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Kotaku Sources: Horizon Zero Dawn coming to PC
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MayauMiao
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I got RE2 on Steam instead of PS4 for that reason. The bikini mods for Claire won me over.
DigitalScrap
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I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone would think Sony games going to PC is a bad thing. Just like I never understood everyone piling on about MS putting Xbox games on PC. How could this possibly be bad? If you want to play on console, buy the game on your console of choice. For those who want to play on PC, buy it on PC.
I don't understand thecult team mentality that a lot of console gamers have. More places to play is great. You should find something else that gives you a sense of meaning rather than fanboying for the console of your choice. Even if they begin to drop on PC right at release, why would this be bad? You still get to play it on your console, while others play it on PC. I guess some people just have a need to feel like they belong to something (meaningless). Play GAMES, not devices.
I'm all for this move personally.
I don't understand the
I'm all for this move personally.
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Bumblebeetuna
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It removes a battlefield for console warriors. No more exclusives to gloat about kills a lot of their agenda. Of course at the end of the day the games being console and PC is nothing but good for the consumer.
StreetsofBeige
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Yup.
And those console warriors know they are going to get an ass kicking back.
The second all those console games become multiplat and PC gamers with good rigs chime into threads saying their version is best, and also has mods, settings and options to boot, every one of those console gloaters will crawl under a rock.
And even funnier, when those same games have crossplay between console and PC get ready for PC gamers with aimbots to destroy lobbies. lol
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Airbus Jr
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Its true...
All of this are still hypotetical rumours...
But people are already jump on conclusion...
Id say we should wait for official confirmation...
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VFXVeteran
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Sony would have killed the rumor by now. And with the info that us insiders know, it's only a matter of time before it's official.
DigitalScrap
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I just clicked through and read some of the comments. There is seriously something wrong with some of those people.
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StreetsofBeige
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Dude, you got to give us another secret nugget of news. PM me. I swear I wont tell anyone! lol
Bryank75
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Well I feel the same, I am seriously considering just cancelling my pre-order / deposit.
This shit does not fly with me.
StreetsofBeige
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I skimmed the first 20 or so. That was enough. lol
VFXVeteran
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DigitalScrap
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Can you explain why? I really want to try to understand. The psychology behind these sorts of things is fascinating to me.
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Bryank75
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I don't want crossplay, I don't want cross save, I want exclusives to stay exclusive and I want PlayStation to be super aggressive and buy more studios / publishers.
More like Nintendo than Microsoft.... I buy Nintendo and Sony and I want them to stand by what their hardcore fans expect form them.
There is absolutely no benefit to them publishing a game on other platforms, it muddies the waters and undermines a platform that has been built over 25 years.
StreetsofBeige
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Apple did the same thing.
From maker of computers before 2000 for a niche crowd, to super popular mainstream maker of media gadgets and phones starting in the 2000s for anyone.
The company is more successful, makes better products, and more people enjoy Apple products than ever before.
Why should an Apple hippy from 1986 care?
DigitalScrap
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Well, we don't yet know that there will be cross play. I don't play online FPS games, but I could legitimately see that being terrible for those that do (controller vs. KBM, aimbots, etc.).
Cross save is actually great. Not sure why one wouldn't want to be able to pick up where they left off across devices. How is that a bad thing?
I know a lot of people LOVE exclusives, but I don't really understand why. It's not like exclusive games make one part of some exclusive club - look how many PS4s have been sold - not much exclusivity in that.
It just seems like a strange emotional response by many when they won't actually be losing anything at all in reality.
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Bryank75
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iOS is exclusive to iPhone, Mac OS is exclusive to Mac.
All of Apples success is based on the iconic industrial design of Jonny Ives, I feel it's totally different.
StreetsofBeige
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And according to hardcore Apple fans, Apple were traitors..... going Intel, allowing Windows to run, going totally mainstream. The whole rebel image and anti-Big Blue got thrown out 20 years ago when they decided the best thing to do is go mainstream if they want sales.
To promote iPod, they even hired the most well known mainstream band in the world with U2.
iTunes was originally only for Apple gear. Then released on Windows years later for the PC crowd.
And it worked.
The typical person using Apple products is a lot different than the hardcore fan decades ago. But so what. Why care? Because there's someone else using a Macbook at Starbucks when 20 years ago you'd be the only one in a 5 mile radius with one?
Who cares.
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DigitalScrap
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Well, as a lifelong Apple user (not exclusively, but ever since the Apple II I have had Apple computers), I remember a similar outcry by Apple fans when they announced they were going X86 - people we upset, while I was ecstatic. I previously had to have both a Mac and a Windows PC to do the things I did professionally - there were some applications that were only available on Windows. Once Bootcamp came out, that was it - now I only have Windows PCs for gaming. The first things I do when I get a new Mac is to install Windows on Bootcamp and then also use that Bootcamp installation as a VM in Parallels. Now I can run the few Windows apps I need to alongside my Mac apps. More choice is always a great thing.
I don't see Sony stopping selling consoles for a long time - those who want to play on console will, and those who want to play on PC will. In the end, Sony can reach more people. It will actually be a big win for them I think.
I knew this day would eventually come as soon as the consoles went to X86 architecture. It just makes sense. I mean, most console only players will not likely switch to PC - just one of my graphics cards cost more than a console. So there will still be a market for both.
I used to have gaming PCs AND bought all the consoles - now I won't. But I will still buy the games, and the money isn't made in selling consoles - it's the software sales that matters.
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Bryank75
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It won't, it will be a huge loss. They have an enviable position as a place where you can play all the big games as well as a lot of excellent / award winning exclusives.
They earn money by attracting people due to this combination of extensive and high quality content and affordable / good value product.
If exclusives go to PC it will massively detract from the platform as it takes a piece of that puzzle away... it hits hardcore PS gamers hardest and they have the most influence on later adopters.
StreetsofBeige
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Video games are a weird thing.
I don't think even rich snobs with high end cars, jewelry and Gucci gear care if they see other people have it. I have a pretty slick car. There's not many of them on the road, but every once in a while I see one. When I do, it's wow! Cool! I've never once thought..... awww shit. Now someone else has it.
GreenAlien
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You would be wrong. "Limited Editions" and "Originals" are popular for a reason (well, there can be multiple reasons of course, but one of them is. "I am the only one/one of the rare few who has this, aren't I great"?)
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StreetsofBeige
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Fair enough.... for things which are one of a kind, or there's a limited print of 100 copies.
But the same thinking for a product line like video game systems where there's 100 million across the world?
90 million to 40 million and loss of exclusives was one of the 3 reasons why MS are not coming back. Obsidian, playground,initiative and inexile could all hit home runs and it not matter people just pirate or buy it from gabe at rock bottom prices from Russia or whatever scam there is this week on PC. Console gamers lost 1 platform, 1 is probably on the verge of death. So if some are protective of the last healthy platform out there oh well. So to say it is meaningless is disingenuous when it can help decay a platform we seen it happen to MS and the decay of the xbox.
DigitalScrap
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Xbox was suffering long before bringing Xbox games to PC though. The problem was the butchered launch and lack of compelling games this generation (except for a few). Gamepass and bringing games to PC have nothing to do with where they are right now.
nikolino840
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Twitter gone mad
Explosive Zombie
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Endless Fluff
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Xbox has also been growing steadily ever since Spencer took over. Their revenue has been increasing each year. Gamepass and bringing games to PC actually made them grow.
I can also see Sony doing this because the console market as a whole isn't growing. Attach rate is lower than it was back when PS2 was a thing. It's not as bad as PS3 did, though. I can see investors pushing for this, especially now that Microsoft has proven that it can be successful.
sunnysideup
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you do understand that sony makes money from third party sales, and not their own games right?
Endless Fluff
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And they'd make more money when they sell their exclusives on other platforms, especially when they make something similar to Gamepass further down the line.
HzD could be a test run for all we know.
GymWolf
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Just wait and play the game on pc at 60 frames.
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sunnysideup
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The money they can make from first party sales on pc is peanuts compared to the money they make on third party sales playstation, thanks to their 100+ install base. Imagine that they take a 30% cut on every cod, gta, rdr, fifa, madden sold on playstation.
This will never be the case on pc. Sony can never take a 30% cut on pc. Third parties have their own stores, launchers.
leaking exclusives to pc can only damage the adoption of ps5. Which inturn will hurt playstation in the long run.
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GymWolf
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If this was fake, sony would speak about it immediately.
I don't trust shittaku either, but sony silence is a big enough proof to me.
Endless Fluff
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Yes, of course it's peanuts, but more money is still more money.
And, yes... you are right. Sony can't take that 30% cut (even though they could if they made a PSN for PC client), but why would they want to when they can just make a subscription based model like Gamepass?
There are around a 100 million active Steam accounts, there were tens of millions of people willing to pay 10 bucks a month for WoW. Who would ignore such a market when you have a monstrous brand like Sony has with Playstation? I see that subscription based model as the endgame here, HzD could be a test to see how many people would actually want a PS4 exclusive on PC.
Again, it works for Microsoft. Sony see, Sony do. Like always.
sunnysideup
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Does it really work for ms? Especially if you compare to What Playstation has achived this gen?
I think Xbox is pretty much Done.
I think Xbox is pretty much Done.
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Hypereides
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Quite honestly, they only have themselves to blame. These AAA budgets have spiraled beyond whats reasonable. Most of the time, the money doesn't really show in the final product. There's been far too many studios who have been casualties of unrealistic expectations and disproportionate budgets. The AAA figureheads should really consider to rethink their current business model.
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Endless Fluff
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This is a good question and I'd love to see Microsofts numbers here... but the only number we have is their annual FY report and their revenue is going up by 10-15% each year for the past 3 years. So whatever they're doing is working, otherwise they wouldn't keep on growing... so it obviously works.
ZywyPL
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This is all true, however this won't change the fact that all the people who don't want a PC will still keep buying the consoles, and all the 3rd party games there. On a contrary, people who prefer PC and don't want to get any of the consoles, will now be able to play/purchase games that were previously unavailable.
Take a guy like me for example - I have almost completely skipped this gen consoles, but MS is getting quite a chunk of money from me from all the XB games available on PC, whereas Sony didn't got a single penny. And MS games not being available on PC wouldn't make me buy XB1 and keep buying games (especially 3rd party ones) there.
Bottom line is, the publishers have all the data, staff of business analyst, they did their calculations and it obviously works in the grand scheme of things.
Wow. I didn't realize it was this bad...
I'm not sure what's bad?
petran79
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Console exclusives are not just about games. They want users into their "ecosystem" as well, meaning online subscriptions that saved Xbox and PS in the long run with billions € in revenue. Eg Xbox exclusives fare infinitely better on Steam compared to Windows /Xbox Store. Meaning pc players don't want to move to the inferior Xbox live system. While console players moving to Steam where no subscription is required would be far more enticing
because it has always been the only reason to get a PS4/PS5. the exclusive games. Everything else is objectively better on xbox. more power, all thirdparty games looked and ran better on xbox one X, and according to rumors Series X will be 30% more powerful so, those third party games will be better on xbox., also Better infrastructure, better controller, gamepass, cheaper etc. whats left, if now those exclusive game come to PC?
sid2vicious
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People forget, this is not the first time Sony exclusives came to PC. If I recall Twisted Metal 2 and Jet Moto came to PC years ago, and no one batted an eye then. I didn't see anything changed in the so called ecosystem, people who wants to game Sony consoles still do so. How quickly people forget.
sunnysideup
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pc back then was a completely different market. They had different audiences. Just getting a controller to work was hell.
Today, pc is playstations main competitor. They offer roughly the same thing.
Kacho
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Sony fanboys melting down
You don't say.
I supppse meltdown over tvtvtv was also from "funboys" last time. Look how that helped MSFT!!!
I'm not sure I'm interested in a personality discussion though.
ZywyPL
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Competitor lol, that's how kids see it, not the execs of all those billion dollar companies. For exaple, Sony could limit selling their TVs exclusively to their officially Sony Centers, but instead they offer them in all those Media Markts, Saturns, Amazon etc. because they can reach much, MUCH broader audience doing so, generating much more revenue in the process, the stores are just a platform for selling their hardware, and exact same rule applies to videogames - PC, consoles, laptops, tablets, handhelds, smartphone, all are just potential platforms for selling the software.
sunnysideup
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execs makes huge mistakes all the time. They are human. Just look at current gen xbox, ps3, wiiu. happens all the time.
Ps4 has been hugely successful staying to the golden path. By not buying into hype like mobile is the future. consoles are dead.
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Kacho
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I’m not sure what your point is here
mejin
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It doesn't, but with Sony mute, the narrative is getting bigger and bigger. It's like MS has the winning formula and Sony just "wake up" and is trying to follow which we all know it is completely false.
Even with all the "expansion", MS ecossystem couldn't compete with Sony "limited" one.
It is crazy how much shit people are spilling on the internet right now.
We won't know the impact of Sony's decision right now it is something that could possible burn them in the medium to long term. if you kill your differential, you are just another box
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