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[Physiognomonics]

After being called out on it fanning console wars, he walked back on it saying it was in a PS5Vdev kit. Keep im mind.. Cerny has stated numerous times that the Pro is NOT a new console, because it still has Jaguar CPUs and there has never been rumors suggesting PS5 dev kits ever had jaguar CPUs. To say this a year after the early "slow" PS5 dev kits had Ryzen CPUs in it is stupid.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...arks-for-chance-at-glory.165711/post-28688334

Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]

That was not flaming at all. Rather I am pointing out what I think happened. I think the PS5 was redesigned from its 2019 release for various reasons, and one of the dev kits from that now defunct 2019 release model was one with the Jag inside it. The reason why I want to point that out is so...

www.resetera.com

Does anyone remember Rich in a video saying once something about a certain nextgen console maybe utilising Jaguar still? How that rumour was terrifying?
It makes you wonder

He didn't even got a warn for this ? he has a Digital Foundry tag under his avator. He shouldn't insinuate things like that. That's a console warring inflammatory post as he 100% knows that PS5 will use Zen 2. He is just spreading FUD as any typical console warrior.

 

[Farrell55]

I did a quick search and found only the following:

Dictator (28714614)
Thread Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before.

Link: https://resetera.com//threads/next-...a-pace-never-seen-before.165711/post-28714614
Archive.org: https://web.archive.org<nil>
Archive.is: https://archive.vn<nil>


I don't see what is so bad about what he said, he even says "I also imagine it is not the next gen design we will be getting in 2020, since it was mainly scrapped and brought back to the drawing board."

Thats nonsense... in 2017 zen was allready finished! No way they have used jaguar for early devkits as claimed by Dictator

 

[Bo_Hazem]

If Sony manages to fit 13 Tflops or more in a "traditional" console formfactor I'll be freakin' impressed I tell ya.

Plus, the XSX's BOM is rumoured to be around $460~520 for a 12 Tflops console. Rumours also said that the Ps5's BOM was around $450, (with extra dollars needed for a beefier cooling solution) which makes me doubt the Ps5 being 13Tflops or more.

Still confident the Ps5 is +11 Tflops though

Those are just rumors, not facts. BOM will be known later.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

So now the posts have shifted from floppy wars to people having utterly shite reading comprehension and calling for bans on DF because they dare to offer an opinion in a “what if” technology video.

This really is the thread that keeps on giving

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Hi all.. So has there been any further information from Mod of War?

As far as I know he wasn't able to verify the image yet.

So now the posts have shifted from floppy wars to people having utterly shite reading comprehension and calling for bans on DF because they dare to offer an opinion in a “what if” technology video.

This really is the thread that keeps on giving

Have you heard from your friends anything about other hardware specs? Everyone keeps talking about the GPU, but since everyone is talking so freely what can we expect for the SSD, CPU, RAM. I've only seen those random tables from random people, but I would prefer to hear from you, Tommy Fisher OsirisBlack or HeisenbergFX4 , since that's a more reliable source thanks to the vetting process.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I think PS5 could be 11 tflops with faster SSD and better hardware RT. And actual exclusives to blow your damp black socks off.

 

[Farrell55]

Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]

Does anyone remember Rich in a video saying once something about a certain nextgen console maybe utilising Jaguar still? How that rumour was terrifying? It makes you wonder.

www.resetera.com

"Does anyone remember Rich in a video saying once something about a certain nextgen console maybe utilising Jaguar still? How that rumour was terrifying?

It makes you wonder "

He said this while that TrashEra thread was a dumpsterfire of people saying Cerny lied about hardwareRT.

To be honest i find the analysis/comparison from DF in the most cases Top

But they are no Insiders i am sure they have no or weak sources

Mostly they catch rumors from forums like Gaf & Era... and then they making a Video about it!

I am Not a Nativ English speakers so forgive me

 

[xool]

After being called out on it fanning console wars, he walked back on it saying it was in a PS5Vdev kit. [..]

[DF] "Rather I am pointing out what I think happened. I think the PS5 was redesigned from its 2019 release for various reasons, and one of the dev kits from that now defunct 2019 release model was one with the Jag inside it. "

Well...

Find it hard to believe they didn't just laugh that rumour out of the room while pissing their pants with mirth .. but there it is? What can I say

 

[Gavin Stevens]

@X-Fighter in general terms I last heard yesterday, and have been posting it in this thread but nobody has took the bait as for other specs, from what I’m told, the dev kits were pumping out a bit too much heat previously, and as such The cooling was looked at again, but there’s chat of a lower GPU profile to compensate, a tiny down clock that won’t actually do much of anything worth while but gets you below a certain threshold.

My previous estimates were bang on the money, and I’ve updated it today even in posts

As for components and other things nah, last thing I heard was relating to SSD speed and was a combination of two sources, but it is something I can’t say because I never ran it past Mod of War previously, so don’t want to get myself in trouble.

 

[llien]

8TF for a portable version... too good to be true, but into my veins if yes.

 

[LiquidRex]

As far as I know he wasn't able to verify the image yet.


Have you heard from your friends anything about other hardware specs? Everyone keeps talking about the GPU, but since everyone is talking so freely what can we expect for the SSD, CPU, RAM. I've only seen those random tables from random people, but I would prefer to hear from you, Tommy Fisher OsirisBlack or HeisenbergFX4 , since that's a more reliable source thanks to the vetting process.

Jesus.... At this rate, Sony will have given a press conference by the time we see what Tommy has apparently shared... If it's a PSV controller shaped like a dildo... I'm outta here

 

[Gavin Stevens]

The thing about Digital Foundry is that these guys are tech geeks, and i mean that in a nice way. They LOVE and LIVE technology, and they will often times go off on a ramble about what could happen, what will happen, and what will never happen. I find them to be the most accurate and honest of the bunch, myself.

Do they get excited when new tech drops? Yes. Yes they do. Because new tech excites them. I would be a bit worried if it didn’t and they didn’t act a bit fan girly.

The only reason they get labelled up as Xbox fanboys is because Rich dared to say one time he liked Xbox. It’s a hangable offence, you know. Then people saw the Xbox one x getting suddenly good analysis after years of ps4 coming out on top, and certain people put 2 and 2 together and got 9.

It’s their job to tell you not only the facts, but also the possibilities. Remember that, and use a little common sense.

Those guys are ok in my book. I’ve even chatted with D dark10x a little privately, he’s as cool a bloke as they come, and his retro stuff is top shelf.

 

[DrDamn]

The PS5 TF count will match the page count here divided by 100. So currently 12TF and going up by 0.01TF per page!

I would say "Let's get posting nonsense!" but it appears we have that covered already.

 

[Psyrgery ES]

Those are just rumors, not facts. BOM will be known later.

I mean, I mentioned "rumour, rumours, rumoured" like a billion times in my post .

It's not like we've got anything else besides rumours

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I mean, I mentioned "rumour, rumours, rumoured" like a billion times in my post .

It's not like we've got anything else besides rumours

Which is an amazing album by the very talented Fleetwood Mac. Though I was never a fan of Songbird?

 

[Agnostic2020]

@X-Fighter in general terms I last heard yesterday, and have been posting it in this thread but nobody has took the bait as for other specs, from what I’m told, the dev kits were pumping out a bit too much heat previously, and as such The cooling was looked at again, but there’s chat of a lower GPU profile to compensate, a tiny down clock that won’t actually do much of anything worth while but gets you below a certain threshold.

My previous estimates were bang on the money, and I’ve updated it today even in posts

As for components and other things nah, last thing I heard was relating to SSD speed and was a combination of two sources, but it is something I can’t say because I never ran it past Mod of War previously, so don’t want to get myself in trouble.

So your sources says around 11 still ? that’s honestly great enough for me

 

[DrDamn]

The thing about Digital Foundry is that these guys are tech geeks, and i mean that in a nice way.
...
It’s their job to tell you not only the facts, but also the possibilities. Remember that, and use a little common sense.

I think that over examination of the technical detail helps feed unhealthy discourse in other places. It fuels the fan boy wars. They can also be guilty of supplementing facts with opinions and guesses passed off as fact.

 

[BatSu]

The PS5 TF count will match the page count here divided by 100. So currently 12TF and going up by 0.01TF per page!

I would say "Let's get posting nonsense!" but it appears we have that covered already.

Just wait a few minutes xD

 

[SleepDoctor]

Still nothing? Im just waiting on some confirmation. Even reading the constant crying and warring is getting old.

I just hope every "insider" thats wrong is banned and/or unvetted and completely disregarded in the future. Idk how clowns like tidux for example are still considered credible.

 

[Ragona]

The thing about Digital Foundry is that these guys are tech geeks, and i mean that in a nice way. They LOVE and LIVE technology, and they will often times go off on a ramble about what could happen, what will happen, and what will never happen. I find them to be the most accurate and honest of the bunch, myself.

Do they get excited when new tech drops? Yes. Yes they do. Because new tech excites them. I would be a bit worried if it didn’t and they didn’t act a bit fan girly.

The only reason they get labelled up as Xbox fanboys is because Rich dared to say one time he liked Xbox. It’s a hangable offence, you know. Then people saw the Xbox one x getting suddenly good analysis after years of ps4 coming out on top, and certain people put 2 and 2 together and got 9.

It’s their job to tell you not only the facts, but also the possibilities. Remember that, and use a little common sense.

Those guys are ok in my book. I’ve even chatted with D dark10x a little privately, he’s as cool a bloke as they come, and his retro stuff is top shelf.

Never had a problem with DF myself, but I can understand people being sceptical after they had the Scorpio reveal back then and them running with the Gifthub Leak.

 

[BatSu]

 

[demigod]

To be honest i find the analysis/comparison from DF in the most cases Top

But they are no Insiders i am sure they have no or weak sources

Mostly they catch rumors from forums like Gaf & Era... and then they making a Video about it!

I am Not a Nativ English speakers so forgive me

Nah, king thrasher embarrassed their ass for Gears 5. Also what an embarrassment dictator is claiming the grass in Dirt looked better for xbox when they clearly showed ps4. They already made up their minds which version is better. They will find a way next gen to make the xsx better in their VS.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Still nothing? Im just waiting on some confirmation. Even reading the constant crying and warring is getting old.

I just hope every "insider" thats wrong is banned and/or unvetted and completely disregarded in the future. Idk how clowns like tidux for example are still considered credible.

If you told everybody you were great in bed, but then were involved one day in a freak boating accident that cut off your Henry Winkler... does that make you a liar in the past, the present, or both?

Think about it...

 

[Deleted member 775630]

If you told everybody you were great in bed, but then were involved one day in a freak boating accident that cut off your Henry Winkler... does that make you a liar in the past, the present, or both?

Think about it...

Depends... If you would update your insider knowledge throughout the months it's ok, because then you can clearly show it followed the updates of devkits. If you say one thing, keep claiming it up until the reveal of the console and then it is a whole different number (for example going from 13.3 to 11.5), well then you can expect some backlash.

 

[SleepDoctor]

If you told everybody you were great in bed, but then were involved one day in a freak boating accident that cut of your Henry Winkler... does that make you a liar in the past, the present, or both?

Think about it...

In the present lol. I see what you're saying tho and I agree to an extent. Obviously things can change from one dev kit to the next.

Im mostly referring to people saying "8tf" and then we unveil at 12 - 13tf or vice versa. Hyping either side up with a massive failure "8tf" for ps5 or massive upgrade "12tf" and be way off. Obviously you can't expect everyone to be right on the money but if you're off like 3tf.......

 

[it_wasn't_me]

8TF for a portable version... too good to be true, but into my veins if yes.

That would be good

 

[GHG]

Does anything actually happen in this thread?

 

[Agnostic2020]

Depends... If you would update your insider knowledge throughout the months it's ok, because then you can clearly show it followed the updates of devkits. If you say one thing, keep claiming it up until the reveal of the console and then it is a whole different number (for example going from 13.3 to 11.5), well then you can expect some backlash.

13 to 11.5 is fine . Biggest problem is around 8tf camp bs around 12 tf camp . One side is wrong . 11.5 vs 12 is fine and so is 13 vs 12 .

they would be liars if the final ps5 is around 8 to 9TFinstead of around 12 tf

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Depends... If you would update your insider knowledge throughout the months it's ok, because then you can clearly show it followed the updates of devkits. If you say one thing, keep claiming it up until the reveal of the console and then it is a whole different number (for example going from 13.3 to 11.5), well then you can expect some backlash.

Well, things change, and as you know right now more than ever, things are not as straight forward as they usually are thanks to a pesky virus. A LOT of damage has been done, more than most will even think about, sadly.

That’s made the ground very slippery, because what insider X says could be totally different to what insider Y is saying, but they are both correct... from a certain point of view.

 

[Farrell55]

Nah, king thrasher embarrassed their ass for Gears 5. Also what an embarrassment dictator is claiming the grass in Dirt looked better for xbox when they clearly showed ps4. They already made up their minds which version is better. They will find a way next gen to make the xsx better in their VS.
[/QUOTE

I didnt know that

But the majority of their Face off's did ps4 win mostly on Resolution and better or more stable Framerate

I didnt know that

But the majority of their Face off's did ps4 win mostly on Resolution and better or more stable Framerate

 

[oxman2k]

Lets be honest xbox fanboy's want the PS5 at 9.2tf, Sony fanboy's want 13tf . If xbox fanboy's get what they want XSX has the most powerful console but the price,lack of games,lockhart,will hold it back and i don't think many developers will use the extra power. PS5 has the games will sell more but the lack of power will hold back true next gen experiences. If Sony fanboy's get what they want and the PS5 is more powerful than the XSX and both sell at the same price i don't give the XSX a chance. Best outcome is PS5 and XSX are similar in power and price everyone wins great first party games on both and no compromise multi plats on both.

 

[Captain Hero]

Does anything actually happen in this thread?

 

[Arlgrim]

Dont do that mate, just make a pastebin like all do.

 

[zubairali2]

Hey didn't Tommy say Sony bought Remedy?

 

[Agnostic2020]

Hey didn't Tommy say Sony bought Remedy?

I m sure they r doing a ps5 exclusive rather than buying remedy but if it goes well then maybe Sony will do it . At the moment non of remedy output broke the charts like insomniac so I would assume Sony is not in rush for now

 

[it_wasn't_me]

It's March 3rd!!!!
















Ah.....nothing

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Truth time, so this will hurt a few people.

- Anybody going for 8 or under 9 is a troll, and needs to take a long hard look at themselves for how stupid they sound.
- Anybody saying 9.x has a valid reason to do so, however, are basing this on old info and tests. If the ps5 is 9, you will be laughing because at least it will be dirt cheap.
- anybody saying 10, 11, 12 is pretty much in the sweet spot. The higher you go in that range, the better it will be for everybody. Spec and price are competitive enough to be a match, and the overall bom should be somewhat similar, with the exception of the ps5 always costing a bit more there theoretically due to a few top shelf parts that SX doesn’t have. For a higher bom but same losses and same price, the PS5 MUST be slightly lower in flops, but can still match in overall power (or even slightly exceeding the SX in some ways). Of course, all of that depends on if sony get a better or worse price for parts too.
- Anybody wishing for 13 is mostly just hoping for a win over SX. The peak you are looking at for a decent price range and good amount of heat at a decent power output is “around” 12. The further you push, the harder this will be to balance. You can’t just throw more at one area, say the memory, because you need the grunt in other areas to make use of it. And so once you go for this, you are pushing your luck big time.
- Anybody saying 14+ have no bloody clue how any of this works are you are in the same position as the idiots saying 8.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Well, things change, and as you know right now more than ever, things are not as straight forward as they usually are thanks to a pesky virus. A LOT of damage has been done, more than most will even think about, sadly.

That’s made the ground very slippery, because what insider X says could be totally different to what insider Y is saying, but they are both correct... from a certain point of view.

Why would the Corona virus have such a huge influence on the dev kits performance. I get that maybe both of them were pushing for 13TF, and eventually settled for less. What I don't believe is that with for example dev kit 3 you are at 13.3TF, and suddenly you drop all the way back to 11.5TF with dev kit 4.

What I do understand is that some people have older devkits due to corona and Sony not being able to properly distribute them quick enough which would explain the difference between insiders. It just doesn't make sense to me to have such huge gaps between one of the latest dev kit versions before final retail. Unless I'm mistaken and this is very common in console development to have such drops in performance.

 

[trancefreak64]

That slide doesn't say anything, it's the same kind of slide which came out before Navi itself and we didn't get the scope of advancements until its release.

You're well aware of this, why not act like it?

"While Su’s use of the word “refresh” would traditionally allude to a rather sensible performance uplift and tweaked feature set over today’s gaming graphics card lineup, AMD has told Tom’s Hardware it has a rather different meaning in investor circles. Reportedly RDNA 2 will represent a wholly updated graphics card lineup, beyond the iterative updates we’ve come to expect from the phrase."
A little more refined information that hits the noggin dead center from AMDs logical explanation of the term refreshed. March 5th hopefully validates RDNA2 availability in the foreseeable marketplace. Definitely Exciting times ahead for future technology for gaming indeed.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Why would the Corona virus have such a huge influence on the dev kits performance. I get that maybe both of them were pushing for 13TF, and eventually settled for less. What I don't believe is that with for example dev kit 3 you are at 13.3TF, and suddenly you drop all the way back to 11.5TF with dev kit 4.

What I do understand is that some people have older devkits due to corona and Sony not being able to properly distribute them quick enough which would explain the difference between insiders. It just doesn't make sense to me to have such huge gaps between one of the latest dev kit versions before final retail. Unless I'm mistaken and this is very common in console development to have such drops in performance.

Well dev kit 2 is 12.3 and dev kit 3 is 12.98 supposedly . None of them are 13.3 . 12.3 to 12.98 is not such huge jump man . Last year it was 10.3 (all based on rumors and such )

 

[Gavin Stevens]

@X-Fighter i wasn’t on about the performance, I was talking about actual plans that were taken for granted but are now up in the air in need of rethinking.

If you want to talk the hardware side then yes corona can have an impact there as well, as shutting down factories and having a limited output on parts can lead to a shortage of units for launch and even the possibility of a delayed launch until next year. You can even go further with this example if you want? The higher you push your chip the lower yields you will likely get amd as such may require more, which is less feasible at a time when production can be limited.

This thing is messing up a LOT of different areas. I even know for example of a game that is currently outsourcing its workload assets (quite common) but they have had to push the work back because nobody is available to work.

In places like China etc, this thing isn’t just a little sneeze, entire cities are ghost towns.

Its nuts.

 

[LiquidRex]

I

It's March 3rd!!!!
















Ah.....nothing

And under 5 hrs it will be the 4th in Japan

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Well dev kit 2 is 12.3 and dev kit 3 is 12.98 supposedly . None of them are 13.3 . 12.3 to 12.98 is not such huge jump man . Last year it was 10.3 (all based on rumors and such )

Hmm alright, I thought someone said it was 13.3 or even 13.6TF. Or was it BG that just said 13.3 as a random number but it didn't really mean anything?

Nonetheless going from 12.3 -> 12.98 doesn't really seem to be agreeing with O'dium's message where he said the performance was going down slightly due to heating issue. Or is that going from devkit 3 -> 4, for which we don't know specs yet?

 

[DrDamn]

Why would the Corona virus have such a huge influence on the dev kits performance. I get that maybe both of them were pushing for 13TF, and eventually settled for less. What I don't believe is that with for example dev kit 3 you are at 13.3TF, and suddenly you drop all the way back to 11.5TF with dev kit 4.

Possibly yields. By going for 13.3TF your yields are lower, so if supply is constrained by Corona you may drop the TF number a little to up yields and get more machines out for launch. It could be a choice between dropping TF and getting enough boxes out for end of 2020 or delaying until next year.

 

[hemo memo]

I

And under 5 hrs it will be the 4th in Japan

It’s like people are looking for things to be disappointed about.

 

[PaintTinJr]

The thing about Digital Foundry is that these guys are tech geeks, and i mean that in a nice way. They LOVE and LIVE technology, and they will often times go off on a ramble about what could happen, what will happen, and what will never happen. I find them to be the most accurate and honest of the bunch, myself.

Do they get excited when new tech drops? Yes. Yes they do. Because new tech excites them. I would be a bit worried if it didn’t and they didn’t act a bit fan girly.

The only reason they get labelled up as Xbox fanboys is because Rich dared to say one time he liked Xbox. It’s a hangable offence, you know. Then people saw the Xbox one x getting suddenly good analysis after years of ps4 coming out on top, and certain people put 2 and 2 together and got 9.

It’s their job to tell you not only the facts, but also the possibilities. Remember that, and use a little common sense.

Those guys are ok in my book. I’ve even chatted with D dark10x a little privately, he’s as cool a bloke as they come, and his retro stuff is top shelf.

I think if we just take them as they are now, they are definitely more grown up, more professional than they were at the peak of the 360 versus PS3 era – as they are truly responsible for the continued FUD that propagates the internet about the 360 being the more powerful console for gaming.

In DF’s defence, Microsoft courted DF, a bit like how Microsoft are currently courting NeoGaf, etc with the double Xbox One X power (12TF RDNA2) announcement, along with a console picture to stop us all going crazy. Sony just ignore everything until it is relevant to their specific business strategy. So we can’t really blame DF for being Pro Xbox and Pro Nvidia if it helps keep them in business; especially as Xbox gamers will likely have a bigger correlation with Dreamcast fans, and Richard has probably only just forgiven Playstation for destroying his true love back in the day, a new Shenmue happened because of Playstation.

 

[SaucyJack]

Yeah their agenda of constantly promoting Sony in the beginning of last generation when the PS4 was 40% more powerful and this was visible in games? Don't be ridiculous. They aren't biased just because they don't follow "insider" information and only hard data (Github). Also every video and article they constantly say that they aren't even sure the PS5 is only going to be 9TF.

You must be referring to a different Digital Foundry because the one affiliated to Eurogamer was constantly underplaying the differences between PS4 and XBO at the beginning of last gen.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Well dev kit 2 is 12.3 and dev kit 3 is 12.98 supposedly . None of them are 13.3 . 12.3 to 12.98 is not such huge jump man . Last year it was 10.3 (all based on rumors and such )

Yup. MS haven’t said what their TF count is exactly. It could be 12.1, 12.2 etc. They just said for simple marketing 12tf and at this range, 1tf is a fart in the wind, minimal gains, essentially the same thing.

Hmm alright, I thought someone said it was 13.3 or even 13.6TF. Or was it BG that just said 13.3 as a random number but it didn't really mean anything?

Nonetheless going from 12.3 -> 12.98 doesn't really seem to be agreeing with O'dium's message where he said the performance was going down slightly due to heating issue. Or is that going from devkit 3 -> 4, for which we don't know specs yet?

Your basing everything on terror floppies. That may be an important figure but it doesn’t mean it’s the ONLY important figure. Power isn’t a single number in a system.

I can’t speak for BGs or anybody else for that matter, sorry. I think at one point he was joking about 13.8 and people ran with it? But also, he’s a PSVR developer, and truth be told it would stand to reason that he may have access to a slightly higher clocked unit than a normal dev house, due to needing a bit more overhead for testing vr applications.

I just can’t say what others think or know, just what I do

 

[Jason28]

The only reason they get labelled up as Xbox fanboys is because Rich dared to say one time he liked Xbox.

I don't pretend to be objective, and i did not know that Rich said he liked Xbox, i have my own reasons to think they are xbox fanboys:
1. Before that trip to Microsoft (about xbone X ) they wrote it would be a shame if Ms would use the shitty jaguar cpu. Yet, atfer their trip, they ignored all their concerns and wrote only : most powerfull console, 4k, bla bla bla, tried to avoid the jaguar talk as much as they could.
2. They wrote that devs don't like the idea of 2 next-gen consoles (series S and X) and that the weakest model will be a pain in the ass and hold the next-gen back. Now, they say it's not a problem anymore.
3. They don't have any inside, they know nothing 100% about next-gen, yet they release articles with consle warrior titles like: 12 TF vs 9,2 TF , bla bla bla. You got plenty of rumours from credible people, yet they choose a rumour made by a noname from pastebin. You would expect something like this from a shitty blogger, not from ''objective'' tech guys.
4. All that Dictator talk remembers me of Eric Cartman: ''Wendy is a whore.... or maybe not '' lol. Subtle shitty comments, in other words.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

For it to be 8-9TF.. it means
BGs lied. Verified Insider.
Osirisblack lied. Verified insider
Tommyfisher lied. and he sent pics regarding the DS5.

I think we have been hearing so much lies snd propaganda from the Xbox side, it makes us doubt.

-Anaconda will outperform high end gaming pc's, will beat PS5. High performance built.
-Sony cant compete because they want to cater to masses with low $399 price.
-Klobrille and others say they had a document saying it's proof next Xbox will be more powerful, amounts to nothing.
-the clinging onto Phil's words that MS will never let go of the power crown.
-MS acquisition of studios is proof of how serious they are to win next gen.
-Github leak shows weaksauce PS5 Oberon GPU, strong Xbox GPUs. 12 TF vs 8TF. Github was stepped, so near final SoC for PS5.
-Sony are scared, not talking. Skipped E3 last year, and this year as proof.
-MS is confident thats why they gave out the 12TF number.

ETC.

All BS excuses, but we were fed this for a year plus. but I believe Osiris, BGs and Tommy.

Yes, those guys are the worse. They manage to be even worse than the nintentrolls aka the usual suspects when it comes to be the worse community. At this point, i wont get a XBOX. I don't want to have anything to do with those "adults" and their toys. To quote them: "they just have to accept it".