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[it_wasn't_me]

I think Hellblade 2 can be playable at that visual fidelity, but doubt it'll be doable at 60fps without some trickery (DLSS, VRS, etc).

That target render is not even 30 fps nor it is a 4k. When first GAMEPLAY scene shows up, then it's a logic thing to say "WOW, what a graphics, man. Oh, jeez in my pants..." For what i saw and read across the forums, bunch of Xbox fans use this target render trailer as some graphical next-gen benchmark ( to prove i dunno what ), which is, if you use some common sense, not.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Apparently I had some of my math wrong when doing the 13.8 Vega -> ??? Navi conversions. 25% efficiency over Vega would mean that for PS5 to match that in Navi, they'd need at least 10.35 TF GPU. However, if Navi is closer to 20% efficiency, then PS5 GPU would need to be at least 10.8675 TF Navi to match it. In other words the GPU clock would range from to 1.685GHz to 1.77 GHz effecitve

Basically my other calculations were a tad too high on both low and high end but not honestly *that* much higher, so I think it's still safe to say 10.35 TF - 11.04 TF is a good realistic and most probable range for PS5 given what we know right now. Still needs more than 36 active CUs for that however, so a 48CU chip is still pretty probable and could get datamined later on. It would still be Oberon-related however, just with more CUs on it.

 

[Jtibh]

well Death Stranding is literally a walking simulator... it literally simulates different ground conditions which you need to consider while walking to your destination.

and HZD is not a walking sim just a really mediocre open world game

Pfuu you troll.
Mediocre?
Your posts and probably your life is but not hzd

 

[Bo_Hazem]

well Death Stranding is literally a walking simulator... it literally simulates different ground conditions which you need to consider while walking to your destination.

and HZD is not a walking sim just a really mediocre open world game

Well let's agree at Death Stranding being a mailman simulator, and a great one at that. Death Stranding is not flawless, but it's 100% original, not jumping on the trend, not trying to be other games (Like Jedi trying to be Uncharted+Dark Souls, or going the battle royale trend, or follow other successful games like AC Odyssey trying to be The Witcher 3, which was better overall but felt "unoriginal" at times). Death Stranding is a very unique game/experience, it's very intriguing. I was so tempted to kill someone in the game, but just couldn't, never killed an NPC except the ghosty ones (BT's) and you can actually release them instead of killing them as well and get liked . Sense of humor with Kojima is his biggest weakness, and I would like it if he just sticks to seriousness or consult a funnier person, that's in all his games since MGS1.

Kojima is Japanese, and most Japanese producers are very unpredictable and put you on your toes in terms of story telling. It comes with weird kind of humor that can be funny like in Yakuza games, or cringy like with Kojima's. But when it's all serious, he's a mastermind.

Gameplay never been his strongest factors anyway as well, nor animations and movements, only MGS5 felt more fun, but he always brings something fresh and unique to the gaming industry. I will stop here and you have your own taste in gaming anyway, not arguing with you.

BUT I think I must recommend HZD to you if you have a PS4, especially PS4 Pro with an HDR 4K TV. Try playing it for sometime until you get used to it then it'll literally "suck you in" inside its lore. It's one of the best games and one of the very unique and original games out there. But again, it's your time that you decide what's fun for you to play/do, I just want you to enjoy the game, especially the story that gets better and better the more you progress.

Regards

 

[Falc67]

Is hb2 better than heretic?

If its better can we get heretic in real time next gen?

Thoughts?

I prefer HB2 visually because they’ve gone for photorealism. Heretic looks amazing, but I think we’ll get both next gen. Considering you think current gen cut scenes are on par with HB2, surely you expect better than Heretic for next gen?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

well Death Stranding is literally a walking simulator... it literally simulates different ground conditions which you need to consider while walking to your destination.

and HZD is not a walking sim just a really mediocre open world game

Yeah, a GOTY materials. Cheers!

 

[bitbydeath]

So if this is pre-rendered, and at 24fps sub 4K targeting a 12tf machine,You think there are real-time cutscenes on current generation that rival this?

Erica looks pretty good.

 

[01011001]

Well let's agree at Death Stranding being a mailman simulator, and a great one at that. Death Stranding is not flawless, but it's 100% original, not jumping on the trend, not trying to be other games (Like Jedi trying to be Uncharted+Dark Souls, or going the battle royale trend, or follow other successful games like AC Odyssey trying to be The Witcher 3, which was better overall but felt "unoriginal" at times). Death Stranding is a very unique game/experience, it's very intriguing. I was so tempted to kill someone in the game, but just couldn't, never killed an NPC except the ghosty ones (BT's) and you can actually release them instead of killing them as well and get liked . Sense of humor with Kojima is his biggest weakness, and I would like it if he just sticks to seriousness or consult a funnier person, that's in all his games since MGS1.

Kojima is Japanese, and most Japanese producers are very unpredictable and put you on your toes in terms of story telling. It comes with weird kind of humor that can be funny like in Yakuza games, or cringy like with Kojima's. But when it's all serious, he's a mastermind.

Gameplay never been his strongest factors anyway as well, nor animations and movements, only MGS5 felt more fun, but he always brings something fresh and unique to the gaming industry. I will stop here and you have your own taste in gaming anyway, not arguing with you.

BUT I think I must recommend HZD to you if you have a PS4, especially PS4 Pro with an HDR 4K TV. Try playing it for sometime until you get used to it then it'll literally "suck you in" inside its lore. It's one of the best games and one of the very unique and original games out there. But again, it's your time that you decide what's fun for you to play/do, I just want you to enjoy the game, especially the story that gets better and better the more you progress.

Regards

yo I actually really like Death Stranding. it has lots of issues but it is an interesting game. it's often too cumbersome to do stuff and some of the controls could be better but I like it overall.

HZD on the other hand... nah. even Ubiworld games are better than that... and even Ubisoft let go of the fucking towers lol, but at least they move in HZD! HELL YEAH! UBI-EVOLUTION! but all in all it's literally an early gen Ubsioft game that looks nice... that's all it is

 

[HawarMiran]

it's not bad... it's nothing special and it could have better controls.
also the open world is not used in any meaningful way. you can't really interact with anything in the world, the world itself is very static... hell if you climb up some hills too high where the developers didn't want you to go the game literally stops you and loads your last checkpoint... the fuck?

it's a solid 6/10, an actual 6/10 (meaning above average) not a modern game journalists 6/10 (meaning terrible)

so you want me to believe you played HZD?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Erica looks pretty good.

Is this real-time?

 

[01011001]

so you want me to believe you played HZD?

I did, but not long. I watched a friend cheese his way through it tho by literally just standing behind rocks and jump-slow-mo-shoot even the biggest enemies to death... on the highest difficulty xD it was hilarious.

I played it for like 4h and dropped it

 

[Falc67]

That target render is not even 30 fps nor it is a 4k. When first GAMEPLAY scene shows up, then it's a logic thing to say "WOW, what a graphics, man. Oh, jeez in my pants..." For what i saw and read across the forums, bunch of Xbox fans use this target render trailer as some graphical next-gen benchmark ( to prove i dunno what ), which is, if you use some common sense, not.

Why is it an Xbox fans thing? I only have a PS4 and will only buy the PS5. I simply believe that both next gen consoles will be able to attain HB2 visuals.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

so you want me to believe you played HZD?

Wait for "Dreams is a mediocre game". Few months after....TLOU2 is a mediocre game. Later......Ghost of Tsushima is a sword simulator and very a mediocre game.

 

[Jtibh]

I prefer HB2 visually because they’ve gone for photorealism. Heretic looks amazing, but I think we’ll get both next gen. Considering you think current gen cut scenes are on par with HB2, surely you expect better than Heretic for next gen?

Heretic has just more going on and if i can enter that city as is at the end of the demo then no i dont expect better from next gen.

 

[Ruben43cb]

Are we saying ps5 may be 13.8 TF navi?

 

[01011001]

Wait for "Dreams is a mediocre game". Few months after....TLOU2 is a mediocre game. Later......Ghost of Tsushima is a sword simulator and very a medigame.

Dreams isn't even a game. it's a really bad game engine that will be dead in... let's say 2 years.
it's basically a game engine that is tied to a single platform, which you have to navigate using a controller. not many people will get it to make something truly worthwhile with it, so casual users who only play stuff other people made will also lose interest and in 12 to 24 months almost noone will care for it anymore.

the issue with games like that is that they rely on hardcore users to make content for them, and how many of those will there be? not that many. and all of them would be better off just downloading UE4 and learning how to use that. there they can make even better games and have the option to then sell these on multiple systems.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

yo I actually really like Death Stranding. it has lots of issues but it is an interesting game. it's often too cumbersome to do stuff and some of the controls could be better but I like it overall.

HZD on the other hand... nah. even Ubiworld games are better than that... and even Ubisoft let go of the fucking towers lol, but at least they move in HZD! HELL YEAH! UBI-EVOLUTION! but all in all it's literally an early gen Ubsioft game that looks nice... that's all it is

There is no wrong and right here, I guess. We can't force what we like into others, so I won't. Every person got his taste, that's why games are diverse in general.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Why is it an Xbox fans thing? I only have a PS4 and will only buy the PS5. I simply believe that both next gen consoles will be able to attain HB2 visuals.

In 99% of cases it is. It's fine if you believe it. But i wouldn't use some target render as some graphical benchmark.

 

[demigod]

He ranked Crackdown 3 higher than HZD if that tells you anything.

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

The man. The myth. The legend.

Who is Mark Cerny, the man behind PS5? | VGC

An in-depth profile of Sony’s influential…

www.videogameschronicle.com

 

[NathanDiego]

He ranked Crackdown 3 higher than HZD if that tells you anything.

lol after Dreams post I can't take any serious.

 

[Falc67]

Heretic has just more going on and if i can enter that city as is at the end of the demo then no i dont expect better from next gen.

Have you seen the newer full version of Heretic?

 

[bitbydeath]

Is this real-time?

The game is literally a movie where you make decisions like that Black Mirror episode.

 

[PSYGN]

Dreams isn't even a game. it's a really bad game engine that will be dead in... let's say 2 years.
it's basically a game engine that is tied to a single platform, which you have to navigate using a controller. not many people will get it to make something truly worthwhile with it, so casual users who only play stuff other people made will also lose interest and in 12 to 24 months almost noone will care for it anymore.

the issue with games like that is that they rely on hardcore users to make content for them, and how many of those will there be? not that many. and all of them would be better off just downloading UE4 and learning how to use that. there they can make even better games and have the option to then sell these on multiple systems.

I think it can help inspire people to create things in a more graspable way than going straight into UE4. I remember playing MTV Music Generator on my PS1. I was hooked and at one point made me consider being a music artist (I was a young kid). It really is more of a creative tool than a game in a traditional sense. Because of that it will be niche and I think a lot of non-creatives may blindly get it and realize that it wasn't made for them and rate it low, while creative people will really enjoy it and rate it highly.

 

[devilNprada]

12 to 24 months almost noone will care for it anymore.

What game keeps your interest for 2 years? Com'on man!
Have you even played with it Mr negative... All the games you are criticizing are new franchises and/or different style games that should be encouraged. What's your deal?

 

[Fake]

Just ignore him.

 

[HawarMiran]

Dreams isn't even a game. it's a really bad game engine that will be dead in... let's say 2 years.
it's basically a game engine that is tied to a single platform, which you have to navigate using a controller. not many people will get it to make something truly worthwhile with it, so casual users who only play stuff other people made will also lose interest and in 12 to 24 months almost noone will care for it anymore.

the issue with games like that is that they rely on hardcore users to make content for them, and how many of those will there be? not that many. and all of them would be better off just downloading UE4 and learning how to use that. there they can make even better games and have the option to then sell these on multiple systems.

Okay it seems you like to rate stuff you have barely any clue off. And if you think Crackdown 3 is a better game then so be it. There are flatearthers out there. So not too suprising someone could think Crackdown 3 is enjoyable

 

[bitbydeath]

The man. The myth. The legend.

Who is Mark Cerny, the man behind PS5? | VGC

An in-depth profile of Sony’s influential…

www.videogameschronicle.com

He looks like Seth Rogan.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The man. The myth. The legend.

Who is Mark Cerny, the man behind PS5? | VGC

An in-depth profile of Sony’s influential…

www.videogameschronicle.com

This man is ahead of his time, asking for ray tracing way before it's being available for gaming. His complicated mind created the cell processor, the strong yet overwhelming system to produce on. Let's see the "more features" to be announced later!

 

[M-V2]

This is lit

 

[ResilientBanana]

well Death Stranding is literally a walking simulator... it literally simulates different ground conditions which you need to consider while walking to your destination.

and HZD is not a walking sim just a really mediocre open world game

Fiar point about Death Stranding, but HZD was a fantastic game. I had Zelda vibes from it to be honest.

 

[Neo Blaster]

I played it for like 4h and dropped it

 

[Jtibh]

Have you seen the newer full version of Heretic?

Same thing . I dont expect better from next gen.
I would be very happy with this.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Are we saying ps5 may be 13.8 TF navi?

No. The 13.8 comes from the ITMedia article but it was making an architectural comparison. 13.8TF Radeon VII is effectively between 10.35TF - 10.8TF Navi.

That seems to be a very probable range; it fits in line with a lot of other source points too (insiders, benchmarks, Github leak, tech analysis experts etc.) and if you tie in things said between them that can agree with each other, it's a performance measure of around that specified range.

But like anything else, I guess we shall see ...

 

[Tsaki]

This man is ahead of his time, asking for ray tracing way before it's being available for gaming. His complicated mind created the cell processor, the strong yet overwhelming system to produce on. Let's see the "more features" to be announced later!

Mark Cerny didn't have any part in the development of the Cell.

 

[Moses85]

Sorry if already posted before:

 

[it_wasn't_me]

The game is literally a movie where you make decisions like that Black Mirror episode.

Yeah, i now. Interactive movie. Just was a reaction post to your reaction post.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Mark Cerny didn't have any part in the development of the Cell.

Yeah, Cell was Ken Kutaragi's baby, or at least a big chunk of it was. I know it was a three-company effort between Sony, IBM and Toshiba.

...remember when Cell was gonna revolutionize computing? Yeah...that didn't quite happen. But damn if it wasn't a beastly ambition for its time.

 

[nowhat]

He ranked Crackdown 3 higher than HZD if that tells you anything.

That's the power of the cloud right there.

(in that it elevates perception)

 

[beat loose]

今、あらためてPS5の姿を想像してみる　CPUとGPUはどうなる編

現在あるデータから、2020年に登場予定の次期ゲームコンソール、PS5を予想。

www.itmedia.co.jp

"The approximate absolute performance value is determined by the manufacturing process to be adopted and the size of the chip (the number of transistors), so in light of the above, the GPU of the PS5 "is at best about 13.8 TFLOPS of Radeon VII. "Below" appears dim."

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Mark Cerny didn't have any part in the development of the Cell.

Thanks for noting that.

Yeah, Cell was Ken Kutaragi's baby, or at least a big chunk of it was. I know it was a three-company effort between Sony, IBM and Toshiba.

...remember when Cell was gonna revolutionize computing? Yeah...that didn't quite happen. But damn if it wasn't a beastly ambition for its time.

Thanks for the details. Yes, it sounded bold and risky. If it was successful, we might have had a better computing/gaming future? Who knows.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

This man is ahead of his time, asking for ray tracing way before it's being available for gaming. His complicated mind created the cell processor, the strong yet overwhelming system to produce on. Let's see the "more features" to be announced later!

It was Ken Kutaragi.


EDIT : saw the replies.

 

[Insane Metal]

今、あらためてPS5の姿を想像してみる　CPUとGPUはどうなる編

現在あるデータから、2020年に登場予定の次期ゲームコンソール、PS5を予想。

www.itmedia.co.jp

"The approximate absolute performance value is determined by the manufacturing process to be adopted and the size of the chip (the number of transistors), so in light of the above, the GPU of the PS5 "is at best about 13.8 TFLOPS of Radeon VII. "Below" appears dim."

I don't get it

Edit: just more guesses

 

[Koopatrol]

I don't get it

Edit: just more guesses

Yeah, this article was already posted in here anyway. It's the same one that talks about how the PS5 will be between 7.36 and 13.8 TF lol.

 

[nowhat]

Yeah, this article was already posted in here anyway. It's the same one that talks about how the PS5 will be between 7.36 and 13.8 TF lol.

I'm someone who detests social media, so I'm not the one who will pull this off. But just as a suggestion:

1. Day 1: PS5 will be between 7.36 and 13.8 TF
2. Day 2: PS5 will be between 7.35 and 13.9 TF
3. Day 3: PS5 will be between 7.34 and 14.0 TF

...and so on. Make a Twitter account. Get a million followers. It actually could work. Add in some bad photoshops every now and then and you should be good.

 

[bitbydeath]

I don't get it

Edit: just more guesses

They been sniffing BGs glue

 

[saintjules]

PS5 to be revealed in the same approach and time-frame as what sony did in the past with PS4, as they mentioned in their Q3 FY2019 too, is exactly what i heard about The announcement time of the console around 8 months ago.
Still #teamfeb

Let's see. We're halfway through Feb

 

[Jtibh]

I did, but not long. I watched a friend cheese his way through it tho by literally just standing behind rocks and jump-slow-mo-shoot even the biggest enemies to death... on the highest difficulty xD it was hilarious.

I played it for like 4h and dropped it

That friend of yours is some streamer?
Hard to believe you have friends let alone played the game for a minute

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

You guys are intentionally misinterpreting the ITMedia article. They gave the 7.xx TF as a bare minimum into what would be needed to hit a performance target of 4K with certain level of graphics fidelity on Navi architecture, taking into account comments Cerny made about minimum for 4K back shortly around PS4 Pro's release time.

The 13.8 TF figure comes from comparing the upper end of PS5's performance to Radeon VII's Vega architecture. When you convert that to Navi you get anywhere between 10.35 TF to 10.8 TF. But, it could eek a little out to hit somewhere around 11.04 TF at the highest end.

In other words the 7.xx TF figure was never given as a realistic estimate for PS5, just a hypothetical scenario. And the 13.8 TF figure was given in reference to Vega architecture, which you can translate to the Navi numbers posted in the preceding paragraph.

I mean c'mon xD.

 

[Jtibh]

I'm someone who detests social media, so I'm not the one who will pull this off. But just as a suggestion:

1. Day 1: PS5 will be between 7.36 and 13.8 TF
2. Day 2: PS5 will be between 7.35 and 13.9 TF
3. Day 3: PS5 will be between 7.34 and 14.0 TF

...and so on. Make a Twitter account. Get a million followers. It actually could work. Add in some bad photoshops every now and then and you should be good.