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[Shangounchained]

"tell it like it is" ?? Are all stories white then? I'm not exactly sure what your point is. If you're talking about retconning traditionally white characters into other races, I can see where maybe there is a point, though to be honest all kinds of things change in the retelling of stories (do you believe Jesus was white?). This kind of reminds me of the "illegal immigrant" argument. What if we made what is currently illegal immigration legal, or changed the laws so that the policies were more open. Illegal immigration would be reduced, though the overall number of immigrants would increase. Would that be ok? I suspect for many the answer would be no, because it's not ACTUALLY about illegal immigration. Same thing here - the complaint is about forced SJW agenda in videogames, but the anger is rooted in something more grim which maybe we don't want to go into here.

I just explained, not all stories are white but if it's honestly a work of art then I don't have a problem with that n I explained again my problem is forced diversity I don't want to be included for the sake of it if I'm included it better be creatively at heart not to prove a point get it.

 

[Shangounchained]

"tell it like it is" ?? Are all stories white then? I'm not exactly sure what your point is. If you're talking about retconning traditionally white characters into other races, I can see where maybe there is a point, though to be honest all kinds of things change in the retelling of stories (do you believe Jesus was white?). This kind of reminds me of the "illegal immigrant" argument. What if we made what is currently illegal immigration legal, or changed the laws so that the policies were more open. Illegal immigration would be reduced, though the overall number of immigrants would increase. Would that be ok? I suspect for many the answer would be no, because it's not ACTUALLY about illegal immigration. Same thing here - the complaint is about forced SJW agenda in videogames, but the anger is rooted in something more grim which maybe we don't want to go into here.

You have a huge understanding problem, maybe u think they should include female footballers on a men's football team for the sake of diversity because men's football isn't diverse, or perhaps basket ball is full of tall black men so they should forcefully include short black men and white to make it diverse or they should take women on the front lines in war so they could die as men inorder to make war diverse, Ur thinking is really cheap, forced diversity always ruins things it never works it's either a decision is made artistically and creatively or through hard work of I feel I'm not represented creatively and honestly then I'll make my own game same as hip-hop black people back in the days had to create hip-hop to express themselves it's hardwork and honest fucking art, Tupac and Biggie didn't wait for white people to rap about their societies and daily struggles!

 

[PleaseWaitStation4]

I actually have to commend video game designers for their attempts at diversity in their games, since the vast majority of the industry is still male and white. I'm not making that up, those statistics are readily available. You're talking 70%+ white male heterosexuals in the game development industry. But interestingly the audience is much more diverse especially among the youth. So game developers are making an attempt to appeal to diversity in their products, but the industry itself still has a representation problem. I'm reminded of the team ownership situation in most American major sports - mostly white ownership & management, more diverse (often more black) players.

So perhaps rather than some insidious social commentary, devs are simply responding to the demographics of their audience. Seems like an unnecessary fear response from the OP, but this sort of thing is quite common nowadays as white control over western society diminishes, and well frankly a lot of my white brothers and sisters are freaking out about it. It wasn't going to last forever, fellas. Time to come to grips with the changes.

This is the cancer. Much of the world love Japanese games, food and culture created by the Japanese. Is it possible that an industry that, by *natural selection*, has a majority of whites creating the product that are attracting a diverse fan base in the same way? Can others be attracted to what white males in the U.S. create in the entertainment industry in the same way that attract so many to Japanese games?
Back in the day, a white male created comic books to entertain children. It attracted all races of children. Does that creator deserve to be stripped of making more comics because he's white or should all children still enjoy what he is creating. The U.S. majority are still white and you twist it to make it seem like it's some sort of bad thing. Games, comics and film are just what whites here are good at, obviously. Forcing it to be more diverse won't improve anything other than your ego.

 

[Shangounchained]

This is the cancer. Much of the world love Japanese games, food and culture created by the Japanese. Is it possible that an industry that, by *natural selection*, has a majority of whites creating the product that are attracting a diverse fan base in the same way? Can others be attracted to what white males in the U.S. create in the entertainment industry in the same way that attract so many to Japanese games?
Back in the day, a white male created comic books to entertain children. It attracted all races of children. Does that creator deserve to be stripped of making more comics because he's white or should all children still enjoy what he is creating. The U.S. majority are still white and you twist it to make it seem like it's some sort of bad thing. Games, comics and film are just what whites here are good at, obviously. Forcing it to be more diverse won't improve anything other than your ego.

This is where most people fail to understand and thereby criticise the white male for being racist it's really easy, if minorities women or any other group of people feel pressed and offended then they have to wake up and start creating stuff if you can't then it's simple "it's a man's world! And let's leave it at that because asking a man or a white man to do it for you means you've given up and can't do it for yourself it's ridiculous to ask or force someone to create art a certain way.

 

[Durask]

My favorite is when they complain about violence against female characters or NPCs. Like recently with RDR2.

They want more women characters in games but we can't kill them. We can only kill male characters. Female characters must always be invincible and perfect Mary Sues.

Because... equality? Not sure this is how it works.

It's equity not equality.

Equity means - my s**t is mine and because oppression, your s**t is mine, too. Bigot.

 

[Hinedorf]

I would apply social behavior similar to how I apply work behavior. If you stop growing and changing as life will certainly do, you'll be the one with your feet in the sand as the shore comes in.

 

[lefty1117]

This is the cancer. Much of the world love Japanese games, food and culture created by the Japanese. Is it possible that an industry that, by *natural selection*, has a majority of whites creating the product that are attracting a diverse fan base in the same way? Can others be attracted to what white males in the U.S. create in the entertainment industry in the same way that attract so many to Japanese games?
Back in the day, a white male created comic books to entertain children. It attracted all races of children. Does that creator deserve to be stripped of making more comics because he's white or should all children still enjoy what he is creating. The U.S. majority are still white and you twist it to make it seem like it's some sort of bad thing. Games, comics and film are just what whites here are good at, obviously. Forcing it to be more diverse won't improve anything other than your ego.

“natural selection” wow, what?

“what whites here are good at”

Bless your soul, man. I’ll move on from this thread

 

[Shadowstar39]

lol Damn, she must work quick, making a whole game in one visit. So did she just appear one day and kick down Bioware's door or did they invite her? Where is the intent here and on whose side is it? So what, she shows up one day and uses her mind control powers to convert all of the game devs to her cause?
Also any other examples? Apparently she's actually making the games, because she's being brought up as someone who can't code in defence of me saying that the Anti-SJW talent-voids should learn to code and make games themselves (you know, a point that was used a lot against SJWs during GG). So what did she do on The Outer Worlds or the new Dontnod game? Or did SJW games actually stop with Anthem?

Also the Mirror's Edge thing was a nice conspiracy theory.

Anita Sarkeesian Has No Part in Mirror’s Edge 2 Development, Says EA

You might have heard of a heated issue among some of the fans of the Mirror’s Edge series; the one relating to Anita Sarkeesian being a part of the

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She influenced bioware and arcane studios. This is fact. ARCANE made arx fatalis, dark messiah of might and magic, bioshock 2, dishonored, and all was well in the world. Then Anita came to town. Dishonored 2 switched from rapheal constitino (founder of arcane) to Harvey Smith who bought into her bs. Take a look at how underwhelming d2 was to the first game and gone were complex gray area plots and depictions of Victorian style Era, say hello to having equality everywhere in a gameworld that wasn't like that previously. Then you get Prey, a good game, I liked it but every character in the game was ugly. Wolfe stein Youngblood, two weirdo teens talking like Bro dudes and cringe dialog as they mow people down and act like it's a sport, it seemed cringy from the videos I seen (haven't actually played it but seen enough and heard the mechanics are crap too.

I'm not going into specifics but you can see where the shift was. We will probably not get a dishonored 3 now (which sucks as I loved d1). Harvey Smith did a full episode with Anita where he faened over her and expressed agreement, so yeah he was influenced.

As for mirrors edge catalyt. That's reassuring. I just bought the game on psn for $5. I loved the first and read she was inspiration for the game so stayed away. I'm 3 hours in and I haven't seen it. I think so far it's an amazing game. Don't know what the fuss was about. Maybe it gets bad? At any rate kinda mad that there was false shit like that being said. More people would of bought it if they didn't read about Anita with it. Faith feels like a real character with flaws and humanity, she's badass but not perfect and makes mistakes, she also doesn't look sjw at all. Imo. Glad I broke down and bought it as I'm really enjoying it.

 

[Geki-D]

She influenced bioware and arcane studios. This is fact. ARCANE made arx fatalis, dark messiah of might and magic, bioshock 2, dishonored, and all was well in the world. Then Anita came to town. Dishonored 2 switched from rapheal constitino (founder of arcane) to Harvey Smith who bought into her bs. Take a look at how underwhelming d2 was to the first game and gone were complex gray area plots and depictions of Victorian style Era, say hello to having equality everywhere in a gameworld that wasn't like that previously. Then you get Prey, a good game, I liked it but every character in the game was ugly. Wolfe stein Youngblood, two weirdo teens talking like Bro dudes and cringe dialog as they mow people down and act like it's a sport, it seemed cringy from the videos I seen (haven't actually played it but seen enough and heard the mechanics are crap too.

I'm not going into specifics but you can see where the shift was. We will probably not get a dishonored 3 now (which sucks as I loved d1). Harvey Smith did a full episode with Anita where he faened over her and expressed agreement, so yeah he was influenced.

As for mirrors edge catalyt. That's reassuring. I just bought the game on psn for $5. I loved the first and read she was inspiration for the game so stayed away. I'm 3 hours in and I haven't seen it. I think so far it's an amazing game. Don't know what the fuss was about. Maybe it gets bad? At any rate kinda mad that there was false shit like that being said. More people would of bought it if they didn't read about Anita with it. Faith feels like a real character with flaws and humanity, she's badass but not perfect and makes mistakes, she also doesn't look sjw at all. Imo. Glad I broke down and bought it as I'm really enjoying it.

This in no way proves your point. Please tell me how Anita mind controls people to do what she wants or what actual position she held on the dev team to control a game's direction. Because otherwise it's still the devs making their own choices. Influence or not, plenty of things influence a creator without people suddenly claiming that the thing that influenced them took control of the whole project.

This idea that Anita has a supernatural power of influence over people by simply putting forward her positions just shows how desperate you are to put a human face on your SJW boogeyman.

I don't even like Anita but this idea that she's literally Satan...

It's a set up for them to virtue signal.

lol The irony of talking about virtue signaling in a thread made for anti-SJWs to virtue signal to one another how much they hate SJWs Also dat classic opposition fallacy.

 

[gatti-man]

In the end what sells will be what devs make so buy what you want and don’t buy what you don’t. There is tons of variety and if you’re worried about SJW shit then read reviews. TLOU wasn’t even bad just the DLC was kindof annoying. Regardless if SJW shit really became prevalent the games will bomb and they will go back to what sells so relax.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Anybody can tell politics from art, as a black man I can see how they are faking diversity by forcing black roles just for the sake of it, for instance alot of black people celebrated when black panther came out and they all lined up for the cinema, most of those people don't even know about black panther or care about the story! I know people who went to watch it just because it had a big black cast, somehow it made them feel empowered which isn't a bad thing but it's sacrificing art for the sake of making a certain people feel good,

Same way Obama became president alot of black voters voted for Obama not because he had a good pitch to run a country it's because he's black, they just wanted to feel empowered and a sense of approval in the society, again it's sacrificing Ur countries leadership for skin colour and approval,

This trend keeps going on everywhere and it's damaging because art doesnt have to conform to anything it doesn't have to be loved and liked by anybody or anything art isn't about approval it's simply a work of art and it shouldn't be tainted by shit if art becomes tainted then we're fucked next they'll control our brains cause they'll have all our freedoms of expression,

Im black and ever since growing up I know 007 is a British white male and never had a problem with that and never asked to be James bond but somehow the powers at be in the industry think that making James bond as Idris alba or a black woman is empowerment to us no it's not, it's smoke and mirrors we don't need such appreciation if they can't make honest art about and including black people or any group then don't because it now feels embarrassing as if black people need help and saving! This goes to women aswell if they can't represent you honestly then go open your own company or make your own video game cause nobody would do it for you.

What in God's name is this nonsense? I've been reading different responses in this embarrassing but necessary thread and, your responses have certainly caught my eye.

First of all, you can stop telling us you're black. Nobody cares and saying so doesn't make your opinion more valuable or insightful. You're not the only black person in this thread and you don't speak for all of us.

So far, you hit the expected talking points, Obama, women, blah blah blah. Tbh, it's not surprising given the level of intellect on display in this thread.

On Topic:

There is some decent dialogue in this thread but there's also a whole lot of downright embarassing self centered garbage.

Imagine trying to spin caring about the rights and well being of others as a bad thing. I do understand some of the frustrations though and to me, it has to do with proportional representation. By that I mean, it seems like a minority of opinions or view points are over represented in the media. This over representation is perceived as an assualt on many peoples' personal constitution and that to me is the crux of the matter. It is no more and it is no less than that.

The problem is the black and white nature of the discussion. It's either all over representation is bad or all over representation is good. There seems to be no grey area. To me there are some things that are over represented that I perceive to be good and some to be bad.

On this thread:

The problem with this embarrassing thread and even more embarrassing op is the voluminous amount of egde lords watching their YouTube videos, living in their echo chambers, believing that their my way or the highway approach is conducive to proper dialogue. The bi-product of this is intellectual dishonest discussions otherwise know as time wasters. Tbh, that is what this thread is, nothing but a time waster. We have people delivering epic "tales from my ass" by making ridiculous claims about the profits of corporations, gross over generalizations of the industry as a whole, or even more annoyingly, gross over generalizations of groups of people. Usually, no evidence is presented to support theses ridiculous claims.

 

[Geki-D]

I don't think they care about my wallet I think they are funded by the government

Still waiting for your dodging ass to back this up, btw. What gouvernement is backing studios globally to push SJW politics?

 

[_Ex_]

What government is backing studios globally to push SJW politics?

Open Society Foundations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Shangounchained]

What in God's name is this nonsense? I've been reading different responses in this embarrassing but necessary thread and, your responses have certainly caught my eye.

First of all, you can stop telling us you're black. Nobody cares and saying so doesn't make your opinion more valuable or insightful. You're not the only black person in this thread and you don't speak for all of us.

So far, you hit the expected talking points, Obama, women, blah blah blah. Tbh, it's not surprising given the level of intellect on display in this thread.

On Topic:

There is some decent dialogue in this thread but there's also a whole lot of downright embarassing self centered garbage.

Imagine trying to spin caring about the rights and well being of others as a bad thing. I do understand some of the frustrations though and to me, it has to do with proportional representation. By that I mean, it seems like a minority of opinions or view points are over represented in the media. This over representation is perceived as an assualt on many peoples' personal constitution and that to me is the crux of the matter. It is no more and it is no less than that.

The problem is the black and white nature of the discussion. It's either all over representation is bad or all over representation is good. There seems to be no grey area. To me there are some things that are over represented that I perceive to be good and some to be bad.

On this thread:

The problem with this embarrassing thread and even more embarrassing op is the voluminous amount of egde lords watching their YouTube videos, living in their echo chambers, believing that their my way or the highway approach is conducive to proper dialogue. The bi-product of this is intellectual dishonest discussions otherwise know as time wasters. Tbh, that is what this thread is, nothing but a time waster. We have people delivering epic "tales from my ass" by making ridiculous claims about the profits of corporations, gross over generalizations of the industry as a whole, or even more annoyingly, gross over generalizations of groups of people. Usually, no evidence is presented to support theses ridiculous claims.

Your just angry and thick there's no point arguing with u

 

[Geki-D]

George Soros - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I especially like this part:

George Soros - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But please rather than just dropping a link, actually explain and backup your point.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Your just angry and thick there's no point arguing with u

You must really think highly of yourself to believe I had any interest in having an elongated discussion with tinfoil hat man? You're out here claiming that governments are funding "SJW's" and some Anita lady is out here influencing whole studios to change their games. Now why would I waste time with an individual like that? I only quoted you because your terrible and borderline outrageous takes are reflecting poorly on "black people", at least those of us that are not American. If you weren't out here tying to tell the whole world you're black, I'd have ignored your post and moved on. You're free to embarrass yourself as you see fit and from what I can tell, you're a real innovator in that space.

 

[Shangounchained]

You must really think highly of yourself to believe I had any interest in having an elongated discussion with tinfoil hat man? You're out here claiming that governments are funding "SJW's" and some Anita lady is out here influencing whole studios to change their games. Now why would I waste time with an individual like that? I only quoted you because your terrible and borderline outrageous takes are reflecting poorly on "black people", at least those of us that are not American. If you weren't out here tying to tell the whole world you're black, I'd have ignored your post and moved on. You're free to embarrass yourself as you see fit and from what I can tell, you're a real innovator in that space.

As I said it's pointless

 

[Shangounchained]

I especially like this part:

George Soros - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But please rather than just dropping a link, actually explain and backup your point.

 

[nowhat]

You're able to take a screenshot on your phone, good for you.

Now show how Soros (or whatever shadow government is pulling the strings) is affecting game developers.

 

[Fahdis]

Are we being invaded by SJW's again on GAF? Ban them outright. Neogaf is so much better when we don't have to deal with BS like that. You already have another forum to fuck about in.
I don't care about your Sexual Orientation, your Identity Politics, or whatever the fuck flavor you vape. Keep it out of my games.

Representation of characters is perfectly fine. I'll play as any race, gender (trans included), religion etc in any situation given as long as its not political - make them real people in a game in situations that are relatable (while we can discuss all of the above in real life).

 

[The_Mike]

Someone big is funding this people it's not a coincidence that movies series media schools everything's infested this isn't easy!

It's just made by a majority of leftists

 

[OuterOtter]

For me it's annoying if I already got attached to the previous games and a new woke sequel comes out. The Last of Us is probably the best example - it's one of the best games of the last decade imo and I've replayed it many times. I was excited when the sequel got announced, but that excitement didn't last very long and now I don't even plan on buying it, because I won't financially support the agenda it's trying to push.

Can you explain to me what agena are they trying to push with TLOU 2?

 

[Jon Neu]

Not really. I just object to the term, specifically when used to just belittle something someone doesn't like.
I think it's a cop out. By all means frame your issues and discuss, but SJW is just the new "political correctness gone mad". Although I see that "woke" is now replacing SJW...

I will point out that you've missed the point entirely in what I was saying. I didn't pass comment at all, was merely an observation as to the woke usage of SJW. It's PC gone mad. Etc etc.

So you're objecting to basically any term that describes extreme left politics, also dismissing it as if it's something people are just inventing things that doesn't exist.

Please, tell us how we should describe it and also not offend you at the same time.

 

[Jon Neu]

This in no way proves your point. Please tell me how Anita mind controls people to do what she wants or what actual position she held on the dev team to control a game's direction. Because otherwise it's still the devs making their own choices. Influence or not, plenty of things influence a creator without people suddenly claiming that the thing that influenced them took control of the whole project.

This idea that Anita has a supernatural power of influence over people by simply putting forward her positions just shows how desperate you are to put a human face on your SJW boogeyman.

I don't even like Anita but this idea that she's literally Satan...

lol The irony of talking about virtue signaling in a thread made for anti-SJWs to virtue signal to one another how much they hate SJWs Also dat classic opposition fallacy.

Oh boy, what a shitshow

You have literally the director of the arguably the most important game developer studio saying that Anita Sarkeesian is influencing his works, but somehow you talk about mind control in a silly attempt to dismiss the FACT that she and people like she have so many influence in the industry and it's narratives.

The dude literally idolizes her like she is some kind of heroine.

Stop embarassing yourself just because you can't see your precious politics being critized for their creepy indoctrination tactics and their crazy hateful mentality.

 

[Jon Neu]

She has seen how easy is to introduce herself and her toxic politics into videogames, she is literally trying to blackmail developers into hire her.

Hey, nice game you've got there. Be a damn shame if people started saying it was sexist...

 

[Virex]

These people that infiltrate and force their ideology in all forms of entertainment, publishing etc. Don't actual play games or read books or watch anime etc. They hate it with a passion. And they hate the people that play games etc. All they want is control of the various mediums of entertainment. That's all

 

[raduque]

I actually kinda hope that Idris Elba is the next Bond. Dude is cool and could pull it off, IMHO.

But I agree with your sentiment.

I can see Colin Salmon as a black Bond.

 

[llien]

So if I understand you correctly, heterosexual white males are the target demographic for most games...

Heterosexual males are THE ACTUAL CONSUMERS of the most games.
Is that "news" to you?

...and because of that, characters in said games outta be white?

That is the demographic game devs need to appeal to, whatever they fancy (which, sure as hell, includes white woman, actually, for most heterosexual males, regardless of race)

I guess I'm having an issue grasping the "whom do they want to see" part...

Nah, I don't think so.
You look like a person who is trying to escape from what he's being told.
Let me tried again: games are changed not because target demographic asks for it, but because "enlightened ones", who would go ans smear shit out of you, if you do not obey (see "Kingdom Come") so say. (and non, "just someone out there somewhere said something" doesn't fly.

The legend of console gaming gets shunned because a goddamn cretin who thinks you could throw stones from the moon to earth is shocked people had sex decades ago. Because, wait for it, organizers are too scared of smearing campaign that will follow, if they don't bend over backwards.

Is it still hard to grasp? Tell me, I'm quite eager to help.

 

[Saruhashi]

I actually don't really agree here. Or maybe I am just missing the obvious "SJW" stuff in the games that I am playing.

Sekiro and Death Stranding would be my games of the year at this point and I don't think there is much, if anything, going on with these games that is "SJW" related.

I think that the discussion surrounding gaming is definitely dominated by SJW talking points and it seems like with every new release somebody somewhere will find a grain of something "problematic" and will try to make something of it.

The indie scene is probably the place where you will find games with the most "SJW" content but even then these are usually pretty easy to spot and avoid.

The best thing to do is not give your money to developers and publishers who you feel are pushing this stuff.

Something I would say as well is that the main protagonist in The Last of Us 2 being LGBTQ really, really, isn't a big deal. Let's remember that we are talking about one game here. 2020 will have many huge releases and honestly this will probably be the only one that has this stuff front and center so I just don't see the trouble.

Same with Overwatch. It's fine if the game wants to be some flagship LGBTQ game. Actually, that's kind of cool. It's easy though to just look at the game and say "maybe that's not for me".

If anything the bigger problem right now is that people seem to have a really hard time accepting that some games are not for them.
Not just politically, but also in general. Like 200 games can be announced at E3 and people are still like "I was disappointed, worst E3 ever" just because most of those games are not for them.

At some point you just need to get over it. If Naughty Dog is pandering too much for your liking then just avoid their games.
Fuck it, if EVERY single game that comes out is a propaganda platform for some bullshit then just go back and play some old games.

If you go to Metacritic the top 5 best rated PS4 games are: RDR2, GTAV, The Last of Us, God of War and XCOM 2.
Surely none of those are over the top with any possible SJW content?

For Nintendo the top 5 are: Zelda BotW, Mario Odyssey, Divinity 2, Undertale and Smash Ultimate.
I've played all of those and I'm not sure if there is any SJW like content.

The community is fucked, yes. Games journalists are on a weird social justice tear, yes.
There seems to be a never ending line of idiots pushing college level "essays" about gaming and SJW nonsense.

However, regarding the content of games themselves and the massive variety of games on offer, I don't really see the issue.

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

This is why we must double down on supporting devs who do not pander to SJWs. Japanses devs come to my mind.

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

Heterosexual males are THE ACTUAL CONSUMERS of the most games.
Is that "news" to you?


That is the demographic game devs need to appeal to, whatever they fancy (which, sure as hell, includes white woman, actually, for most heterosexual males, regardless of sex)


Nah, I don't think so.
You look like a person who is trying to escape from what he's being told.
Let me tried again: games are changed not because target demographic asks for it, but because "enlightened ones", who would go ans smear shit out of you, if you do not obey (see "Kingdom Come") so say. (and non, "just someone out there somewhere said something" doesn't fly.

The legend of console gaming gets shunned because a goddamn cretin who thinks you could throw stones from the moon to earth is shocked people had sex decades ago. Because, wait for it, organizers are too scared of smearing campaign that will follow, if they don't bend over backwards.

Is it still hard to grasp? Tell me, I'm quite eager to help.

White-Knight syndrome runs deep among those affected by SJW propanganda

 

[GymWolf]

Lucky for us, some western develop like bend or cd project and almost all japanese devs are not developing games with swj shit inside.

But yeah, sometimes is pretty clear what agende some devs are trying to achieve with thier games...

 

[Handy Fake]

So you're objecting to basically any term that describes extreme left politics, also dismissing it as if it's something people are just inventing things that doesn't exist.

Please, tell us how we should describe it and also not offend you at the same time.

I'm putting it in the same bracket as those on the Far Left using the terms "fascist" and "racist" for anything they don't agree with. I'm fairly sure you don't agree with that.
It's just that you have a dog in the fight on this side that you can't see the pointlessness of using the term. It's overused to the point of meaningless.
I'm apathetic to it all. I'm not "offended". I just find it a sad indictment of the world today. Let's call it more a pet peeve.

Mind, if Metroid had come out today I suppose there'd be screams of "woke culture" and "SJW agendas" for having a female protagonist...

The world is so split and vitriolic, and I am so old and tired.

 

[Jon Neu]

I'm putting it in the same bracket as those on the Far Left using the terms "fascist" and "racist" for anything they don't agree with. I'm fairly sure you don't agree with that.

Again, false equivalencies.

We have factual evidence that SJW politics are being pushed by some of the most important people of the industry, your both sides deflection is just the epitome of intellectual laziness trying to dismiss the fact that SJW politics are creeping in on the industry.

It's just that you have a dog in the fight on this side that you can't see the pointlessness of using the term. It's overused to the point of meaningless.

It's overused because SJW politics are literally everywhere in the cultural media landscape and the political landscape.

Pointless? Not at all, it describes perfectly the type of toxic politics that are been forcefully put unto people's throats.

Mind, if Metroid had come out today I suppose there'd be screams of "woke culture" and "SJW agendas" for having a female protagonist...

Luckily, it came in a time in which the gender of a character wasn't a political weapon to get revenge on the evil white male gamers and the patriarchy. It came in a time in which games were made for fun, not for making political indoctrination.

That's why nobody cared to play as a woman, as a black man, as a trans or as anything else, because it wasn't all intoxicated with an aggressive political propaganda, it was just character choices.

 

[Sterling88]

Lucky for us, some western develop like bend or cd project and almost all japanese devs are not developing games with swj shit inside.

But yeah, sometimes is pretty clear what agende some devs are trying to achieve with thier games...

You say that, but look at the non-binary and trans stuff in Cyberpunk. CD Projekt are absolutely guilty of it.

 

[Fushitsusha]

The Swedish government probably loves to play them modern SJW games.

Sweden is hell. Easily the most "SJW" country. 9/10 are soy boys and danger hair feminists. It's all so tiresome.

 

[wordslaughter]

It's not just gaming. It has invaded most if not all forms of media. SJW, Political correctness, Cultural Marxists, Intersectionality … whatever you want to call it, it has invaded western civilization. We most certainly are in a cultural war.

I'm generally not opposed to new ideas influencing culture, arts and media. But this feels different. Less organic and more of a virus like contagion. More like "We are the new righteous puritans and we will shove our new ideology down your throats by force."

Just talking about gaming it's very obvious, just taking BFV and MK11 as recent examples. These "changes" get sold as being more inclusive or appealing to a broader market. This is how it gets sold to gamers and CEOs alike I'm sure.

Yeah, if only we changed history to include women in WWII and got rid of the sexy character models in MK11 we could also get women in on our games and double our market! But it doesn't work like that. There is probably nothing you can do to online shooters or blood soaked ultra violent fighting games that will get women onboard in any number - AND THAT'S OK.

Understanding who your market is and catering specifically to that market is more than OK, it's exactly what should be done.

These "changes" are more than just appealing to a broader audience or being more inclusive. They are about ideologues who have been completely brainwashed by intersectionality. People who legitimately hate men and boys. Who's main goal isn't even to make the best product or be profitable or any other rational goal. No, their goals are more inline with "sticking it to the patriarchy" , "getting even with men" , or fighting back against the racism and white supremacy they claim are everyhere.

It really IS all about pushing, squeezing, forcing their toxic ideology into absolutely everything. And it's not even subtle.

SOME game devs/publishers need to be reminded that straight men are their bread and butter.

 

[Eiknarf]

Back in the days I remember plugging in a game cartridge or disk and sit down to play and even as a 5 year old kid I could relate to the games I played, I knew horses could run fast and women were pretty and men were strong and guns kill and falling on lava is game over.

But nowadays besides the beautiful graphics you would think things would get better but instead we got worse you plug in a game you sit down and start learning politics, I don't know anybody I grew up with or played games with who ever asked for such politics not anybody I've ever known. It's being forced in my throat it's "FASCISM"

you could nail girls on the harem in god of war on the ps2 and somehow gaming sites and media complained about it, somehow they called it toxic masculinity, basically being a boy and doing boyish things is now toxic and bad, even days gone was hated for somehow having a straight male and kissing his girlfriend,
And somehow last of us 2 was praised for having a lesbian protagonist kissing her girlfriend I have a feeling it'll be even more praised if they include a lesbian sex scene in it.

In conclusion I can't help but feel that there is a big animosity and hate on men around maybe they hate us because we're too good too strong tall and we have balls, but we're born this way and try as you might this is how we come and if any developer is reading this, we are tired of your sjw agenda we need art back we need our games back stop invading our "MAN CAVE" we never invaded your make up room!

Wait
Days Gone had hatred because Deac kissed his fiancé?

I didn’t know that

What pissed me off was that after YEARS of Deac and his fiancé Sarah being not only separated but thinking each other were dead, when they finally bump into one another after all that time they don’t kiss or hug!!! That pissed me off and was the only part of the game I disliked

Did the developers purposely avoid having a male and female show affection towards each other there?

 

[BadSector]

Best AAA games this year had none of this SJW nonsense. (Sekiro, Star Wars Jedi, Death Stranding, Astral Chain, Control, Days Gone etc. etc has exactly zero SJW in them.) Yes, there are SOME games like that, (the latest Dontnod title will be like that and yes, it's annoying) but they are still a minority. And we had this shit in the past, I remember The Longest Journey (adventure "legend" from 2000), where one of the female lesbian NPC talked, talked and talked like forever to the main strong female character (who else?) about how wonderful the life with her lesbian girlfriend was. It was almost unbearably annoying and it was clearly in the game as an SJW thing about lesbians as it has also zero impact on the story or gameplay. So it's nothing new and not really prevalent in the video games industry of today. Movie business (especially Disney), that's another matter... Moral of the story: quit whining, start playing, this year was awesome gaming wise.

 

[BadSector]

Wait
Days Gone had hatred because Deac kissed his fiancé?

I didn’t know that

What pissed me off was that after YEARS of Deac and his fiancé Sarah being not only separated but thinking each other were dead, when they finally bump into one another after all that time they don’t kiss or hug!!! That pissed me off and was the only part of the game I disliked

Did the developers purposely avoid having a male and female show affection towards each other there?

Spoiler: Days Gone story spoiler

This was because she was watched all the time by the crazy military leader, who also wanted to fuck her and also the "lieutenant" (afro American dude), who also had a thing for her. And Sarah wasn't his fiancé, but his WIFE, which makes a big difference. So all this is justified in the story as they are both watched all the time for different reasons. Still, they do fuck a bit later, so no need to whine about that, Jesus.

 

[Revas]

Heterosexual males are THE ACTUAL CONSUMERS of the most games.
Is that "news" to you?


That is the demographic game devs need to appeal to, whatever they fancy (which, sure as hell, includes white woman, actually, for most heterosexual males, regardless of race)


Nah, I don't think so.
You look like a person who is trying to escape from what he's being told.
Let me tried again: games are changed not because target demographic asks for it, but because "enlightened ones", who would go ans smear shit out of you, if you do not obey (see "Kingdom Come") so say. (and non, "just someone out there somewhere said something" doesn't fly.

The legend of console gaming gets shunned because a goddamn cretin who thinks you could throw stones from the moon to earth is shocked people had sex decades ago. Because, wait for it, organizers are too scared of smearing campaign that will follow, if they don't bend over backwards.

Is it still hard to grasp? Tell me, I'm quite eager to help.

Why are you are mad?

I really had to prod in order to make sure I understood your point. I think the problem is that you've over-estimated your leverage as the "target demographic". Publishers don't just want your money, they want my money, her money and their money also. So while you can reiterate instances where you believe there was some great injustice done in the industry in the name of "diversity" - for the most part it's done in an honest attempt to have broader appeal, sell more copies and make more money. Yes good old capitalism is at work here and you will just have to deal with it.

 

[llien]

Why are you are mad?

Tone down BS bruh. I am not "mad", least so at you.

I really had to prod in order to make sure I understood your point.

It doesn't look like you did, so let me ask which part of this:

1) Let me tried again: games are changed not because target demographic asks for it, but because "enlightened ones", who would go ans smear shit out of you, if you do not obey (see "Kingdom Come") so say. (and non, "just someone out there somewhere said something" doesn't fly.
2) The legend of console gaming gets shunned because a goddamn cretin who thinks you could throw stones from the moon to earth is shocked people had sex decades ago. Because, wait for it, organizers are too scared of smearing campaign that will follow, if they don't bend over backwards.

you can reiterate instances where you believe there was some great injustice done in the industry in the name of "diversity"

Uh, nope, it's #2, there is no "marketing" to it, just fear that "fuckers will smear us, let's bend over backwards instead".

Publishers don't just want your money, they want my money, her money and their money also.
Yes good old capitalism...

If you say so:

Star Wars: Kathleen Kennedy Says She Doesn't Need To Cater To Male Fans

Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy addresses the 'political correctness' of Rogue One being the second Star Wars movie with a female lead.

screenrant.com

#TheForceIsFemale

 

[Revas]

Tone down BS bruh. I am not "mad", least so at you.


It doesn't look like you did, so let me ask which part of this:

1) Let me tried again: games are changed not because target demographic asks for it, but because "enlightened ones", who would go ans smear shit out of you, if you do not obey (see "Kingdom Come") so say. (and non, "just someone out there somewhere said something" doesn't fly.
2) The legend of console gaming gets shunned because a goddamn cretin who thinks you could throw stones from the moon to earth is shocked people had sex decades ago. Because, wait for it, organizers are too scared of smearing campaign that will follow, if they don't bend over backwards.


Uh, nope, it's #2, there is no "marketing" to it, just fear that "fuckers will smear us, let's bend over backwards instead".


If you say so:

Star Wars: Kathleen Kennedy Says She Doesn't Need To Cater To Male Fans

Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy addresses the 'political correctness' of Rogue One being the second Star Wars movie with a female lead.

screenrant.com

#TheForceIsFemale

So, after watching Rogue One you felt like the movie was not made with you in mind?

 

[Skyfox]

Just cancelled my patreon for Easy allies again.

This one is on you Michael "Trans week" Damiani.

 

[KiteGr]

There are both pros and cons.

On one hand, there are very few community based organism that puts it's breeders on the front lines... And humans are not built to be among them.
On the other hand, Video games are a power fantasy and clients of both sexes deserve to participate in it.

On one hand, men are not designed to be impressed by a woman's strength, so a push in sexiness is kind of necessary to make the characters more likable.
On the other hand, no sane woman would go to battle wearing an armored bikini.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Y'all are wild, I just don't buy the SJW games. It that easy

 

[llien]

So, after watching Rogue One you felt like the movie was not made with you in mind?

I thought you said companies wanted to cover "wider range" of consumers.
I've cited producer literally telling major demographic to go have kamasutra with themselves.
And now you ask which movie was created "with me in mind", seriously?

The attempt to cover woke moves with "going after bigger demographic" is an obvious lie. It happens because influential group of vile zealots pushes for it.

 

[ThatGamingDude]

I'm still baffled that people are amazed that most people they talk to are fucking stupid Myself included

It's not "omgerd they're injecting politics," It's "This person is a fuck head, no reason to waste my time."

It hasn't changed since the dawn of time.

 

[Katsura]

Why are you are mad?

I really had to prod in order to make sure I understood your point. I think the problem is that you've over-estimated your leverage as the "target demographic". Publishers don't just want your money, they want my money, her money and their money also. So while you can reiterate instances where you believe there was some great injustice done in the industry in the name of "diversity" - for the most part it's done in an honest attempt to have broader appeal, sell more copies and make more money. Yes good old capitalism is at work here and you will just have to deal with it.

So when the lead the dev of BF5 said he deliberately changed historic events because of his daughter and that he was sure he was on the right side of history for doing it, that was capitalism?

 

[Shadowstar39]

You say that, but look at the non-binary and trans stuff in Cyberpunk. CD Projekt are absolutely guilty of it.

Cyberpunk actually it makes sense. Physical augmentation and dystopian future with trans humanism. Artifical augmentation. In this game it's all good. The problem was the sjws not liking dev making a joke, think it was "did you just assume my gender" or maybe it was attack helicopter, forget which, on Twitter. That caused a reeeeeeing followed by white knighting and a apology on Twitter followed by "reeeee not good enough, fire said employee". Then they put a sign in game with a chick looking person with a buldge and again a reeeee. Didnt understand the complaints on that as it fit with the game. You would think they would appreciate it but apparently not.
Anyway cyberpunk plot supports all this and hell they could even incorporate Twitter bullshit in some plot point, in the alternate earth future. I'm all for that.

Now a game about middle ages Europe having a bunch of gay gender fluid characters with rainbow hair and spout 21 century talking points and concerns yeah no, that crap is what doesn't make sense. Just like having women front line fighting with tattoos and prosthetic arms in ww2 or them putting a mom and daughter team taking the place of a dozen men in an actual historic event which disrepects history and the people who fraught on said mission.

Cyberpunk makes sense. I only hope cdprojekt doesn't give in to insanity and make what they want. Can you imagine the backlash the Witcher 1 sex cards would have today. In that game you got naked sex cards of each woman you banged in game. It was some beautiful fantasy artwork.