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IHS Markit Analyst Predicts That the PlayStation 5 Will Outsell Xbox Series X at Launch
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SleepDoctor
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The lockhart is probably being kept under wraps until they see if Sony undercuts the price on the Xsx. So they can undercut them if lockhart is weaker than Ps5.
alabtrosMyster
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I am never so sure of anything before sh*t hit the fan, backward compatibility may prove to be a hindrance to sales. Also games now probably look much closer to what they will look 5 or 6 years from now than they did when the PS4 was introduced, casuals may never feel the need to upgrade.
So which will outsell the other will depend on how they handle each launches, I would not bet either way as every company can embarrass themselves in either their core strategy or their execution of it. Also, Phil has many groupies that go around and praise his every words, Sony doesn't have a super star at their helm (I don't get the love for Phil, but it's definitely there) that could play a factor in how the company's communication strategy works in the end.
2 - You were answering to someone who pointed out that Global sales matter, this is a fair assessment, outselling a competitor in the US and being outsold in the global market (in total) is like winning the first 10meters of the 100meters dash, it's nice but you don't win the race.
The Xbox One was marketed as a premium gaming experience by MS, everybody made fun of it (it was such a blatant lie). They have a product, the marketing team will do their best to sell it, that's it, this is their job.
So:
If one console is more powerful and cost more than the other it may not impact its sales too much in developed countries (that depends on how perceivable the difference is, and what the price difference is)... then again we are due for a recession anytime now.
Games selection at launch could play a decisive role, or at least trust that great games are coming, Sony has a definitive edge in the general public on that side (like Nintendo, they can sell the Switch which is under-powered and overpriced on the back of their games alone).... MS still need to prove themselves, I know they have new studios, but they have not released anything under new management, and we don't know what their mandates are, will their games be riddled with GaaS "features"? Micro transactions galore? or just an emphasis on Multi-Player (which is good to some people, just not me).
So which will outsell the other will depend on how they handle each launches, I would not bet either way as every company can embarrass themselves in either their core strategy or their execution of it. Also, Phil has many groupies that go around and praise his every words, Sony doesn't have a super star at their helm (I don't get the love for Phil, but it's definitely there) that could play a factor in how the company's communication strategy works in the end.
1 - American is not a race (unless you are a white supremacist yourself, then American means white)
2 - You were answering to someone who pointed out that Global sales matter, this is a fair assessment, outselling a competitor in the US and being outsold in the global market (in total) is like winning the first 10meters of the 100meters dash, it's nice but you don't win the race.
This is not what he meant by race :-/ However to be fair what he meant by "race" is population.
Well perception before launch is one thing, what counts will be what each console will deliver and their relative prices.
The Xbox One was marketed as a premium gaming experience by MS, everybody made fun of it (it was such a blatant lie). They have a product, the marketing team will do their best to sell it, that's it, this is their job.
So:
If one console is more powerful and cost more than the other it may not impact its sales too much in developed countries (that depends on how perceivable the difference is, and what the price difference is)... then again we are due for a recession anytime now.
Games selection at launch could play a decisive role, or at least trust that great games are coming, Sony has a definitive edge in the general public on that side (like Nintendo, they can sell the Switch which is under-powered and overpriced on the back of their games alone).... MS still need to prove themselves, I know they have new studios, but they have not released anything under new management, and we don't know what their mandates are, will their games be riddled with GaaS "features"? Micro transactions galore? or just an emphasis on Multi-Player (which is good to some people, just not me).
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Shin
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Probably 599 incoming from MS, there has to be something that goes wrong - it always does.
Spencer also echoed that it will be priced to match it's performance/what's inside the box.
Sony will play it safe and stick with 399, great for practically everyone, but a I find it boring
Bryank75
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Of course as a Sony fan I want them to win but I want XBox to do ok too....
I hope they have a few wins during the generation to keep them content and committed to the industry.
I much rather MS than Google be the other player in the industry.
A repeat of this generation would be ok, except I'd like to see Xbox hit 55 million sales or a bit more, while PlayStation also increases their overall sales.
I hope they have a few wins during the generation to keep them content and committed to the industry.
I much rather MS than Google be the other player in the industry.
A repeat of this generation would be ok, except I'd like to see Xbox hit 55 million sales or a bit more, while PlayStation also increases their overall sales.
Heinrich
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So? This was something completely different. I never said that because of them being a Japanese company, I own a Switch myself.
the main reason for what I said was the censorship by Sony, the extremely anti-Gamer and anti-Developer behavior of Sony.
Sony is actually holding back the entire industry, and the gamer and developers are paying the price for that.
For example, crossbuy and crossplay. At the beginning Sony didn’t want that - EVERYONE else wanted that - EVEN FREAKING NINTENDO (!!). I would even understand Nintendo saying no, because they have a complete different audience, but even they said YES, whereas Sony is saying no and therefore holding back the entire industry.
This hurts the gamer and the developers and that’s why I said and hope that, so that Sony stops being arrogant Sony and starts to collaborate. This would be better for EVERYONE! Also, for YOU as a Gamer. Yes, you!
I honestly don’t know why you even are against crossplay and crossbuy... or you are even pro censorship. WTF? I don’t get it.
You should use some VALID arguments, like I do, and not some „huehuehue Americans huehuehue“
DeltaPolarBear
Member
You need the games to show that power.
One thing that PS3 failed to do at launch, was the existence of genuinely impressive titles that justify the price. All that power was no where to be seen in the games themselves, until years later when 1st party games finally figured out how to multithread.
You can't just market power. You need games.
it_wasn't_me
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So? You're accusing me to be anti-american because i don't like Xbox, yet you wrote "anti Sony" posts. So much about "So". Im not anti-american because i don't like Xbox. WTF? According to your logic, i don't like Mercedes cars, i'm probably a racist and anti-German??? WTF?
Btw. If you didn't know, in console space, Sony supports crossplay way longer than MS in a way: console - PC. And also MS refused Sony for crossplay last-gen.
I've never said that and also i'm not against it. You'll be reported for that because twisting my own words and false accusations
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Hobbygaming
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They have put out great games on every console that they've released. People know what they're getting with the PS5
Hobbygaming
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Those are things that won't matter to the majority of gamers
yurinka
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Looking at the current install base I think it's pretty obvious that unless PS5 launch has different huge mistakes they already did with PS3 launch, it will outsell MS by a big margin again.
Consider that, even if the same % of PS4 and XBO users convert to the same brands in next gen, PS5 will increase by a big margin.
Consider that, even if the same % of PS4 and XBO users convert to the same brands in next gen, PS5 will increase by a big margin.
ResilientBanana
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Expecting PS5 to outsell XSX is a no brainer when you have no idea what’s being offered outside of the two next-gen games that were revealed. But let’s face it, the games will sell the systems and if both Microsoft and Sony come out swinging, its anyone’s guess.
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Strife In a Teacup
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Missed opportunity for Pachter to be right for once in his videogame prediction life.
Nemesis Prime
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with backwards compatibility becoming a real thing across both consoles, I think it’s important they start pulling in people into their ecosystem early on. It will become more and more unlikely for people to switch brands in the future as the article stated.
I expect them to take a short term loss here for long term gain
Panajev2001a
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Agreed, for both of them is essential to move over as much of the user base and do it as early as possible so that will play with pricing and user “incentives” such as performance profile, BC, etc...
Genx3
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Xbox also does well in the UK, Canada, Mexico, Brazil and other Latin American nations.
Other than leaving that out I agree that Play Station is a much stronger brand than Xbox.
DeepEnigma
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This would be the safest bet one could ever make.
Texas Pride
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It's a pretty safe bet given Sony's brand power world wide and their track record. Not exactly a huge leap this guy is making.
Shin
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Spencer needs Shuhei or more people like him to make things happen, too many 3rd party games don't make it to Xbox.
Gavon West
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What's utterly hilarious is how outdated most of the comments in this thread are. Lol
If we were talking about 2012, maybe they would be relevant. But clearly it isn't going to be all about consoles sold next gen. Thats just one piece of a much bigger puzzle now. Services and streaming will expand gaming into a much, much bigger piece of gaming real estate. And before anyone starts touting about it being "all about the exclusives" Xbox will have plenty heavy hitters of their own.
Its a new world boys and girls. Y'all should move to the front of bus instead of staying in the back. Starting to sound like you exist in a vacuum.
Oh, wait...
If we were talking about 2012, maybe they would be relevant. But clearly it isn't going to be all about consoles sold next gen. Thats just one piece of a much bigger puzzle now. Services and streaming will expand gaming into a much, much bigger piece of gaming real estate. And before anyone starts touting about it being "all about the exclusives" Xbox will have plenty heavy hitters of their own.
Its a new world boys and girls. Y'all should move to the front of bus instead of staying in the back. Starting to sound like you exist in a vacuum.
Oh, wait...
Bryank75
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It's important to have a simple message, that this is the console and you need to buy to play all these games. By muddying the message and saying... You can buy our console and play these games or play them on PC or these other places, you give an excuse to people not to buy.
Also, now people already have tens and possibly hundreds of digital games that will carry forward.
PlayStation and Nintendo will not be putting their games on other platforms.... Unless there is a very good reason.
Console gaming is the industry, to determine a winner you generally see who has sold the most.
We can all see how Stadia was quickly forgotten but everyone is excited for these new consoles.
Streaming and subscription gaming is just boring and forgettable... It's a big nothing.
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New Yorks Finest
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Wait..whaa?..who predicts?..ohhhhhh
magnumpy
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next-gen! it always instills such hope and fascination and fear of the future and awesomeness I just can't get enough! oh and stadia... well it was a good try but as far as I can tell it's just a big turd. the ps5 controller I feel will have a large amount of surprise features, I mean we'll have to wait and see but I have a lot of hope. I'm ready to be blown away by everyone, don't let me down fellas!!1 xD
Jigsaah
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360 begs to differ
Cert.in.Death
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Wouldn’t you expect it to? Nothing more needs to be said, you can get Xbox on other devices, the presence of choice invariably dilutes demand.
ethomaz
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? PS3 sold way more than 360 at launch... it is not even close lol
360 launch shipment (1st quarter): 1.5m
PS3 launch shipment (1st quarter): 1.84m
360 2nd quarter shipment: 1.7m
PS3 2nd quarter shipment: 1.93m
I can list the next quarters if you wish.
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Hobbygaming
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Consoles are still the biggest piece of that puzzle and they will be for a very long time
Gavon West
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This
You can keep pushing that ancient narrative though. Jeez! You guys call yourselves enthusiasts.... Lol
This gen, maybe. Next gen, no. No they won't be. Xbox is bigger than just a static box under your TV. They have a plethora of avenues to dominate next gen.
You can keep pushing that ancient narrative though. Jeez! You guys call yourselves enthusiasts.... Lol
it_wasn't_me
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Launch aligned PS3 was selling more and faster globally.
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Hobbygaming
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Reaching 2 billion gamers through game streaming is that what you're talking about?? Because I see flaws in that strategy lol
Gavon West
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Because running trillion dollar corporations is what you do for a living, right?........ RIGHT???
Who gives a shit about what you think about their strategy. Lol. No offense
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LazyParrot
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This thread isn't about who is going to win next gen or how they're going to do it, it's about number of consoles sold at launch, and it would be absolutely stupid to assume that Microsoft can pull ahead here.
It's perfectly possible for people in charge of huge multinational corporations to come up with plans and strategies that are unbelievably stupid. Remember, the people in charge at MS back in 2012 thought the original Xbox One concept was a great idea.
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Gavon West
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You can't make such a call. You don't know what Microsoft all has for next gen. This isn't Xbox 2013. This is an entirely different division than we've ever known. There won't be the same mistakes made last gen. There's 20+ teams and 15 studios working on new IP. GP is a monster, Series X is already the most powerful console and a shit load of other factors I guess you're just deciding to ignore. Point being....
.. You don't know what's gonna happen next gen.
Hobbygaming
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Lol I'm just saying, I don't think there's many cell phone gamers out there who would rather play AAA games on their phones. PlayStation also has the mindshare worldwide
Gavon West
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You just don't make a comment like yours half cocked. Game streaming is an option but it does broaden the landscape immensely. And it will be a huge benefactor when it comes down to "winners and loosers" next gen.
CatLady
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If it's the same price as the PS5 AND weaker it's DOA
StreetsofBeige
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Please do I'd like to see it.
You have two quarters listed. Let's see a full year for both, and actual sales, not shipments.
And links to see where you get the data from.
It seems both systems ended around the same amount at around 85 million, but 360 had a one year head start.
So also include what 360's first year head start sales are, so we can all determine what sales lead PS3 had over the remaining 6-7 years combined to make it so both systems had around 85 or million at the end.
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New Yorks Finest
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Obsessive fanatics from Sony Lands ego alone, won't let them by Xbox instead..their loyalty is unseen and unmatched.
..the idea alone when X series dominates, panic and and Blood Pressure will hit numbers on the scale never seen before.
MoreJRPG
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And those 20+ teams won't sell consoles in Japan, France, Spain, now Germany, areas that Microsoft has zero foothold in no matter how good the games are because PlayStation is so ingrained in the consumers of those countries. The best they can hope for is swinging the UK back in their favour as well as Canada, Australia and NZ but that still doesn't make up for the rest.
In terms of One X being the most powerful console, it did nothing for the sales gap. No one bought it because it came out too late in the gen and the average consumer wouldn't even know what flops, gpu, ram, etc. even mean.
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Hobbygaming
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*Morgan Freeman good luck gif*
LazyParrot
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Yeah, and neither do you. What makes you so sure MS will suddenly pull ahead when they have never done so in the past? They even ended up losing out against PS3 in the end, an absolute disaster of a console in terms of design, hardware and pricing.
PocoJoe
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Wont innovate, well I dont think so. They innovate in many areas where others have stopped. Like cameras and even on phones they have been the first to have many features but dont get credit. So I dont think that they quit doing what they do.
And gaming doesnt need much of gimmicks anyway, just good games.
Crossplay = why would Sony gamer care about it? There are enough players in online games anyway + not many have xbox(Outside of US). None of my friends play on xbox and that is probably same for many, people buy the same system.
Censorship = not good but people really dont care, only super fans.
I just dont get the raging about crossplay, I have never met person irl that would care or need it.
But I guess if at US there are 50/50 sony/ms then not all in friend group have the same system. With randoms? Why would it matter
Gavon West
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I didn't say they would, super genius. I'm saying next gen won't be a repeat of this one with Sony dominating the show. That much is certain.