we're saying to heart first.
Also, this:
Stop projecting yourself onto me.
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manfestival
Member
I like how the community has taken death stranding into the whole artsy fartsy smell your own waste pretentious nonsense in order to COPE with different opinions.
GenericUser
Member
this is the lowest kojima ever went, and that is saying something.
Petrae
Member
If The Game Awards 2019 isn’t 2-3 hours of Dorito Pope declaring his undying love/lust for Hideo Kojima, concluded by a proposal and subsequent marriage, it’s not gonna be worth it.
Keighley’s obsession with Kojima borders on the unhealthy. It’s awkward at best and creepy at worst. In order to get Kojima to show up at his shindigs without being painfully obvious, he had to fill the time with some other tangentially-related shit that pertains to gaming... and an award or two. (I mean, it *is* called “The Game Awards”.)
eastwood333
Banned
LOL!!!! Where does not likeing a game you find boring and not fun to play tie into connections? Do u think before you post?
I do not agree with Kojimas thoughts on border walls/Brexit etc...Building walls protects a country. A country having its own soverienty,rights,rule of law is smart. Open borders allows anyone from terrorist to an influx of millions of migrants who will be supported by the tax payers to pay for their health care,housing,food,education etc...It will lead a country to economic ruin and chaos. Kojima comes off as naive in my opinion when talking about a countrys right to protect its citizens etc... Kojima comes off as a globalist. And many globalist believe a select unelected few should rule the entire world,from deciding how much water u use,what u can worship,to long u can play a video game,to how much soda pop/ice cream u can hav3,to how much waste u can have and on and on. Thank God for countrys that have the freedom to rule their nation and have democrecies
And please tell me what is the message of the game.
If you want to connect people,it starts with the family,education,God/ten commandments(imo)and willingness to work hard.
And it offends me that you're trying to imply this game is some how going to teach me about "connecting"?
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Roni
Gold Member
It will, you should play it.
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Psykodad
Banned
eastwood333
Banned
Seen majority of the game via streaming/walkthroughs and i simply disagree.
Keihart
Member
Big part of the commentary becomes palpable only when playing it yourself, but you have already robbed yourself of it by watching waltkthroughs
Roni
Gold Member
Which is another message from the game: don't spend your life building your opinion on the back of other's actions.
Act yourself.
But, as you've said, you've already done it, so yeah... The game will be forever a walking simulator to you. Congratulations!
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Digity
Member
Ya simply watching the game, it would seem like a total snooze fest. Get your hands on it though and it’s a totally different story. Can’t wait for this last hour of work to be done so I can go home and deliver more stuff haha. It’s amazing how much it actually is, I totally get where people are coming from though when they say it looks boring, it does lol.Big part of the commentary becomes palpable only when playing it yourself, but you have already robbed yourself of it by watching waltkthroughs
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Said it before, gonna say it again here:
Watching and playing are entirely different experiences, something that should be blazingly obvious to anyone who actually cares about and values gaming.
Its a classic example of why the counterargument that "you simply don't get it" is in many cases an entirely valid criticism. Some things need to be actually experienced to be understood.
Its like trying to explain to somebody about a time you lived through that they are/were simply too young to remember. Its a literal impossibility because the frame of reference experientially is so different.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Game stream watching generation is the worst.
Talk from a position of elitism, but nothing more than ignorance and delusion.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I myself not fan the direction this game went with but you do know there is huge difference between playing a game and just watching it. Even my favourite game all like SMT Nocturne is not exactly fun watching someone playing that game, is way more fun actually playing the game myself.
OT: I would say this game is different enough that you can't entirely rely on reviews, you yourself need to decide if its your type of game or not, like I did with games like NieR/Drakengard and Catherine.
GrayChild
Member
A reminder of how deep DS is:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/kojima-even-i-dont-understand-death-stranding.1501195/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/kojima-even-i-dont-understand-death-stranding.1501195/
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Or it was shit
Opinions? True.
Silent Duck
Member
You should submit this to the November Contest thread.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Neff
Member
And they're both great
ZywyPL
Banned
Maybe it wasn't a smart idea to release the game right after CoD:MW, which didn't have ANY competition at all this year? Or already announcing the PC version? And speaking of PC, many people are busy with RDR2 right now. Because being an unknown variable which DS undoubtedly is is one thing, but releasing such game in the middle of titles which people already know and already like is a different story, IMO beginning of the new year would be a much better release window for DS. But still, I'm more than sure by the end of the year sales will be more than satisfying, the game just needs some time.
June
Member
I had no interest in this game but Kojima may be onto to something here. As a European I have always felt like I am in many ways smarter and more in-tune with my artistic side than Americans, who just come across as brutish and very surface-level, akin to neanderthals. I might purchase this game now.
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TyphoonStruggle
Member
Wow! Death Stranding teaches a lot of lessons.
With Kojima games why do we even need parents anymore? Kojima games can provide all the parenting necessary for any child in need of life lessons. We no longer need a father to take the kid fishing or teach him/her the importance of responsibility, just play some Death Stranding. We no longer need a mother to teach empathy and compassion, just play some Death Stranding. Kojima-san is based God.
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Keihart
Member
You might be proving the interpreted intent of the OP with this comment you know?Wow! Death Stranding teaches a lot of lessons.
With Kojima games why do we even need parents anymore? Kojima games can provide all the parenting necessary for any child in need of life lessons. We no longer need a father to take the kid fishing or teach him/her the importance of responsibility, just play some Death Stranding. We no longer need a mother to teach empathy and compassion, just play some Death Stranding. Kojima-san is based God.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Nope? And you're not gonna get me to spend $60 on a boring game. Sorry.
Roni
Gold Member
Wow! Death Stranding teaches a lot of lessons.
With Kojima games why do we even need parents anymore? Kojima games can provide all the parenting necessary for any child in need of life lessons. We no longer need a father to take the kid fishing or teach him/her the importance of responsibility, just play some Death Stranding. We no longer need a mother to teach empathy and compassion, just play some Death Stranding. Kojima-san is based God.
Works of art usually encode meaningful and insightful takes on life, which I called lesson in the previous post. It's nothing new. And Death Stranding is definitely not just as game.
Keihart
Member
I don't think anybody cares what you play man, but your opinion is just kinda worthless on the matter if so.
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SquillieDee
Member
I am a US citizen, I just returned from a vacation in Italy and had the time of my life!! This sounds similar to what I heard over and over again in Europe, "American's (fill in the blank)", whenever someone spoke about America, it was a broad statement. What I think some people fail to realize is, America is a GIGANTIC country, with many different types of people, that have many different opinions and interest. To generalize anything about us as a whole is irresponsible. There is not correct way to talk about us as a whole, but maybe keep in mind that we are a vast diverse country with many different beliefs, interest and opinions.
Roni
Gold Member
"When everyone lies to you, you don't end up believing everything. Rather, you stop believing altogether."
We're not trying to get you to do anything, man. We're not recruiting or anything. The door is open, the game's out. Choosing to step through is on you. Only you can choose how to spend your money.
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TyphoonStruggle
Member
That's kind of the problem. Apparently a lot of people are annoyed that an "art game" is being lauded as genius, despite sacrifices to the "game" in service of "art."
Art is dependent upon personal interpretations. Now when others interpret the "art" in this game as not much of anything, we're told either we're just gun-loving Americans fixing for some bang-bang, we just don't get the genius of Kojima, or that not all games need to be fun therefore we're wrong.
If you're saying it's art, then I have the right to say it's shit because art is just a nebulous term for things with hidden meaning that may or may not be inteded by the creator. How can you expect everyone to find the same meaning when we don't even know if it's there by intention? That's on Kojima not on the players.
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Roni
Gold Member
It doesn't sacrifice anything. Death Stranding is a dream to play...
This is how you do criticism well, by the way, trolls. Take notice.
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thelastword
Banned
Makes sense...…..
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
2 things, fellas.
1. I accept and embrace the asshole I am. Your triggered response is just a complement. Thanks.
2. Neither one of you know what irony means.
Dude tries to insult Americans and look at the excuses.
Let Rod Ferguson say something derogatory about all Japanese and I'm betting people lose their shit.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Stereotyping is bad kojima. Lets not talk about some of the shit Japan is into. Saying you're misunderstood is the easiest defense when someone doesn't like your art.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Avoiding criticism, at least in gaming, is unavoidable.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Statement: “game may suit the tastes of the wider EU market more than the U.S. one... you know average cultural differences are a thing.”
Lots of in this thread: “you loli-porn Jap creeps... USA USA USA!!!!”...
I am not convinced he was trying to insult anyone... is this where we complain about SJW snowflakes?
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Stefan.North
Member
Kojima-san, why do you adore Hollywood film industry yet claim Americans don't value art? Double-standards?
And don't get me wrong, I'm a European myself, and I really like and are familiar with French ans British cinematography. I just don't like hypocrisy.
And don't get me wrong, I'm a European myself, and I really like and are familiar with French ans British cinematography. I just don't like hypocrisy.
Joshmyersbv
Member
Kojima has a serious ego problem. Perhaps he needs to focus on, I don't know writing better stories because Death Stranding's was fucking trash.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Some Italians like British comedy, most of them likely do not or would not support that style of comedy and so would not lots of Americans as evidenced by the consumer driven American market having some token British comedian and some Scots while the masses do not know who a Jimmy Carr, a Dara O’ Briain, a Micky Flanagan, a James Acaster, etc... are. Admitting cultural differences and that some products may be catering more to some reviewer tastes than others is not a blanket insult.
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
I haven't bought Death Stranding yet. I'm gonna wait for PC for better frame rates so I don't know if I have much valid to say. I imagine if I played the game and didn't like it, I'd be pretty offended by this. I don't just play shooters. I have a lot of shooting games, granted, but I also enjoy other genres. To say that Americans don't like your game because they just like shooters sounds really pompous yet insecure at the same time.
Some IGN reviews of non cookie-cutter/shooter games
Journey was - 9/10
Gravity Rush 2 - 8.4/10
Dark Souls 3 - 9.5/10
The Last Guardian 7.0/10
Just to name a few. All were rated above DS. The evidence doesn't support his reasoning. Again, I haven't played the game, but maybe Kojima focused too much on the art and forgot to include what matters most in a GAME....it's supposed to be FUN. Fun is strongly subjective and individualistic so if Kojima is referring to IGN's criticism, really he's talking about one person's opinion.
Hopefully, he takes a moment to see the swaths of people defending his game to the death....who also live in America.
Asshole.
Some IGN reviews of non cookie-cutter/shooter games
Journey was - 9/10
Gravity Rush 2 - 8.4/10
Dark Souls 3 - 9.5/10
The Last Guardian 7.0/10
Just to name a few. All were rated above DS. The evidence doesn't support his reasoning. Again, I haven't played the game, but maybe Kojima focused too much on the art and forgot to include what matters most in a GAME....it's supposed to be FUN. Fun is strongly subjective and individualistic so if Kojima is referring to IGN's criticism, really he's talking about one person's opinion.
Hopefully, he takes a moment to see the swaths of people defending his game to the death....who also live in America.
Asshole.
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