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If you care about PS5 vs Xbox Series X performance, you should just build a PC

PayPal money? Calm down man, It's not that serious ((LMAO at GTX 1660)).......I live in another country, PayPal isn't supported there, you're so angry and worked up over plastic and transistors, It's OK man, It's OK.
It's ok to pussy out, but not after making a fool of yourself. What else is supported? I got cashapp, venmo, boa transfers, Facebook transfers, etc. What works for you. I need to see this rtx 2080 (not even the 2080 super) performance for you to get paid. Let's not back out now. If you are wrong, you don't owe me a penny. How's that raise the stakes for you? This is how confident I am.
 
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LED Guy?

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It's ok to pussy out, but not after making a fool of yourself. What else is supported? I got cashapp, venmo, boa transfers, Facebook transfers, etc. What works for you. I need to see this rtx 2080 (not even the 2080 super) performance for you to get paid. Let's not back out now. If you are wrong, you don't owe me a penny. How's that raise the stakes for you? This is how confident I am.
Yo LMAO!! I really do not see want (or read your replies) you getting so worked up, why bet money over it? I told you I'm confident in it LOL!!
 
Yo LMAO!! I really do not see want (or read your replies) you getting so worked up, why bet money over it? I told you I'm confident in it LOL!!
I'm not worked up. But I love to see when people claim something, but completely fall flat on their face, when you call their bluff. Its crazy that you wouldn't take a bet, that you have nothing to lose in, but could gain so much. And that is how we can all see your claim will be b.s., cause not even you believe it. :messenger_peace:
 

LED Guy?

Banned
I'm not worked up. But I love to see when people claim something, but completely fall flat on their face, when you call their bluff. Its crazy that you wouldn't take a bet, that you have nothing to lose in, but could gain so much. And that is how we can all see your claim will be b.s., cause not even you believe it. :messenger_peace:
No I believe that this will happen, but no need in sharing others' information and stuff, It's all fun bro, It's OK, nothing is gonna happen that will be bothering you, man. It's OK.

XSX is gonna have 12 RDNA TF beating the RTX 2080. Have fun ✌
 

Tiamat2san

Member
I mean, when you refer to the most powerful piece of hardware, as a glitchy box... Who will honestly take you serious? If you approached it in a different manner, maybe you wouldn't be a console fanboy? I love games, but i do prefer my games to play closer to the exposure of my eyes, than a laggy, jank fest like on consoles.
I will confuse you.
My job is to sell gaming PC.
I am responsible for the gaming PC corner in the store where I work.
I made the pc my son (32 years old) is playing on 2 years ago and will do the same when he changes this year. (Within 2000€ Price range )
I made him play on a 144hz monitor.
And he won’t go back from this.

I don’t have the technical level of some of the posters here but I know enough stuffs.
Everyone around me ask me build their pcs.

I don’t like PC gaming at all, never have and certainly never will.

But I love technical part of it.

I know it’s weird.
 
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93xfan

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Nope - most console gamers haven't got a clue how powerful their shit is. You're literally talking about the minority of invested console gamers who do care yet somehow can't wrap their heads around PCs because of laziness or lack of funds.

Plenty of reasons have been given already in this thread on why some people prefer consoles.

I personally love the value, and don’t want to play online shooters with a keyboard and mouse to be competitive. I grew up using controllers and it’s my preferred control method outside of real time strategy games and whatever genre Sim City is in.

Most importantly, I don’t want to risk becoming one of those people who feels the need to trash how others enjoy their hobby.
 
I will confuse you.
My job is to sell gaming PC.
I am responsible for the gaming PC corner in the store where I work.
I made the pc my son (32 years old) is playing on 2 years ago and will do the same when he changes this year. (Within 2000€ Price range )
I made him play on a 144hz monitor.
And he won’t go back from this.

I don’t have the technical level of some of the posters here but I know enough stuffs.
Everyone around me ask me build their pcs.

I don’t like PC gaming at all, never have and certainly never will.

But I love technical part of it.

I know it’s weird.
That makes no sense at all. What are the down sides? I currently play with an xbox elite series 2 controller for most of the games that I play. I could use a dualshock, but I hate them. I can even play on my tv. So what is there to hate about it? Even if you only play multiplatforms... Pc is still the way to go, for that reason alone. So with all this experience you have in building, what is there to hate?
 
This rhetoric has always annoyed me. There are plenty of reasons why people would still choose a console.

If ALL you care about is graphical power then yes, buy a PC. Most people buy consoles for a variety of reason (ease of use, exclusives, player count, friends, etc.). I don't know a single person that doesn't understand that PC is where you get the best graphics. That fact does NOT however mean that they can't worry about graphical prowess. Nobody complains when games look better or perform better (I guess unless it performs better on the "other platform" and you are a child).

Now I've built a lot of PCs both for myself and for friends/family, and I 100% completely understand the benefits PC have over console. I also understand how PCs can be "consolized" if someone wants that experience. That being said I still prefer consoles, and I don't think that will change anytime soon. I like the simplicity of use, the fact that I sit down and grab my controller and play. The controller does everything (turns console on, navigates OS, and plays games), and while this is possible on PC anybody that says it is easy is lying to themselves as it's neither easy nor a perfect system.

A lot of it comes down to games, and to a lesser extent peripheral choice. On console everybody is using a controller (very small population use ChronusMax) so it's a pretty even playing field (as well as with less cheating on average). Can you play with a controller on PC? Abso-fucking-lutely. Are you going to be competitive in a online game that's not a fighter? No, and not enough games implement or even will implement COD's system of peripheral based match making. You also have exclusives to take into account (this goes both ways), and game population to account for as well. Where do your friends play? Are you invested in the ecosystem? A lot of the points people bring up when comparing PC vs Consoles is bullshit. Do you have to spend 30 minutes tweaking settings in every PC game? No. Do you need to upgrade your components every few years? No.

I also see game prices mentioned a lot when it comes to the price point argument. Steam sales have gotten way worse, and console sales have gotten way better so it's a lot more even in that respect. Can you find PC copies Day 1 for $45? Yes. Can you trade PC games in for half the price a week or two afterwards when you've beaten it? No.

I don't see why anybody cares where somebody else plays their games. Do you play fighting game with WASD? Who fucking cares. Do you play PUBG on console 3rd person servers? Who the fuck cares. Do I care that you play Fortnite @ 30fps on Switch? No.

Part of the reason I prefer consoles despite owning a capable PC outside of aforementioned is how fucking smug a lot of the PC community is especially on forums like this. This goes for both sides but if you care that much on where other people plays their games then you need to get a fucking life.

tl;dr Dumb article, and there are lots of reasons to choose one platform over the other. Enjoy the fucking games. Where other people play them has no bearing on your life.
 
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93xfan

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But haven't you heard - The ps5 will use a futuristic solid state drive, reverse engineered from alien tech recovered from atlantis? It will make games load before you even power on the console

Digital Foundry did a video on how consoles might have the edge on load times if SSDs directly connected with the SoC. Is that not feasible? I’m open to hearing your perspective on it.

But the biggest and best reason to own a console is to play with other console gamers. After listening to PC gamers talk in this thread, I’d much rather avoid all this toxicity and smugness.
 
Digital Foundry did a video on how consoles might have the edge on load times if SSDs directly connected with the SoC. Is that not feasible? I’m open to hearing your perspective on it.

But the biggest and best reason to own a console is to play with other console gamers. After listening to PC gamers talk in this thread, I’d much rather avoid all this toxicity and smugness.
It may come off as smug, but you gotta see the other side of things. We've had ssd's for years, and each iteration, they get faster and faster. So for console players to say "were gone have better graphics, pc's need to catch up, pc's will be behind, lol at all the people who bought x,y,z gpu" is literally toxic AF. Cause we all know pc's will already have the upper hand. Console hardware is set in stone at least a year before final production. A year in pc world is huge leaps and bounds ahead, without the TDP limit and power restrictions, that consoles have had, and will continue to have. This is why you well see people that know what's up, backlash at the outlandish things that people are saying in here.
 

Tiamat2san

Member
That makes no sense at all. What are the down sides? I currently play with an xbox elite series 2 controller for most of the games that I play. I could use a dualshock, but I hate them. I can even play on my tv. So what is there to hate about it? Even if you only play multiplatforms... Pc is still the way to go, for that reason alone. So with all this experience you have in building, what is there to hate?
I don’t like the interface, the drivers updates and so on.
Games are not optimised for the card you have.
I prefer the console way.
You buy a game and that’s it.
No tweaking, you play what you have.
If I played on pc, I will pass too much time trying to optimise to perfection everything.
I am too meticulous (I spend so much time setting my tv for every console to have the perfect image)
This year I’ll buy a Dolby atmos home cinéma, it will take months to plan this.
I am a maniac.

PC is a never ending nightmare for me.

So consoles are the best for me.
😜
 

93xfan

Banned
It may come off as smug, but you gotta see the other side of things. We've had ssd's for years, and each iteration, they get faster and faster. So for console players to say "were gone have better graphics, pc's need to catch up, pc's will be behind, lol at all the people who bought x,y,z gpu" is literally toxic AF. Cause we all know pc's will already have the upper hand. Console hardware is set in stone at least a year before final production. A year in pc world is huge leaps and bounds ahead, without the TDP limit and power restrictions, that consoles have had, and will continue to have. This is why you well see people that know what's up, backlash at the outlandish things that people are saying in here.

I don’t like That attitude either, but it seems more like they’re lying to themselves and trying to make themselves feel better.

Maybe I’m not seeing both sides clearly, but it does often feel like it’s often finger pointing at console owners as being stupid or half into gaming.

If that’s not the way it’s meant by people on these forums, then I apologize.
 
I don’t like That attitude either, but it seems more like they’re lying to themselves and trying to make themselves feel better.

Maybe I’m not seeing both sides clearly, but it does often feel like it’s often finger pointing at console owners as being stupid or half into gaming.

If that’s not the way it’s meant by people on these forums, then I apologize.
Again, I have no problem with console gaming. It's the arrogant, "PC's need to catch up", thing that gets most people. I don't care what you game on, but please don't spread fallacies on here. There are all of a sudden, EVERY console player that "used to build pc's", but seem to be stuck in the 90's and saying things like driver updates, yet they get firmware, console, and game updates quite often. They will use one thing against you, without realizing it works the same way against them, but worse.
 
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NOLA_Gaffer

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I'm just recovering from having used Windows for a decade. Went from a laptop to a desktop PC I built in 2014 because of The Witcher 3. It wasn't the hardware, it was the freaking OS that cost me way too much time and stress over the years. Never EVER again. I'm done with PC gaming.

Super bummed that SteamOS never really panned out. I think I would be more willing to dip my toes back into the PC Gaming pool if I didn’t have to deal with Microsoft.
 

ruvikx

Banned
Find me a PC which automatically switches on/off Vsync for the right games, automatically sets the correct ini file framerate cap (such as 59 fps in Fallout 4 because Bethesda) & automatically makes older games like Fallout 3 run on Windows 10 (+ automatically adds controller support to the Mass Effect trilogy).

Until then, I'll be quite happy to continue playing on Xbox & PS, especially their next gen consoles.
 
As a PC gamer, i do find it funny how the Next Gen thread is 80% posts talking about which is more powerful, and widespread paranoia over it.
Alas PC gaming isnt for everyone, and although its certainly much easier than it used to be 15+ years ago, its still a lot more complicated than console gaming.
Still i play my PC games on a conotroller, on a couch, on my 50inch TV. Hell i even control my PC from the couch using my controller. People need to get out of this ancient mindframe that PC gaming is hunched over a chair staring at a 20inch monitor. If you love the console experience, PC gaming can offer that.
Throw in the freedom of choice when it comes to game prices (seriously if you know whwre to look, you can pick up PC games for so cheap), resolution, framerate, settings, mods, cheats, trainers, etc, etc, etc, then once you go PC, there is no going back.
Pretty much this.
I use a monitor for fps games and generally work. But I also have a tv hooked up and a controller for games that require it. I turn on the tv, lie down on my bed, pick up the controller and enjoy.
I find it funny how people think pc gaming is just playing on a monitor and a chair. It's not. Long asss HDMI cables exist, so it's zero problem to connect a pc to a tv.
 

pawel86ck

Banned
People can obviously build stronger PC, but as always PC hardware is overpriced and on top of that many developers dont care if their games are optimised or not. Some games doesn't even run correctly, for example patch for Gears Of War 4 broke entire game and I couldn't play it for entire year, so I was forced to play on Xbox X.

But I have to say current gen consoles (PS4 / Xbox One) were surprisingly weak. Jaguar CPU was slow even in 2013, and 1.3TF wasnt impressive either. In x360 times MS build really strong console (2x 6800 Ultra performance for 400$!!!!!!) and I still remember how insane xbox 360 performance was back then.

It looks like MS will once again build strong console, maybe not as fast as 360 was (because no one expect 2x 2080ti performance at 400$ these days), however 12TF Navi should offer 2080 Super performance and that will be still faster than many gaming PCs (the vast majority of people on PC still play on GTX 970 or 1070). Also fast SDD (3x times faster than 980 evo pro) and Ryzen 2 will be big step up compared to jaguar cores and HDD.
 
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sendit

Member
Plenty of reasons have been given already in this thread on why some people prefer consoles.

I personally love the value, and don’t want to play online shooters with a keyboard and mouse to be competitive. I grew up using controllers and it’s my preferred control method outside of real time strategy games and whatever genre Sim City is in.

Most importantly, I don’t want to risk becoming one of those people who feels the need to trash how others enjoy their hobby.

Technically you just trashed people for talking trash to people who trash on others hobbies.
 

sendit

Member
Find me a PC which automatically switches on/off Vsync for the right games, automatically sets the correct ini file framerate cap (such as 59 fps in Fallout 4 because Bethesda) & automatically makes older games like Fallout 3 run on Windows 10 (+ automatically adds controller support to the Mass Effect trilogy).

Until then, I'll be quite happy to continue playing on Xbox & PS, especially their next gen consoles.

......right



It’s okay to have a preference, but to justify an inferior product is beyond me.
 
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ruvikx

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......right



It’s okay to have a preference, but to justify an inferior product is beyond me.


I play Fallout 4 on the Xbox One X, not the 2013 consoles. It looks & runs nicely after the upgrade patch. No hassle, just pick up & play. If I want to play another game, I don't need to mess about with the nvidia settings for each game either. I get PC is better once the groundwork has been done (i.e. settings etc.); but the ease of use aspect of a console is real (especially when it's combined with a good machine, like the One X).
 

Katsura

Member
Digital Foundry did a video on how consoles might have the edge on load times if SSDs directly connected with the SoC. Is that not feasible? I’m open to hearing your perspective on it.

But the biggest and best reason to own a console is to play with other console gamers. After listening to PC gamers talk in this thread, I’d much rather avoid all this toxicity and smugness.
It was just a bit of hyperbole because of the people buying into the marketing hype, that's all. Will SSDs make next gen consoles load games faster? Absolutely but the way some people are talking about it you'd think Sony invented some piece of Star Trek tech. I don't have an issue with console or pc gaming. I love my Switch. I'd buy a ps5 if Sony wasn't going woke. I just like to poke fun at people who buy into what is obviously marketing. Do you remember the cell? Those stories about how it was so powerful the military would use it and how it should not even be in a consumer product. It reminds me of those stories. In the real world, most potential gains will be eaten up by shit middleware and devs not being allowed to optimize their code properly because it's becoming standard practice to release unfinished games and patch them later
 
I play Fallout 4 on the Xbox One X, not the 2013 consoles. It looks & runs nicely after the upgrade patch. No hassle, just pick up & play. If I want to play another game, I don't need to mess about with the nvidia settings for each game either. I get PC is better once the groundwork has been done (i.e. settings etc.); but the ease of use aspect of a console is real (especially when it's combined with a good machine, like the One X).

Sorry - default settings/auto options will be far superior to consoles unless it's a rare bad port to PC or you have a shit PC. A remotely decent PC and you don't need any tweaking to be a much better experience.

It's so tiresome to see people who prefer consoles to keep bringing up how much hard work to get a game running on PC is. That's just not the case and hasn't been for a long time.
 

ruvikx

Banned
Sorry - default settings/auto options will be far superior to consoles unless it's a rare bad port

I must unfortunately enjoy games which have... "rare bad pc ports". For example my GTX 1080 & I7 8700 CPU can't get The Evil Within 2 to run properly, ever (whether at 1080p, 720p, 60 fps or even 30 fps). Assassin's Creed Odyssey is another which requires constant tinkering (even lighting a freaking torch at night tanks the framerate). On my Xbox, I don't need to to think about that stuff. The most consistent pc gaming experiences I get from my library are the racing sims like Project Cars or F1. They run reallly well (with an older force feedback wheel as well which is still compatible unlike consoles which required new wheel peripherals).
 
I must unfortunately enjoy games which have... "rare bad pc ports". For example my GTX 1080 & I7 8700 CPU can't get The Evil Within 2 to run properly, ever (whether at 1080p, 720p, 60 fps or even 30 fps).

Well I did a quick google and people seem to be easily getting 40-60 fps with a 1080 on evil within 2 with worse CPUs than you at 1440p at max settings. So I'd suggest you have a faulty PC if you aren't getting over 30 fps (console is only 30fps and a visual downgrade from max settings of course).
 
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ruvikx

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Well I did a quick google and people seem to be easily getting 40-60 fps with a 1080 on evil within 2 with worse CPUs than you at 1440p at max settings. So I'd suggest you have a faulty PC if you aren't getting over 30 fps (console is only 30fps and a visual downgrade from max settings of course).

I'd suggest people who choose to play The Evil Within 2 on pc at a fluctuating "40-60 fps" with all the stutter & ensuing eyesore rather than a locked console 30 fps do in fact have... cataracts? Even at a locked 60 fps & the Riva Tuner Statistics server running (to stabilize framerate via preventing excessive frame rendering) it's still stuttery. I don't like playing a game like.

That's another barely mentioned problem for people with competent pc's, i.e. older games which should theoretically run better can actually run worse because the machine is overpowered (hello Far Cry 3, i.e. which runs like shit on a better pc now than when it was released) & we get excessive frame rendering which causes judder.
 
I'd suggest people who choose to play The Evil Within 2 on pc at a fluctuating "40-60 fps" with all the stutter & ensuing eyesore rather than a locked console 30 fps do in fact have... cataracts? Even at a locked 60 fps & the Riva Tuner Statistics server running (to stabilize framerate via preventing excessive frame rendering) it's still stuttery. I don't like playing a game like.


Then just lock to 30fps? Or get a gsync/gsync compatible monitor? Or just hit preset "medium" and it would still look better than console and probably be a stable 60 (double console fps).

Next gen consoles will probably start having more gfx options. It's all going to this way.
 
a console will out-punch its weight class considerably compared to a similarly spec’d pc and to build a PC today with ray tracing @60fps you are looking at easily $1500
 
a console will out-punch its weight class considerably compared to a similarly spec’d pc and to build a PC today with ray tracing @60fps you are looking at easily $1500
High end for that price. But just to best consoles whole looking better can be done for less than 800. The price of a console and psn/xbl for a while could get you a bad ass pc. And you won't be stuck at 30 or 60fps.
 
I found this a good read

"One of the most tiresome flavors of console rumors is "which one will be faster", and there are already way too many of these for our comfort. Look, I'm going to say it once: it doesn't matter. There are going to be a wealth of multiplatform games out there and they're going to be roughly equivalent on both consoles.

There will be slight differences, of course, though you're probably not going to notice unless you watch a Digital Foundry video. But all of these rumors got me thinking: you know what scene is completely rabid about slight performance differences? PC gaming. Do you know where slight performance differences actually matter? Also PC gaming."




Interesting opinion article.
As someone who has owned PCs and consoles since the early 90s, I've built my own gaming rigs several times throughout the years and the reason I personally prefer a high power consoole these days is the pure faff of PC gaming. I can't count the number of times I have gone to play a game and oh it turns out that for my paticular graphics card theress an issue or some bullshit. the number of config files I've edited over the years getting things working. Rolling back graphics drivers because the latest one breaks something. fiddling with in game settings to get a stable framerate but maximising how good it looks. all that bollocks is just a pain in the arse that I just can't be bothered with most of the time and say what you like about games consoles but 99% of the time you start the game and 'it just works'.tm.

These days the small amount of time I get to play games I want to sit on my comfy couch turn on the tv and just jump straight in to a game. But at the same time Ilike my games to look nice. So that's why for some of us at least there is a point to buying high end consoles and not PCs
 

R6Rider

Gold Member
So let's use last gen for example. For the hardcore gamer, let's say they bought Xbox one, Xbox one s, and Xbox one x. Did you know that, plus Xbox live for the past 6 years, is much more expensive than a high end desktop? Even removing the Xbox one s from the equation, yields a minimum of 1$300 dollars just for the 2 consoles and xbl, with no games. Even just having a an Xbox one and xbl for 3 years, is more expensive than building a pc that will perform better than the best gen Xbox Sex or ps5.

None of this has anything to do with what was being asked. You're throwing other stuff in. Just grasping for anything to justify your argument.
 
As someone who has owned PCs and consoles since the early 90s, I've built my own gaming rigs several times throughout the years and the reason I personally prefer a high power consoole these days is the pure faff of PC gaming. I can't count the number of times I have gone to play a game and oh it turns out that for my paticular graphics card theress an issue or some bullshit. the number of config files I've edited over the years getting things working. Rolling back graphics drivers because the latest one breaks something. fiddling with in game settings to get a stable framerate but maximising how good it looks. all that bollocks is just a pain in the arse that I just can't be bothered with most of the time and say what you like about games consoles but 99% of the time you start the game and 'it just works'.tm.

These days the small amount of time I get to play games I want to sit on my comfy couch turn on the tv and just jump straight in to a game. But at the same time Ilike my games to look nice. So that's why for some of us at least there is a point to buying high end consoles and not PCs
The 1990's want you back. This ain't the 90's anymore. Config files and all of that don't need to be touched. Neither does the registry. Bios updates are super rare. Drivers download by themselves. Your stuck long ago in the past. I might as well bring up why I don't particularly care for carbureted cars, cause you know... They aren't really made anymore.... Everything is fuel injected.... I swear everyone is all of a sudden a PC builder, out of no where, and just to bash pc, with the most easily refutable FUD.
 
None of this has anything to do with what was being asked. You're throwing other stuff in. Just grasping for anything to justify your argument.
You brought up price, so I showed how consoles aren't necessarily cheaper. I'm literally replying to what you said? Or are you asking permission to move the goal posts now? Go back and read why I quoted your statement, and then my response.

That's all he was asking asking for. A rough guess on the cost. The main thing to take away is that building a PC with even remotely similar performance will be more expensive.


I just disproved that. What more do you want?
 
The 1990's want you back. This ain't the 90's anymore. Config files and all of that don't need to be touched. Neither does the registry. Bios updates are super rare. Drivers download by themselves. Your stuck long ago in the past. I might as well bring up why I don't particularly care for carbureted cars, cause you know... They aren't really made anymore.... Everything is fuel injected.... I swear everyone is all of a sudden a PC builder, out of no where, and just to bash pc, with the most easily refutable FUD.
long in the past? remind me how the launch of red dead redemption 2 went on PC?
 

sendit

Member
I play Fallout 4 on the Xbox One X, not the 2013 consoles. It looks & runs nicely after the upgrade patch. No hassle, just pick up & play. If I want to play another game, I don't need to mess about with the nvidia settings for each game either. I get PC is better once the groundwork has been done (i.e. settings etc.); but the ease of use aspect of a console is real (especially when it's combined with a good machine, like the One X).

......right

 
there is no reason to own consoles anymore. they barely have any console games, they just have PC ports. play the superior version on PC, back in the day console games were made for console. not ported from PC
 
long in the past? remind me how the launch of red dead redemption 2 went on PC?
So you gonna have more than just one game for example? I never had problems with it. But others have, so I can't comment on that. All I know is that people forgot to enable automatic update.

Remember 20gb day one patches for consoles? Or having to clear up space, and painfully waiting to install rdr2 or other large games for console? Then the abysmal frame rate that can't even maintain 30fps, after that painfully long install?

If you are only gonna use a single outlier as an example... I can throw back several your way.
 

R6Rider

Gold Member
there is no reason to own consoles anymore. they barely have any console games, they just have PC ports. play the superior version on PC, back in the day console games were made for console. not ported from PC

If by "barely" you mean "lots of games that you still can't play on PC", then you are right.
 
If by "barely" you mean "lots of games that you still can't play on PC", then you are right.
There are well over 30,000 games on steam, not to mention other store fronts/launchers. So there is only a small pool of games that pc players can't play, and there's a plethora, a whole multitude of games that console players will never see.
 

redfirm

Banned
i am just going to put this here as i go and buy that pc. Shame on me for wanting a high performance console to play these games on them in an as high quality as possible console. who needs really good looking exclusives anyway...Minecrafts fun.
 
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So you gonna have more than just one game for example? I never had problems with it. But others have, so I can't comment on that. All I know is that people forgot to enable automatic update.

Remember 20gb day one patches for consoles? Or having to clear up space, and painfully waiting to install rdr2 or other large games for console? Then the abysmal frame rate that can't even maintain 30fps, after that painfully long install?

If you are only gonna use a single outlier as an example... I can throw back several your way.


I mean the examples are endless but I understand defending PC as a platform is important to you so no matter what I say I won't convince you which is fine.
 

nkarafo

Member
If someone just want to play games in a comfy easy way will not give a shit about performance differences . Like me.
I can buy the best pc but i cant sit in front of one after a long day.
Legs up snacks out tv on done
I wanna lay on my couch like a potato and not use a keyboard.
You know you can connect a PS4/XBOX one controller on a PC and use it like a console with STEAM's Big box don't you?

You can even use Kodi and do more stuff with a gamepad. I watch Youtube/movies and listen to music with the gamepad. I also launch my whole emulator setup with it. I only touch the keyboard/mouse when i want to browse online (i could do that with the gamepad as well but it's slower).
 
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Deleted member 774430

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Agreed, that's why i laugh everytime PS/Xbox fans make fun of Switch weak hardware: you're playing on an outdated inferior hardware too in case you don't know.

It's a terrible rhetoric console fans keep bringing up.
 

BitDust

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In this last generation building an expensive PC could give you a big advantage over PS4 and XBOX ONE specially for the CPU as main bottleneck, but the upcoming XBOXsX and PS5 have enough power to make that difference very slim IMHO. Once devs can get a game running at 4k on both consoles at 60 fps, what advantages can give you a PC? 8K? On what TV or monitor?
 
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